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Sightseek 04-28-2007 04:21 PM

Flying First Class
 
Doing what he should be doing!

Wins the Derby Trail by several.

my miss storm cat 04-28-2007 04:57 PM

Didn't see the race but what happened to Barkley Sound?

Cajungator26 04-28-2007 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Didn't see the race but what happened to Barkley Sound?

He broke down. :(

Does anyone know if they were able to save him?

miraja2 04-28-2007 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Doing what he should be doing!

Wins the Derby Trail by several.

The bad news for the colt is that his trainer probably viewed today's result as a reason to run the horse in the Preakness and Belmont.
He is that crazy.

Danzig 04-28-2007 06:05 PM

actually, he did say they are preakness bound.

miraja2 04-28-2007 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
actually, he did say they are preakness bound.

Of course he did. The Triple Crown makes this guy completely insane. Remember Going Wild? His decision to run that colt in the Preakness after he had already shown in both the Wood and the Derby that he wanted no part of going 9f or beyond was absolutely ridiculous.
If FFC runs poorly at Pimlico, will that stop Lukas from running him at 12f in the Belmont? I doubt it.
I don't know if it the owners or Lukas are making the call on sending him to Pimlico, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it is DWL's call. Why he can't see that this horse is a one-turn horse.....I'll never know. EVERYONE else on the planet can see it, but he can't.

dearheart54 04-28-2007 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
He broke down. :(

Does anyone know if they were able to save him?

According to DRF, he had to be euthanized :( So sad!

Cajungator26 04-28-2007 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dearheart54
According to DRF, he had to be euthanized :( So sad!

God, that's devastating. I really liked that horse... what a shame. :( He was one of a few that has Crozier left in his line...

Danzig 04-28-2007 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Of course he did. The Triple Crown makes this guy completely insane. Remember Going Wild? His decision to run that colt in the Preakness after he had already shown in both the Wood and the Derby that he wanted no part of going 9f or beyond was absolutely ridiculous.
If FFC runs poorly at Pimlico, will that stop Lukas from running him at 12f in the Belmont? I doubt it.
I don't know if it the owners or Lukas are making the call on sending him to Pimlico, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it is DWL's call. Why he can't see that this horse is a one-turn horse.....I'll never know. EVERYONE else on the planet can see it, but he can't.

everyone knows lukas' record in the the tc. i would guess he has been here enough times to know what he can, or can't get out of a horse. it's a shame that he is spotlighted for his glaring disappointments, rather than for those times he won, or came close. funny that now it's the going wilds who are mentioned, not the charismatics.

Sightseek 04-28-2007 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
everyone knows lukas' record in the the tc. i would guess he has been here enough times to know what he can, or can't get out of a horse. it's a shame that he is spotlighted for his glaring disappointments, rather than for those times he won, or came close. funny that now it's the going wilds who are mentioned, not the charismatics.

I don't think that is entirely true...how many times have you heard someone say you can't ignore lukas in a Stakes race? He does take a gamble with his horses though.

dearheart54 04-28-2007 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
God, that's devastating. I really liked that horse... what a shame. :( He was one of a few that has Crozier left in his line...

After doing some research on Crozier, yes, it is definitely a shame.

miraja2 04-28-2007 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
everyone knows lukas' record in the the tc. i would guess he has been here enough times to know what he can, or can't get out of a horse. it's a shame that he is spotlighted for his glaring disappointments, rather than for those times he won, or came close. funny that now it's the going wilds who are mentioned, not the charismatics.

No question that he had a ton of success in the 80s and 90s. Nobody could dispute that. But his decisions over the last five to seven years regarding who to push into these races or on to the Derby trail have been poor. I don't see how anybody could dispute that either.

miraja2 04-28-2007 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
God, that's devastating. I really liked that horse... what a shame. :( He was one of a few that has Crozier left in his line...

It is sad. He had a nice meet down in Tampa this winter in which he had those three straight victories, including a stakes win.
It makes me feel bad for Joan Scott and Pinebloom Stable.

GenuineRisk 04-28-2007 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
everyone knows lukas' record in the the tc. i would guess he has been here enough times to know what he can, or can't get out of a horse. it's a shame that he is spotlighted for his glaring disappointments, rather than for those times he won, or came close. funny that now it's the going wilds who are mentioned, not the charismatics.

I loved Charismatic. :)

Danzig, I agree, you can't take away what he accomplished the last two decades, but now he kind of reminds me of an aging "A list" movie star trying to still play the romantic lead roles. DWL doesn't have the stock he once did (for whatever reason; I don't know any of that kind of stuff) but I feel like he's so eager to still be there in the TC races that recently he puts in horses that don't have a chance to win because it's hard to let go of when he was the top of the game. My take on it, anyway. Lord knows I'm no psychologist, for which the psychology profession should be grateful.

Not, of course, that I'm thinking of any specific aging movie stars, of course.

How's filming on "Indiana Jones 4" coming, I wonder? ;)

dearheart54 04-28-2007 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
I loved Charismatic. :)

"SNIP"

Not, of course, that I'm thinking of any specific aging movie stars, of course.

How's filming on "Indiana Jones 4" coming, I wonder? ;)


Charismatic! Beautiful horse!


And Indiana Jones is supposed to start filming in June, and rumor has it Sean Connery will be in it as well. He looks a lot younger and more fit than Harrison Ford :)

GenuineRisk 04-28-2007 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dearheart54
Charismatic! Beautiful horse!


And Indiana Jones is supposed to start filming in June, and rumor has it Sean Connery will be in it as well. He looks a lot younger and more fit than Harrison Ford :)

Hee hee hee. I knew Harrison had started trying too hard when appeared on the cover of People with that brand spanking new earring in his (at the time) 50-year-old ear.

I was bummed when Charismatic was moved to Japan. Hope he does well at stud there. It's been what, two years?

dearheart54 04-28-2007 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
Hee hee hee. I knew Harrison had started trying too hard when appeared on the cover of People with that brand spanking new earring in his (at the time) 50-year-old ear.

I was bummed when Charismatic was moved to Japan. Hope he does well at stud there. It's been what, two years?


It must be that young chickie he's been hangin around with. You know, that skinny girl.... :)

Charismatic has been in Japan since 2002, according what I have read. Time for him to come home now.

Hickory Hill Hoff 04-28-2007 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
The bad news for the colt is that his trainer probably viewed today's result as a reason to run the horse in the Preakness and Belmont.
He is that crazy.

If this race was a week ago, he would be Derby bound.

miraja2 04-28-2007 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
If this race was a week ago, he would be Derby bound.

Well, not really because he has no graded stakes earnings.
If, however, the Derby Trial was graded, I am confident that DWL would run him back in the Derby a week later.

Hickory Hill Hoff 04-28-2007 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Well, not really because he has no graded stakes earnings.
If, however, the Derby Trial was graded, I am confident that DWL would run him back in the Derby a week later.

True...with the move he made in the Arkansas Derby, I thought for sure he'd hit the board... but then flatten out.
That with today's victory would have been enough...and he would be added speed to the race.


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