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2Hot4TV 03-24-2007 10:02 PM

Handcapping weight.
 
Between races today at Santa Anita some of the poeple in the paddock were arguing about weight making a differance.

When the horses walked pass us I said I really liked the #5 Turnbolt in this race.

My fellow handicapper said he looked heavy, alittle over weight to him.

I said I don't consider the weight when I handicap. :rolleyes:

Coach Pants 03-24-2007 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
Between races today at Santa Anita some of the poeple in the paddock were arguing about weight making a differance.

When the horses walked pass us I said I really liked the #5 Turnbolt in this race.

My fellow handicapper said he looked heavy, alittle over weight to him.

I said I don't consider the weight when I handicap. :rolleyes:

Well when i'm betting Hong Kong I always check the weight of the horse. It's a shame that information isn't readily available in basic pp's in the states.

paisjpq 03-24-2007 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Well when i'm betting Hong Kong I always check the weight of the horse. It's a shame that information isn't readily available in basic pp's in the states.

really? why?
a number on paper won't actually tell you anything about the horse. there is no ideal weight...it's not like supermodels where they all have to be a size 0.

I do agree about sometimes a horse looking heavy or soft...and that CAN make a difference because it is an indicator of fitness...but I don't see how weight is.

Coach Pants 03-24-2007 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
really? why?
a number on paper won't actually tell you anything about the horse. there is no ideal weight...it's not like supermodels where they all have to be a size 0.

Well whenever I get a cold or the shits I usually drop a few pounds and horses are no different. The listed weight of the horse just helps in figuring out if the horse is on top of his game or not.

Sightseek 03-24-2007 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
really? why?
a number on paper won't actually tell you anything about the horse. there is no ideal weight...it's not like supermodels where they all have to be a size 0.

But wouldn't most horses have an individual average weight that would be useful in knowing? Say the horse was coming into a race after a some-what hard campaign (ie. the Belmont following the Preak/Derby & a few preps) and was at a lesser weight..wouldn't it affect his performance?

paisjpq 03-24-2007 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Well whenever I get a cold or the shits I usually drop a few pounds and horses are no different. The listed weight of the horse just helps in figuring out if the horse is on top of his game or not.

I don't ever look at the pp's for HK do they list the weight at each start so you can chart change?

Coach Pants 03-24-2007 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
I don't ever look at the pp's for HK do they list the weight at each start so you can chart change?

They did the last time I played. That was last summer, however.

Sightseek 03-24-2007 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
really? why?
a number on paper won't actually tell you anything about the horse. there is no ideal weight...it's not like supermodels where they all have to be a size 0.

I do agree about sometimes a horse looking heavy or soft...and that CAN make a difference because it is an indicator of fitness...but I don't see how weight is.

Got ya, you added this part later. And so when a trainer says a horse didn't hold his weight, it was muscle mass he was losing.

paisjpq 03-24-2007 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
They did the last time I played. That was last summer, however.

ok...if they do that then I guess it might make some sense though I'm not sure I would find it useful.

paisjpq 03-24-2007 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Got ya, you added this part later. And so when a trainer says a horse didn't hold his weight, it was muscle mass he was losing.

the thing is that unless I was actually looking at the horse i wouldn't trust the number enough to know what it was telling me...if that makes any sense.


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