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Samarta 03-06-2007 06:53 AM

Hard Spun
 
Leaving Oaklawn for Ky.....now running in the Lane's End....reason is that he supposedly didn't like the surface at Oaklawn.

JDank34 03-06-2007 07:44 AM

wonder how he will like the poly?????? something about this move seems strange to me!!! what does everyone else think?

NTamm1215 03-06-2007 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by JDank34
wonder how he will like the poly?????? something about this move seems strange to me!!! what does everyone else think?

I agree it sounds strange to me too. What this move will show us is a small part of something that will have to be dealt with as long as we have a smattering of all-weather ovals and the same amount of conventional dirt tracks. I was very interested in seeing if it seemed like polytrack runners would fare better in the Breeders' Cup. Their performances as a whole were good, I think probably right around what you'd expect. Now you have the question to answer, if you are a trainer, about whether you want your horse to prep on the poly or not.

This move is questionable because over the last few years nothing goes into the Lane's End and nothing comes out. It is in a bad place on the calendar because if you still need one more prep then the Derby will be race #3 in six weeks.

NT

MisterB 03-06-2007 08:12 AM

Needs some spending money


saucon17 03-06-2007 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JDank34
wonder how he will like the poly?????? something about this move seems strange to me!!! what does everyone else think?

I think he has trained over and had 1 workout over the
tapeta surface at Fair Hill when he was stabled there
for a little while

jpops757 03-06-2007 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I agree it sounds strange to me too. What this move will show us is a small part of something that will have to be dealt with as long as we have a smattering of all-weather ovals and the same amount of conventional dirt tracks. I was very interested in seeing if it seemed like polytrack runners would fare better in the Breeders' Cup. Their performances as a whole were good, I think probably right around what you'd expect. Now you have the question to answer, if you are a trainer, about whether you want your horse to prep on the poly or not.

This move is questionable because over the last few years nothing goes into the Lane's End and nothing comes out. It is in a bad place on the calendar because if you still need one more prep then the Derby will be race #3 in six weeks.

NT

How many of the derby contenders use the hollywood surface to train on while prepping for the dirt preps at SA? The one thing you keep hearing about the cushion ,is how kind it is to the horses.

declansharbor 03-06-2007 12:18 PM

I really believe that they are trying to save face here..They didnt complain when he had a few nice works over the Oaklawn surface..He lost because he wasnt used to racing other horses with early speed, and obviously didnt like the dirt being kicked up in his mug...As a big fan of this colt, I hope to see him as a miler, not a classic distance horse...there he would be able to use his tactical speed out of the gate.

MisterB 03-06-2007 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor
there he would be able to use his tactical speed out of the gate.

He should have used it last time.

declansharbor 03-06-2007 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterB
He should have used it last time.

Tell me about it.. I know he was told to do so, but Pino has to be replaced..

MisterB 03-06-2007 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor
Tell me about it.. I know he was told to do so, but Pino has to be replaced..

The story goes, Pino was told to rate the horse, however, he got off a step slow, and Pino just did what the boss told him to do. I don't buy the story, He didn't like the track, he work great on it. So, I toos the race as aclunker, and maybe someone learned, the horse has speed, use it to your advantage.

slotdirt 03-14-2007 04:39 PM

Hard Spun worked another bullet this morning. Who knows what that means.

POINTGIVEN1985 03-14-2007 04:47 PM

it means that everyone needs to stop looking so far into this thing and realize maybe he just dident handle the track. i think this horse will be fine

point given 03-14-2007 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I agree it sounds strange to me too. What this move will show us is a small part of something that will have to be dealt with as long as we have a smattering of all-weather ovals and the same amount of conventional dirt tracks. I was very interested in seeing if it seemed like polytrack runners would fare better in the Breeders' Cup. Their performances as a whole were good, I think probably right around what you'd expect. Now you have the question to answer, if you are a trainer, about whether you want your horse to prep on the poly or not.

This move is questionable because over the last few years nothing goes into the Lane's End and nothing comes out. It is in a bad place on the calendar because if you still need one more prep then the Derby will be race #3 in six weeks.

NT

The Keeneland Lexington ? oops, i was thinking of pre poly keeneland , not kind now to early speed. Maybe the horse is one of those that peaked early and the others caught up now.

POINTGIVEN1985 03-14-2007 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by point given
The Keeneland Lexington ? oops, i was thinking of pre poly keeneland , not kind now to early speed. Maybe the horse is one of those that peaked early and the others caught up now.

because of one bad race, he peaked early and others have cought up? he was definitly overated at one point he was 3-3 but had beat no one in those races, but to say he has peaked already, i think this horse will be ok

slotdirt 03-14-2007 05:27 PM

He worked on the poly at Turfway as well. I agree that he should be fine. They need to pick their spots carefully in order to get the requisite earnings.

Danzig 03-14-2007 05:36 PM

one shouldn't jump on a horse due to one good race, or off due to a bad one. besides, those who jump on are too late--those who bail might live to regret it the next time the horse runs....

slotdirt 03-15-2007 07:15 AM

Hey, I've never been completely off the Hard Spun bandwagon! Who doesn't love Philly?

GPK 03-15-2007 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
Hey, I've never been completely off the Hard Spun bandwagon! Who doesn't love Philly?


John, the better question is who does??:D

Then again, I loved Smarty, Rockport Harbour, et al. But more of a John Servis fan than anything else.

saucon17 03-15-2007 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK
John, the better question is who does??:D

Then again, I loved Smarty, Rockport Harbour, et al. But more of a John Servis fan than anything else.

Don't know if you saw it, but here is an article on DRF about Servis.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/82963.html

slotdirt 03-21-2007 01:45 PM

What is it with Hard Spun getting crappy posts in Derby preps?


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