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Kasept 05-03-2019 07:21 AM

Smith gets call on Cutting Humor
 
In a shameful maneuver, Starlight will pay the fee to Corey Lanerie to put Mike Smith on Cutting Humor.

senator L 05-03-2019 08:05 AM

Bad Karma for sure. Feel bad for Corey but I'm glad he gets the 180k

Alabama Stakes 05-03-2019 08:20 AM

Whose call was that, boss ? Owner or trainer ? Did Smith lobby for it ? Doesn’t seem like his style .

blackthroatedwind 05-03-2019 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1125502)
In a shameful maneuver, Starlight will pay the fee to Corey Lanerie to put Mike Smith on Cutting Humor.

Shameful for who? Certainly not Starlight, as they have to pay double, and hardly "owe" Corey more than that. Maybe Mike? He did win the TC last year and has had plenty of time in the spotlight. I mean, he did opt off a horse for the trainer of that TC winner to ride the one he thought had a better chance this year. Nothing wrong with that, but worth pointing out.

It's a business. Lukas always had this one right. Loyalty goes both ways, and sadly, there isn't a lot in this business by either side. As long as both acknowledge this, and don't just whine when it suits them, it's fine.

Konk 05-03-2019 09:15 AM

It certainly is a business, and there is no requirement for any businessman to have any class.

And this one sure doesn't.

Snidely Whiplash was also a businessman.
And Ebenezer SCrooge.
Hey, Henry Ford fired on his striking workers.

Hope he pays double and gets nothing back.

jms62 05-03-2019 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1125510)
Shameful for who? Certainly not Starlight, as they have to pay double, and hardly "owe" Corey more than that. Maybe Mike? He did win the TC last year and has had plenty of time in the spotlight. I mean, he did opt off a horse for the trainer of that TC winner to ride the one he thought had a better chance this year. Nothing wrong with that, but worth pointing out.

It's a business. Lukas always had this one right. Loyalty goes both ways, and sadly, there isn't a lot in this business by either side. As long as both acknowledge this, and don't just whine when it suits them, it's fine.

It seems like Mike wasn't first man up for Baffert youngsters this year. I hardly blame him for going with what horse gave him the best chance.

moses 05-03-2019 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1125517)
It seems like Mike wasn't first man up for Baffert youngsters this year. I hardly blame him for going with what horse gave him the best chance.

Idk. Baffert said Roadster was his top horse early on and that’s who Smith landed on.

jms62 05-03-2019 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1125520)
Idk. Baffert said Roadster was his top horse early on and that’s who Smith landed on.

Maybe it's my memory but I recall in prior years Baffert didn't spread it out as much and Smith was on multiples.. I very well could be wrong.

blackthroatedwind 05-03-2019 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1125517)
It seems like Mike wasn't first man up for Baffert youngsters this year. I hardly blame him for going with what horse gave him the best chance.

Who does?

freddymo 05-03-2019 10:06 AM

having a freeroll for 180,000 with Mike Smith up works for me. It's not like Lanier has a history with the colt.

moses 05-03-2019 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1125521)
Maybe it's my memory but I recall in prior years Baffert didn't spread it out as much and Smith was on multiples.. I very well could be wrong.

Trying to recall...Baffert had 2 legit derby horses in 2015 and Smith wasn’t on either. I don’t recall if Smith rode any Baffert horses that didn’t make the derby.

jms62 05-03-2019 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1125525)
Who does?

It was a statement not an insinuation.

blackthroatedwind 05-03-2019 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1125533)
It was a statement not an insinuation.

Then why was it following a quote of my post? I'm confused.

jms62 05-03-2019 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1125551)
Then why was it following a quote of my post? I'm confused.

It was a general statement and I quoted your post since it was on the topic. That is all.

ninetoone 05-03-2019 02:32 PM

If the horse doesn't finish in the money, or in the mix (which is likely), the move will be questioned even more. Of course, that won't be known until after the race. Obviously they think Smith moves the horse up a certain number of lengths.

If the horse wins, especially if it's close, it will look like a good move and the people with hurt feelings will be like Paul George saying Damian Lillard's shot was a "bad shot". It wasn't a bad shot after it went in....

blackthroatedwind 05-03-2019 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone (Post 1125559)
If the horse doesn't finish in the money, or in the mix (which is likely), the move will be questioned even more. Of course, that won't be known until after the race. Obviously they think Smith moves the horse up a certain number of lengths.

If the horse wins, especially if it's close, it will look like a good move and the people with hurt feelings will be like Paul George saying Damian Lillard's shot was a "bad shot". It wasn't a bad shot after it went in....

I will guess it will be long forgotten at 7:30 ET Saturday night.

moses 05-03-2019 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone (Post 1125559)
If the horse doesn't finish in the money, or in the mix (which is likely), the move will be questioned even more. Of course, that won't be known until after the race. Obviously they think Smith moves the horse up a certain number of lengths.

If the horse wins, especially if it's close, it will look like a good move and the people with hurt feelings will be like Paul George saying Damian Lillard's shot was a "bad shot". It wasn't a bad shot after it went in....

As a bettor, I like it. Cutting Humor looks like a sprinter to me. Just with the way he runs. Hopefully Smith can attract some money to him and push up the odds on some other horses that I like.

philcski 05-03-2019 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1125502)
In a shameful maneuver, Starlight will pay the fee to Corey Lanerie to put Mike Smith on Cutting Humor.

I agree, kind of bull. Corey WAS the leading rider at CD last year, it’s not like he’s some noname.

TheSpyder 05-03-2019 08:03 PM

Fee
 
Steve,

when you say fee, how does that work?

Thx
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1125502)
In a shameful maneuver, Starlight will pay the fee to Corey Lanerie to put Mike Smith on Cutting Humor.


moses 05-06-2019 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1125587)
I will guess it will be long forgotten at 7:30 ET Saturday night.

I’m laughing that this was the big controversy leading up to the race. “Long forgotten” is an understatement.


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