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Calzone Lord 02-19-2013 10:48 PM

Horses to follow next time out for 2013
 
* Brians Fancy ( http://www1.drf.com/displayVideo.do?...=D&country=USA )

Brians Fancy, normally a forwardly placed horse and one without any prior history of gate problems, as you can see in the link above, he propped at the start of the 7th race at FG on Jan 21st.

We've seen much adieu about horses blowing the break by several lengths and winning ... however, that normally happens in meltdown races (+20's or more) where blowing the break can actually be an advantage.

This race was a -13 and Brians Fancy had no chance and was caught wide the entire way around the turn to boot.


* Iron Joe T ( http://www1.drf.com/displayVideo.do?...=D&country=USA and http://www1.drf.com/displayVideo.do?...=D&country=USA )

Was involved in a breakaway pace war on Jan 20th at Golden Gate. That race was an unbelievable +46, so he was a great 6th that day.

In one of the more extreme cases of over-compensation you'll ever see, he was taken extremely wide and wrangled back to dead last in a MUCH slower paced route race next time out. He rallied to be in a photo for 2nd at 7.9/1 odds, he would have won with any kind of rational trip that day.

Calzone Lord 02-20-2013 01:27 AM

A few layoff horses I've been waiting on before getting into this years work...

* Prophet's Song: Ran a sneaky awesome race last time out -- was in a vicious head-to-head speed duel through very fast fractions in a race that was a +29. Dueled with a horse who ultimately finished last beaten 20 lengths at 6/1 odds. Was outside in that duel and about 3 wide on the turn as well.

Especially dangerous on the cut-back in distance. She will destroy any speed horse that dares go with her early.


* Skattle Seattle - was last seen getting assassinated in a breakaway duel in a race that was a +46. Big look next time out, either on the cutback or in a spot where no one will test him for the early lead.


* Dawn's Charm: Rocketship maiden win! Last time out she helped meltdown the Beholder race. MUST cut-back! This will be a disaster if they continue to try and stretch her out, she's just way too fast.


* Oil Rig: Got a very bizarre ride last time out. Broke slow and was absolutely gunned to the outside of a total run-off horse to engage in a wicked duel. This one eventually stopped and finished dead last. Will improve a lot with a more rational ride. The race was good for the class level and as long as he stays with Kobiskie.


* Niederzel: Got absolutely no pace help at all and won with one of those wide power moves that Zenyatta would pull off against junk in these type of race shapes.

Very impressive win at 4/1 odds to make a wide power move into the teeth of very slow fractions.


* Mykukubird - Sneaky huge performance last time out. Won a head-to-head breakaway speed duel with a 7/2 shot eventual 11th place finisher in a brutally fast paced race. Was still going very well after 5.5 furlongs and hit a wall in deep stretch. Huge look on the cutback, especially if it is a race with less pace. Was hard urged early so may not need a real big cutback.

* Hope Restored - Ran a sneaky excellent race when best of a WILD 3-way breakaway dueling group that had more than 10 lengths on the horse who was racing in 4th early. Huge look on the cut-back.


* Mentor Cane - Completely ludicrous move stretching him out last time out. Ran off with his mouth open and posted crazy fractions. Must obviously cutback to sprints.

geeker2 02-20-2013 07:10 PM

Horse name Which Market
Notes troubled trip
Activity type Entry
Activity date 02-23-2013
Track Gulfstream Park
Surface Turf
Distance 1 Mile
Race number 8
Purse $57,500
Claim price $62,500
Individual claim price Not Entered for Tag
Race type Allowance Optional Claiming
Post position 5
Jockey Velazquez J R
Race entry http://www.drf.com/race-entries/GP/USA/2013-02-23/D/8


LORD - I would be interested in your view of this horses last effort. I thought he had all sorts of trouble.

Calzone Lord 02-21-2013 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 916616)
LORD - I would be interested in your view of this horses last effort. I thought he had all sorts of trouble.

Are you talking about the Jan 12th race?

He was a little wide, but had a pretty clear trip.

He can certainly win that race Saturday, he's got the numbers, but I don't see much trouble last time.

geeker2 02-21-2013 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 916641)
Are you talking about the Jan 12th race?

He was a little wide, but had a pretty clear trip.

He can certainly win that race Saturday, he's got the numbers, but I don't see much trouble last time.

Yes that race and thanks for your view of it. I kind of thought he got blocked in mid stretch.

pweizer 02-21-2013 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 916569)
* Brians Fancy ( http://www1.drf.com/displayVideo.do?...=D&country=USA )

Brians Fancy, normally a forwardly placed horse and one without any prior history of gate problems, as you can see in the link above, he propped at the start of the 7th race at FG on Jan 21st.

We've seen much adieu about horses blowing the break by several lengths and winning ... however, that normally happens in meltdown races (+20's or more) where blowing the break can actually be an advantage.

This race was a -13 and Brians Fancy had no chance and was caught wide the entire way around the turn to boot.


Brian's Fancy came back to run tonight at Delta Downs. He opened up 9-5 off of a 10-1 morning line. He went off at 5-1, was forwardly placed, but never made the lead and came up empty to finish 4th.

The race was won by the favorite but it was a strung out field.

Paul

pweizer 02-22-2013 09:26 AM

Let me offer a horse from my watch list entered today at Aqueduct.

Tancredi (# 5, 5/2) is entered Aqueduct on Friday, February 22nd, 2013 in Race 7.

YOUR NOTES: was behind the wire to wire winner on a speed favoring scenario last out and behind another wire to wire winner two back as well. Encountered significant trouble in last.

Doug--thoughts on this one?

Paul

Calzone Lord 02-22-2013 10:45 AM

I certainly don't disagree with anything you said. He's in a very paceless spot today.

Might even find himself on the early lead.

tabs 02-22-2013 02:15 PM

3 minutes to post and Tancredi is 8/5 - bit of an underlay I think :)

Maybe too much money reading these posts!

I'll play the "Money Only" at 3-1

gl

Calzone Lord 02-22-2013 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pweizer (Post 916776)
Let me offer a horse from my watch list entered today at Aqueduct.

Tancredi (# 5, 5/2) is entered Aqueduct on Friday, February 22nd, 2013 in Race 7.

YOUR NOTES: was behind the wire to wire winner on a speed favoring scenario last out and behind another wire to wire winner two back as well. Encountered significant trouble in last.

Doug--thoughts on this one?

Paul


Nice Job Paul.

The 7/2 looks good on Iron Joe T here at Santa Anita.

There's no pace at all in this race, either. If the connections are smart, they let him go to the lead.

Calzone Lord 02-22-2013 03:03 PM

Fu_ck Yeah, Iron Joe T. got up for the win at 4/1!

I told Jeff Bonde on Twitter the other day to send him to the lead!

pweizer 02-22-2013 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 916841)
Fu_ck Yeah, Iron Joe T. got up for the win at 4/1!

I told Jeff Bonde on Twitter the other day to send him to the lead!

Excellent call. He had a good race dynamic following four speed horses but was wide throughout and at least five wide on the far turn. And a great price to boot.

Paul

Vegaskid 02-22-2013 05:28 PM

Great call on Iron Joe T (Calzone Lord) and Tancredi (pweizer)!!!

:$::D:$:

NTamm1215 02-24-2013 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 916570)


* Dawn's Charm: Rocketship maiden win! Last time out she helped meltdown the Beholder race. MUST cut-back! This will be a disaster if they continue to try and stretch her out, she's just way too fast.

You're absolutely right. Unfortunately, she's going in the Las Virgenes next week against Beholder.

letswastemoney 04-07-2013 10:27 PM

Mykukubird is entered on Friday at Hawthorne, but there is some other speed in the race.

Still a good play?

Calzone Lord 04-09-2013 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 922790)
Mykukubird is entered on Friday at Hawthorne, but there is some other speed in the race.

Still a good play?

The 4 month layoff is a concern ... and I'd like her a lot better if she can avoid a speed duel with Annie's Showtime ... but yeah, 20/1 morning line odds look very generous.

pweizer 04-13-2013 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 922960)
The 4 month layoff is a concern ... and I'd like her a lot better if she can avoid a speed duel with Annie's Showtime ... but yeah, 20/1 morning line odds look very generous.

Pounded late to 6/5 but got no pressure and cruised to a six length win.

Another Doug Special. Well played.

Paul

Calzone Lord 04-13-2013 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pweizer (Post 923495)
Pounded late to 6/5 but got no pressure and cruised to a six length win.

Another Doug Special. Well played.

Paul

Thanks. Scratched from the Friday race into an easier spot today.

Calzone Lord 04-13-2013 05:24 PM

So far, 4 of them have run back and 2 of them have won their next start.

Obviously, I can fully understand why someone gave this thread just a 2-star rating.

The first winner only paid $10 and todays winner was just 6/5 even though he win by a huge margin.

Niederzel goes tomorrow at Keeneland to try and make it 3-for-5 next out.

pweizer 04-13-2013 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 923555)
So far, 4 of them have run back and 2 of them have won their next start.

Obviously, I can fully understand why someone gave this thread just a 2-star rating.

The first winner only paid $10 and todays winner was just 6/5 even though he win by a huge margin.

Niederzel goes tomorrow at Keeneland to try and make it 3-for-5 next out.

He was 3-1 with zero minutes to post so someone pounded him late.

Did you also notice in the Blue Grass that the 1 went from 15-1 to 9-1 in the last flash?

You bring some steam my friend...

Paul


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