Derby Trail/Triple Crown Notebook
 

9/7/13 Iroquois 1 1/16M - CD: Cleburne 69 (10)
9/28/13 FrontRunner 1 1/16M - SA: Bond Holder 78 (10)

10/5/13 Breeders' Futurity 1 1/16M - KEE: We Miss Artie 70 (10)
10/5/13 Champagne 1M - BEL: Havana 93 (10)
10/6/13 Grey 1 1/16M (S) - WO: Ami's Holiday 80 (10)

11/2/13 BC Juvenile 1 1/16M - SA: New Year's Day 88 (10)
11/23/13 Delta Downs Jackpot 1 1/16M - DeD: Rise Up 88 (10)
11/30/13 Remsen 1 1/8M - AQU: Honor Code 88 (10)
11/30/13 Kentucky Jockey Club 1 1/16M - CD: Tapiture 83 (10)

1/4/14 Jerome 1m 70 yds - AQU: Noble Moon 85 (10)
1/11/14 Sham 1M - SA: Midnight Hawk 95 (10)
1/18/14 Lecomte 1m 70 yds - FG: Vicar's in Trouble 97 (10)
1/20/14 Smarty Jones 1M - OP: Tanzanite Cat 83 (10)
1/25/14 Holy Bull 1 1/16M - GP: Cairo Prince 95 (10)

2/1/14 Withers 1 1/16M - AQU: Samraat 94 (10)
2/8/14 Robert B. Lewis 1 1/16M - SA: Candy Boy 96 (10)
2/15/14 El Camino Real Derby 1 1/8M (S) - GG: Tamarando 91 (10)
2/17/14 Southwest 1 1/16M - OP: Tapiture 98 (10)
2/22/14 Risen Star 1 1/16M - FG: Intense Holiday 97 (50)
2/22/14 Fountain of Youth 1 1/16M - GP: Wildcat Red 101 (50)

3/1/14 Gotham 1 1/16M - AQU: Samraat 97 (50)
3/8/14 Tampa Bay Derby 1 1/16M - TAM: Ring Weekend 94 (50)
3/8/14 San Felipe 1 1/16M - SA: California Chrome 107 (50)
3/15/14 Rebel 1 1/16M - OP: Hoppertunity 100 (50)
3/22/13 Spiral 1 1/8M (S) - TP: We Miss Artie 85 (50)
3/23/14 Sunland Derby 1 1/8M - SUN: Chitu 102 (50)
3/29/14 UAE Derby 1 3/16M (S) - MEY: Toast of New York -- (100)
3/29/14 Florida Derby 1 1/8M - GP: Constitution 99 (100)
3/29/14 Louisiana Derby 1 1/8M - FG: Vicar's in Trouble 97 (100)

4/5/14 Wood Memorial 1 1/8M - AQU: Wicked Strong 104 (100)
4/5/14 Santa Anita Derby 1 1/8M - SA: California Chrome 107 (100)
4/5/14 Calder Derby 1 1/8M - CRC: Our Caravan 88 (N/A)
4/12/14 Blue Grass 1 1/8M (S) - KEE: Dance With Fate 97 (100)
4/12/14 Arkansas Derby 1 1/8M - OP: Danza 102 (100)
4/19/14 Illinois Derby 1 1/8M - HAW: Dynamic Impact 102 (N/A)
4/19/14 Lexington 1 1/16M (S) - KEE: Mr Speaker 90 (10)

5/3/14 Kentucky Derby 1 1/4M - CD: California Chrome 97
5/10/14 Peter Pan 1 1/8M - BEL: Tonalist 101
5/17/14 Preakness 1 3/16M - PIM: California Chrome 105
6/7/14 Belmont Stakes 1 1/2M - BEL: Tonalist 100

Kentucky Derby Points Standings -- Updated 4/12

1 California Chrome Art Sherman 150 $782,250
2 Vicar's in Trouble Mike Maker 120 $760,000
3 Dance With Fate Peter Eurton 108 $600,000
4 Wicked Strong James Jerkens 102 $640,000
5 Samraat Rick Violette Jr. 100 $650,500
6 Danza Todd Pletcher 100 $620,000
7 Constitution Todd Pletcher 100 $600,000
8 Hoppertunity Bob Baffert 95 $576,000
9 Intense Holiday Todd Pletcher 93 $527,500
10 Wildcat Red Jose Garrofalo 90 $665,500

11 We Miss Artie Todd Pletcher 60 $544,000
12 Ride on Curlin Billy Gowan 55 $354,387
13 Chitu Bob Baffert 54 $440,000
14 Tapiture Steve Asmussen 52 $470,378
15 Midnight Hawk Bob Baffert 52 $320,500
16 Ring Weekend H. Graham Motion 50 $260,000
17 General a Rod Mike Maker 40 $240,000
18 Medal Count Dale Romans 40 $226,500
19 Candy Boy John Sadler 30 $380,000
20 Cairo Prince Kiaran McLaughlin 24 $520,000
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21 Uncle Sigh Gary Contessa 24 $180,000
22 Vinceremos Todd Pletcher 20 $191,666
23 Harry's Holiday Mike Maker 20 $152,622
24 Commanding Curve Dallas Stewart 20 $140,000
25 Pablo Del Monte Wesley Ward 20 $102,000
26 Bayern Bob Baffert 20 $100,000
27 Social Inclusion Manny Azpurua 20 $100,000
28 Big Bazinga Katerina Vassilieva 14 $92,149
29 Coastline Mark Casse 13 $131,346
30 Strong Mandate D. Wayne Lukas 11 $479,166

31 In Trouble Tony Dutrow 10 $190,000
32 Noble Moon Leah Gyarmati 10 $149,000
33 Cleburne Dale Romans 10 $127,044
34 Commissioner Todd Pletcher 10 $110,667
35 Schiverelli Eddie Kenneally 10 $50,000
36 Conquest Titan Mark Casse 9 $210,945
38 Casiguapo Mario Morales 5 $272,717
39 Asserting Bear Reade Baker 5 $33,099

Sidelined/Inactive/No Longer Under Derby Consideration/Not Triple Crown Nominated: Toast of New York (100, $1,200,000), Asmar (40, $557,500), Emirates Flyer-GB ($381,691), Havana (14, $660,000), Harry's Holiday (20, $150,596), Honor Code (14, 300,000), Bond Holder (11, $333,000), New Year's Day (10, $1,100,000),Ami's Holiday (10, $136,145), Tanzanite Cat (10, $111,000), Top Billing (10, $40,000), Surfing USA (10, $35,000), Dance with Fate (8, $150,000), Rebranded (5,), Financial Mogul (5, $95,000), Smarty's Echo (4, $82,000), Walt (4, $45,857), Laddie Boy (4, $45,599), Go Greeley (2, $220,601), Enterprising (2, $138,000), Roman Unbridled (2, $113,000), Rankhasprivileges (2, $100,250), Ontology (2, $77,250), Artic Slope (2, $42,252), Gold Hawk (2, $38,000), Awesome Sky (2, $16,819), Can the Man (1, $111,000), Diamond Bachelor (1, $96,770), Rum Point (1,$30,250), Almost Famous (1, $28,579), Puppy Manners (1, $18,000), Son of a Preacher (1, $11,500), Buck Magic (1, $8,410), and I'll Wrap it Up (1, $6,000).

That would be a pretty insane Rebel.

Steve,

I totally get that your lists so far are very fluid, tentative, subject to change, etc- but if its really the Risen Star pt 2 in the Louisiana Derby, I think more than a few trainers are gonna call an audible and ship in to that prep

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...g-for-kentucky

Dance With Fate to Bluegrass

Lotta big names better hit the board in there preps

Not sure how bad Indianapolis' situation is, but he hasn't had a official workout since 2/5. Running out of time if they want to stretch him out and see what they have.

As of last weekend Wynn Las Vegas had the over/under minimum point total to get in the Derby at 20-1/2

It was 10 last year...whats different about this year?

darley bought majority interest in cairo prince, announced today.

Since there's no thread started for the Battaglia Memorial today at Turfway, there's a lot of horses that have potential to move forward via this race. Like a lot of the ALW winners that have been entered in the Southwest and Risen Star should've been entered in here as a litmus test before trying a major prep. Seems like a good test race for a lot of these to see if they go for a major prep later this month/next month.

The one that sticks out to me the most is Poker Player. Catalano has kept him mainly on turf, but with that breeding, I think he could really do damage going long on dirt.

What has been the typical pattern for the derby winner? Two preps in the current year followed by derby? Maybe I'm just losing it but it sure seems like alot of the bigger names are way behind

Bond holder out of the Tampa bay...colt can't catch a break at this point

I'm sure I missed it...What happened with Indianapolis?

Sunk in the Pacific.

:tro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9S41Kplsbs

Great scene.

It makes me almost want to watch the movie, which I've never seen.

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports...ender/5607231/

not much info out there. this was a recent article, but based on probable entries in the races they were pointing him to, the cold was a bigger setback than anticipated.


oh, just found this:


Baffert said his undefeated San Pedro Stakes winner Indianapolis had a setback and was sick after the race, so he backed off on his training. He's just been jogging, and Baffert said he's made no plans yet and is not going to rush him.



Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz2v6qDGTmA

PROBABLE & POINTS NEWS:

1. Rebel field morphing with 10-12 ultimately expected by Pat Pope..
   
2. Points Standings Updated (See Above)..

3/15/14 Rebel 1 1/16M - OP:

Tapiture (Asmussen)
Strong Mandate (Lukas)
Kobe's Back (Sadler)
Ride On Curlin (Gowan)
Bourbonize (Gorder)
Street Strategy (Morse)
Tanzanite Cat (Autrey)
Sheltowee's Boy (B. Cox)
Ami's Holiday (Carroll)

Steve

Do you know where Rise Up is heading?

thanks

LA Derby is only mention Amoss has made, but nothing appears firm.

Thank you, just looking for points for Winstar Derby Fanatasy, don't think he wants distance,

how'd that work out for you?

and i have to say, i can't remember the last time someone rejoiced at a horses injury because of a fantasy contest.

came in 2nd, moved from 18th to 11th, thanks

Hah.

You'd have loved some of the convos Calzone and I had during the TVG fantasy contests in which we had like 7 of the top 10 stables.

Umm, not sure what to tell you on that one. Do you think that fantasy owners don't wish for opposing QBs to be hurt as well?

i think it's sad that people hope or cheer for real injuries for their fake league competition. hoping for a win or a loss is one thing, having smiley faces because a horse suffers an injury....i just don't see it being something to post smiley faces about.

On Tuesday Rise Up works a bullet five furlongs in 1:00, with Blinkers and is pointing to Louisiana Derby

Shared Belief OFF the Derby Trail officially per Blood Horse:

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ky-derby-trail

that's too bad. hope the foot gets better. it can turn into such a bad thing so quickly.

Hollendorfer, from the bloodhorse article:

"I never had the horse on the Derby trail anyway; the media had him on the Derby trail," Hollendorfer said. "When me and my owners discussed this, way back when we got the horse, we never were concerned about getting to the Derby anyway."

So how dumb to the people feel who bet on this horse that last few Kentucky Derby future pools? I thought Churchill consulted with trainers while compiling their list to make sure that they at least were considering going down the derby trail.
It's fine if they have over 250 horses on the list like they do at Wynn, but when they narrow it down to 23, you should at least feel that the horse's connections hope to make the derby, even if it is obviously foolish to play a horse that has been on the sidelines for so long.

I wouldn't put hollendorfer in charge of hr or customer service if you know what I mean

LOL

While I agree that he should not have been put on the last pool, you have to know any time a horse has a miss-step trying to get to the Derby, that is a sign not to bet in the future bet. Its hard enough getting there when things go smooth.

that's why they call it gambling, rather than winning.

Most houses wouldn't take a bet on a team they know isn't even playing. I agree with Lemon Crush - there are tons of horses they could have put in his stead if this was well known, rather than sucker bettors.

but it wasn't well known til now. he might say the horse was never on the derby trail, but i think he was-until he wasn't.
all the horses are a crap shoot. we've seen how many now get scratched the day before the race, or the morning of?

as for teams, you can bet before the season starts on who you think wins the series. no one knows ahead of time who will be in the post season.
anyone following racing knew he had a foot issue. if they chose to bet him anyway, that's on them.

I get all that. But including Shared Belief as an individual entry amongst their 23 betting interests in the last pool may have led some to believe that Churchill received good information that the connections had the best intentions to go the Derby. I didn't bet him, so I don't really care. Just think it was a little disingenuous including him as an individual entry. He should have been included in the "all others".

CDI doesn't care, they only care about handle, so they can get their cut. Look at all the tracks that don't do anything about the perception of past posting. Whether it happens or not, the perception is there and they don't care as long as they get their percentage of the handle. The more the better, even if it's after the bell.

BAFFERT: Jay Privman reports that Chitu (M. Smith) confirmed for Sunland Derby as well as Midnight Hawk (M. Garcia) who must have bounced out of the San Felipe fresh like daisy..