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eurobounce 01-17-2007 08:40 PM

Who would you want as President
 
Right now who would you want as President from the following

1 - Geroge W Bush
2 - Jimmy Carter
3 - Harry Truman
4 - Woodrow Wilson

Seattleallstar 01-17-2007 09:10 PM

Jimmy Carter!

somerfrost 01-17-2007 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
Jimmy Carter!


Absolutely no question, the last great President...Harry Truman!

brianwspencer 01-17-2007 11:26 PM

I would say, without thinking about it a whole lot -- Truman.

KirisClown 01-18-2007 12:39 AM

Id have trouble picking 1 or 2 to be a White House janitor...


Harry Truman for president without doubt...

Byebyemermaid 01-18-2007 06:23 AM

Harry Truman in a romp.

randallscott35 01-18-2007 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Right now who would you want as President from the following

1 - Geroge W Bush
2 - Jimmy Carter
3 - Harry Truman
4 - Woodrow Wilson

Why would you put the other 3 with Truman to begin with? Like putting Tim Teufel in the Hall of Fame. No sense.

randallscott35 01-18-2007 07:25 AM

Top 5 Presidents

1. Lincoln
2. Washington
3. FDR
4. Jefferson
5. T- Roos

eurobounce 01-18-2007 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Why would you put the other 3 with Truman to begin with? Like putting Tim Teufel in the Hall of Fame. No sense.

Cause Truman decided to drop "the bomb." Be real curious to know what he would do with the war in Iraq.

eurobounce 01-18-2007 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Top 5 Presidents

1. Lincoln
2. Washington
3. FDR
4. Jefferson
5. T- Roos

I do not like FDR. He gets way more credit than he deserves. He knew about Pearl Harbor. He knew that was the only way he could get the American people on board to join WWII. Also, we are still paying for his "big gov't" philosophy. In addition, the man married his cousin.

Danzig 01-18-2007 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
I do not like FDR. He gets way more credit than he deserves. He knew about Pearl Harbor. He knew that was the only way he could get the American people on board to join WWII. Also, we are still paying for his "big gov't" philosophy. In addition, the man married his cousin.

that's ridiculous. the only war really going on at that point was in europe. japan blindsided us, and then germany declared war to support japan against us. i'd imagine hitler bargained japan would keep us busy in the pacific, but FDR agreed with churchill to focus much of our forces on europe, as hitler was considered the bigger threat...


and of the four, i suppose truman. second choice would be wilson.

and randall, flip flop washington and lincoln. people forget how fragile our brand new 'united' states was in those early days.

eurobounce 01-18-2007 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
that's ridiculous. the only war really going on at that point was in europe. japan blindsided us, and then germany declared war to support japan against us. i'd imagine hitler bargained japan would keep us busy in the pacific, but FDR agreed with churchill to focus much of our forces on europe, as hitler was considered the bigger threat...


and of the four, i suppose truman. second choice would be wilson.

and randall, flip flop washington and lincoln. people forget how fragile our brand new 'united' states was in those early days.

No it is not ridiculous. You mean to tell me that Japan can move their navy within miles from Hawaii without FDR knowing? Come on.....it is widely accepted by WWII historians that FDR knew about the attack on Peral Harbor. What he didn't know was when. FDR was struggling to pull the US out of the depression. He also wanted the US to play more of a global role than being an isolationist country (which is what we were up until WWII). You have to remember that the US was neutral up until WWII.

eurobounce 01-18-2007 08:34 AM

What is neat about Washington is that he was tall. I believe he was like 6'1. Back then that was very tall. Washington was the brightest of man, but he physical stature was very respected and that is one of the reasons why they selected him as President. But I agree, he should be #1.

randallscott35 01-18-2007 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Cause Truman decided to drop "the bomb." Be real curious to know what he would do with the war in Iraq.

Actually the way I wrote it came out wrong. I would take Truman over the others you have listed....The other 3 were not what I would consider great presidents.

randallscott35 01-18-2007 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
I do not like FDR. He gets way more credit than he deserves. He knew about Pearl Harbor. He knew that was the only way he could get the American people on board to join WWII. Also, we are still paying for his "big gov't" philosophy. In addition, the man married his cousin.

To each his own, I don't know where you get the Pearl Harbor info b/c its wrong.

eurobounce 01-18-2007 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
To each his own, I don't know where you get the Pearl Harbor info b/c its wrong.

You can get that information in any WWII history book. Or get it in any conspiracy book, or in any FDR biography.

And if you want a source, read Churchill's "The Grand Alliance." This series on WWII actually won a Nobel Peace Prize.

Sightseek 01-18-2007 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
You can get that information in any WWII history book. Or get it in any conspiracy book, or in any FDR biography.

LOL!!!! A conspiracy book? Great way to back yourself up.

eurobounce 01-18-2007 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
LOL!!!! A conspiracy book? Great way to back yourself up.

Consirpacy books are some of the best books about what really happened. But it is up to the reader to decide what is real and what isn't. It is hard to ignore when FDR's "friend" admits that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor .

Sightseek 01-18-2007 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Consirpacy books are some of the best books about what really happened. But it is up to the reader to decide what is real and what isn't. It is hard to ignore when FDR's "friend" admits that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor .

Please scroll to "Disillusionment" :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

and "rumors":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor

eurobounce 01-18-2007 09:06 AM

Sightseek, I understand all this and FDR was not responsible for Pearl Harbor. I am saying HE KNEW about it. In addition, Dewey was going to actually talk about how FDR knew about the attack when he was running for President. But, the Military persuaded Dewey not to talk about the "code breaking" abilities of the US Military.

Here is an excerpt from a great book called "Day of Deceit."

According to Stinnett, the answers to the mysteries of Pearl Harbor can be found in the extraordinary number of documents he was able to attain through Freedom of Information Act requests. Cable after cable of decryptions, scores of military messages that America was intercepting, clearly showed that Japanese ships were preparing for war and heading straight for Hawaii.

Danzig 01-18-2007 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
No it is not ridiculous. You mean to tell me that Japan can move their navy within miles from Hawaii without FDR knowing? Come on.....it is widely accepted by WWII historians that FDR knew about the attack on Peral Harbor. What he didn't know was when. FDR was struggling to pull the US out of the depression. He also wanted the US to play more of a global role than being an isolationist country (which is what we were up until WWII). You have to remember that the US was neutral up until WWII.

i disagree that this is widely accepted. i know there has been some who suggested there is more to the pearl harbor story, just like some believe oswald didn't act alone.

there were those who believed we should pander to hitler (charles lindbergh leaps to mind) as well as those who were isolationists. but how letting japan attack was going to send us to europe, i don't know.....
the u.s. wasn't necessarily neutral, not with our lend-lease program. we hadn't achieved superpower status, that came with the war.
but in all my readings about the war, and all the shows i've seen on history and discovery, i have not seen anything that tells me FDR allowed us to be hit like that and not be prepared.

after all, if he knew--we wouldn't have gotten our navy destroyed, we'd have been ready for this attack. japan would still have been the bad guy--and we still would have had people in an uproar that they tried to attack.

as for japan moving their navy without us knowing--you are aware how old radar is, and what it really came into wide use? you also know how huge the pacific ocean is....not hard to imagine them moving that close.

Danzig 01-18-2007 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
What is neat about Washington is that he was tall. I believe he was like 6'1. Back then that was very tall. Washington was the brightest of man, but he physical stature was very respected and that is one of the reasons why they selected him as President. But I agree, he should be #1.

i have read several books about washington, as well as the other founding fathers. amazing we had so many right men for the job, they were all around when we needed them most. he was imposing-and very standoffish. matter of fact, a man was dared to go up to washington at a social gathering and pat him on the back when he said hello. he said the look he got made him very, VERY sorry for doing so! lol it's funny how many places you can visit up and down the east coast and see signs saying 'washington slept here'.

GenuineRisk 01-18-2007 10:41 AM

Of course, Truman's approval ratings were in the toilet at more than one point, and he had his own scandals to deal with. History has been kinder to him than his contemporaries were. I like Truman (LOVED McCullough's biography of him), but it's interesting how history shapes things.

Famous Truman quote, on the firing of McArthur: "I fired him because he wouldn't respect the authority of the President. I didn't fire him because he was a dumb son of a bitch, although he was, but that's not against the law for generals. If it was, half to three-quarters of them would be in jail."

Man did not pull punches, which got him in trouble a lot.

In fact, here's a link to a TIME article from 1973, full of Truman quotes:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...romoid=googlep

Danzig 01-18-2007 10:42 AM

lol
pols were a different breed back then--but then, so were the generals! patton especially. we need someone like him now! he might not have been p.c., but we need strength now, not p.c.

post2post 01-18-2007 01:13 PM

of the 4 listed Truman.....

timmgirvan 01-18-2007 01:20 PM

Doesn't much matter who's at the helm when we have a gutless Congress that has to have polls run to arrive at an "original" thought!

Cajungator26 01-18-2007 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Doesn't much matter who's at the helm when we have a gutless Congress that has to have polls run to arrive at an "original" thought!

I agree, Timm...

Since all politicians are considered liars, maybe Nick Saban should run. HAHA! :D


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