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The_Guy_Smiley 01-03-2007 03:24 PM

The Mad Genius: Mike Dickinson at it again
 
From the Bloodhorse Chat transcript:

Las Vegas, NE
Other than synthetic tracks, what other changes
would you recommend to make horse racing safer?

Dickinson: I would like to see the starting gate replaced
by the Standardbreds type moving truck. The starting gate
can be scary for horse and rider, and we’ve all witnessed
some horrific scenes when the horse is upside down.

Even if the horse is standing correctly, there is always a risk
for even further injury when he pushes off with so much power
from a standing start. It is dangerous to stifles and the injuries
are not uncommon due to force needed in a starting gate.


The drawback in this plan would be the loss of jobs for the gate crew
who, along with the farriers, are the unsung heroes of racing.
The gate crews are brave, skillful, and compassionate --
and I would hate to see any of them without a well paid job.
Two is to abolish anabolic steroids and three is the change the whip rules.


What do you think?

TRANSCRIPT
http://www.bloodhorse.com/talkinhorses/MD120706.asp

kentuckyrosesinmay 01-03-2007 03:27 PM

Definitely agree with number two. They should be abolished from racing, except for those cases where horses absolutely need them for issues other than enhancing their performance potential.

Gander 01-03-2007 03:28 PM

Not sure about the logic of keeping a starting gate that is currently used now around just to keep the gate crew gainfully employed. Thats sort of like saying that cigarettes are a good thing because the tobacco industry employs thousands of people.

If these things are that dangerous to horse's well being than it needs to be improved or removed. I'm all for gainful employment but at the expense of horse's lives?

eurobounce 01-03-2007 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Definitely agree with number two. They should be abolished from racing, except for those cases where horses absolutely need them for issues other than enhancing their performance potential.

I like all 3. I dont like the starting gate at all.

kentuckyrosesinmay 01-03-2007 03:33 PM

I don't like the starting gate either, but thoroughbred racehorses who gallop are not like Standardbred pacers and trotters. I don't like his idea of using a running start either.

Gander 01-03-2007 03:36 PM

It would be hysterical to watch. Can you imagine a horse like Proud Tower Too breaking from a running start :eek:

Listen to the Mad Scientist. He will never steer you wrong.

kentuckyrosesinmay 01-03-2007 03:37 PM

He feeds his horses eggs. Enough said.

kentuckyrosesinmay 01-03-2007 03:38 PM

Actually, I feed my horses jell-o as a remedy for sore soles, so I can't really talk. I do agree with him feeding his horses beer though, but I wouldn't feed them eggs because they are an animal by-product.

eurobounce 01-03-2007 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I don't like the starting gate either, but thoroughbred racehorses who gallop are not like Standardbred pacers and trotters. I don't like his idea of using a running start either.

I dont think they should start like Standardbreds. Maybe if the starting gate was somehow safer then I would be for it.

KirisClown 01-03-2007 03:44 PM

He should be embarrassed for that starting gate comment....

I wonder when Cetewayo will be back racing again....

dr. fager 01-03-2007 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Actually, I feed my horses jell-o as a remedy for sore soles, so I can't really talk. I do agree with him feeding his horses beer though, but I wouldn't feed them eggs because they are an animal by-product.

that's very interesting....I assume it's the gelatin.

but...
The production of gelatin starts with the boiling of bones, skins, and hides of cows and pigs, a process that releases the protein-rich collagen from animal tissues. The collagen is boiled and filtered numerous times, dried, and ground to a powder. Because the collagen is processed extensively, the final product is not categorized as a meat or animal product by the federal government. Very strict vegetarians avoid gelatin entirely, but more permissive vegetarians have no problem including JELL-O in their diets.

slotdirt 01-03-2007 03:55 PM

It would be sweet if they did it like they do with hurdles, same as how they did it before starting gates. Just mill the horses about, then BOOM, some sap raises a flag and awwway they go!

eurobounce 01-03-2007 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr. fager
that's very interesting....I assume it's the gelatin.

but...
The production of gelatin starts with the boiling of bones, skins, and hides of cows and pigs, a process that releases the protein-rich collagen from animal tissues. The collagen is boiled and filtered numerous times, dried, and ground to a powder. Because the collagen is processed extensively, the final product is not categorized as a meat or animal product by the federal government. Very strict vegetarians avoid gelatin entirely, but more permissive vegetarians have no problem including JELL-O in their diets.

My wife is a vegetariian and she avoids gellatin.

blackthroatedwind 01-03-2007 04:18 PM

Dickinson is the emporer's new clothes personified. He doesn't even run his horses.

Yawn.

kentuckyrosesinmay 01-03-2007 04:20 PM

Eggs are a direct animal by product. I have no problem when people feed their horses indirect by products such as jell-o, Calf Manna, and others.

Eggs also contain an enormous amount of protein, which I meet the protein requirements just fine by feeding my horses the correct legume/grass hay, processed grain, and supplements made for horses.

We also feed our youngsters Calf Manna, which is a by product of cow's milk. However, we have to be extremely careful when feeding that because it can cause epiphysitis in growing bones.

That is correct. Gelatin works superbly for sore soles.

JJP 01-03-2007 04:23 PM

Why all the hatin' on the starting gate? Does anybody really want to see a running start ala harness racing? LEAVE THINGS AS THEY ARE and tell Dickinson to put down the crack pipe.

Cajungator26 01-03-2007 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Actually, I feed my horses jell-o as a remedy for sore soles, so I can't really talk. I do agree with him feeding his horses beer though, but I wouldn't feed them eggs because they are an animal by-product.

We had a gelding that loved cheeseburgers. LOL :D

I know it's wrong... but hey, he liked them. :eek:

kentuckyrosesinmay 01-03-2007 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eurobounce
I dont think they should start like Standardbreds. Maybe if the starting gate was somehow safer then I would be for it.

I've never been near or in a starting gate, although I figure that the ones at the major tracks have plenty of padding in them.

You're right though. I hate it when a horse rears or flips in the starting gate.

I have a question: Why is it that the fillies always seem to be worse than the colts in the starting gates? I work around youngsters all of the time and have never figured that out. I will admit that fillies always tend to be more sensitive than the colts though. Perhaps fillies are just more tempermental overall.

Cajungator26 01-03-2007 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I've never been near or in a starting gate, although I figure that the ones at the major tracks have plenty of padding in them.

Why is it that the fillies always seem to be worse than the colts in the starting gates?

You're right though. I hate it when a horse rears or flips in the starting gate.

Us bitches don't like to be crowded... give us some room! HAHA :D

PeteMugg 01-03-2007 04:37 PM

I'll give ya room ... can I still carry a whip?

Cajungator26 01-03-2007 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteMugg
I'll give ya room ... can I still carry a whip?

Shall I comment? Hmmm...

Bring the cuffs too! :cool:

PeteMugg 01-03-2007 04:55 PM

What a sport you are Cajun. But I think you're just pumped because the big game is almost upon us. You're gonna be hard to deal with win or lose, aren't ya?

paisjpq 01-03-2007 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajungator26
We had a gelding that loved cheeseburgers. LOL :D

I know it's wrong... but hey, he liked them. :eek:

I had one that loved chicken salad...and chocolate covered cherries:D
he was great...he used to "dance" for treat...Crackers 'danced' by rearing and then kicking with both hind over and over...it was hysterical:p

Cajungator26 01-03-2007 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteMugg
What a sport you are Cajun. But I think you're just pumped because the big game is almost upon us. You're gonna be hard to deal with win or lose, aren't ya?

LOL... hell yeah. I can hardly wait... 5PM came early here! :o

Cajungator26 01-03-2007 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paisjpq
I had one that loved chicken salad...and chocolate covered cherries:D
he was great...he used to "dance" for treat...Crackers 'danced' by rearing and then kicking with both hind over and over...it was hysterical:p

That's awesome! :D The guy that taught me to ride ended up being the head trainer at Arabian Nights here in the Orlando area, and he had a few arabs that did tricks like that. I think it's the coolest thing to see a 1,000lb animal doing stuff like that! LOL

paisjpq 01-03-2007 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajungator26
That's awesome! :D The guy that taught me to ride ended up being the head trainer at Arabian Nights here in the Orlando area, and he had a few arabs that did tricks like that. I think it's the coolest thing to see a 1,000lb animal doing stuff like that! LOL

no one actually taught this horse to do it...he was just a ham, and once he started doing it he figured out he could get a reward..then we just added the cue and voila...a trick...

but he was always a nut...he got the name crackers because he broke someones jaw:o

randallscott35 01-03-2007 05:07 PM

Beth,

I will do tricks for chicken salad as well.

paisjpq 01-03-2007 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35
Beth,

I will do tricks for chicken salad as well.

I know you do but I think you should just stay home and stay safe LMAO:D :D

randallscott35 01-03-2007 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paisjpq
I know you do but I think you should just stay home and stay safe LMAO:D :D


I have Chicken Salad roughly 3 times a week for lunch. Great deli near me.

I will be wearing three pairs of pants when I go out Beth, don't worry.

Cajungator26 01-03-2007 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35
I have Chicken Salad roughly 3 times a week for lunch. Great deli near me.

I will be wearing three pairs of pants when I go out Beth, don't worry.

Does tequila make YOUR clothes fall off too? :eek: :D

randallscott35 01-03-2007 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Does tequila make YOUR clothes fall off too? :eek: :D

Only drink Patron. A true tequilla snob....no comment on the clothes.

paisjpq 01-03-2007 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I will be wearing three pairs of pants when I go out Beth, don't worry.

:D :D killin me

Cajungator26 01-03-2007 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35
Only drink Patron. A true tequilla snob....no comment on the clothes.

Yeah, if I get drunk enough to the point where I'm drinking tequila AT ALL, it's a bad thing... we'll just leave it at that.

AeWingnut 01-03-2007 07:34 PM

feed
 
The neighbor's horse would do figure 8s whenever I came out with apples. The poor thing foundered and had to be put down. The mare acts like she could care less what I do. If I got apples she shows up. If I don't she don't. Doesn't like to be petted or scratched.. Just likes to eat. I don't know why I bother but she let me know which way my dog ran off to (she didn't actually tell me I just figured it out by watching her watch my dog) so... I giver her apples. Granny Smiths are her favorite.

Are those peppermints you get at Farm -n- Fleet ok for horses?

paisjpq 01-03-2007 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
The neighbor's horse would do figure 8s whenever I came out with apples. The poor thing foundered and had to be put down. The mare acts like she could care less what I do. If I got apples she shows up. If I don't she don't. Doesn't like to be petted or scratched.. Just likes to eat. I don't know why I bother but she let me know which way my dog ran off to (she didn't actually tell me I just figured it out by watching her watch my dog) so... I giver her apples. Granny Smiths are her favorite.

Are those peppermints you get at Farm -n- Fleet ok for horses?

sometimes the fact that they love you for whatever you feed them has to be enough I guess;)

mints are good as long as you don't feed a ton of them...just like candy for yourself, not the best everday. my horse loves candy canes...I always buy a bunch after x-mas when they are trying to get rid of them and put them in the freezer for later

AeWingnut 01-03-2007 07:47 PM

I don't think she likes me at all. Just the food

paisjpq 01-03-2007 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AeWingnut
I don't think she likes me at all. Just the food

like having a cat then I guess.

Cajungator26 01-03-2007 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paisjpq
like having a cat then I guess.

Amen to that, Beth.

Danzig 01-03-2007 09:37 PM

i tire of the mad genius moniker....seriously. it makes me retch when i see it anymore.


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