Good Lord another pletcher freak
 

Geez, I just cant believe it. Pletcher has the best 4 two yeard olds I have seen so far this year. Check out Quay in the 2nd at CD. You won't believe it.

Who are the best looking two year olds (pletcher or otherwise) you have seen so far this year? I've been slacking off on my two year old watch so far....

last 1/16th in 6 flat and last 3/16 in less than 17 or thereabouts. WIth that pedigree(Thunder Gulch) the sky is the limit on distance. So thats Minefield, Out of Gwenda, Scat Daddy and now this one. Hes got every stakes race for 2yo's this summer on teh East Coast locked up already. Tyro, sapling, the three at the Spa, put his name on the trophies now and save time, then all you have to do si fill in the horses name. This is an embarrassment of riches.

Let's see how Asmussens turn out. You also have east coast tunnel vision.

1) Quay, I know the bran supposedly says scat Daddy is the best, but you have to look at the way this horse took off after he finally switched leads very late in the race and waht he went the last 3/16th's in. Absolutely terrifying and with that pedigree hes gonna go as far as they want.
2) Scat Daddy toyed with his small field in his debut.
3) Minefield was incredibly good in his debut.
4) Out Of Gwenda ran an incredible number in his debut.

All are trained by Pletcher. I havent seen anyone else who I would take at 20-1 odds against any of these. unbelievable.

Lemme tell you what, I'll put my vision up gansit anyone's. You call ragozin and ask him what the top 4 figs are for 2Yo's this year, and i gurantee its these 4 horses. They are all incredible. The one today was frightening. Thats the kind of debut that gets people plotting a derby course in June of his 2yo year. Thast how good he was. WHy don't you watch teh replay and crunch the numbers and get back to me on that one with a mea culpa.

It's way too early to say that Pletcher has all the East Coast juvenile races locked up - the best bred ones haven't even run yet and may not for another couple of months. Who is Minefield?

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Very, very impressive. At most, it was a mild drive. Straight as an arrow down the lane.

It is June. How many times did Bernardini race before last June? Who cares what happens until October at the earliest. If you are talking KY Derby in June of the 2yr old year, you have zero credibility.

did someone say..

can you catch the green monkey ?

MY MAN!!! At long last someone who actually watches races reappears. I didn't bet the race, but I swear whenhe switched leads and took off like that I got goosebumps. One of the top 5 debuts I have seen in my life.

One thing I'll say about Pletcher, he can keep them going and winning stakes into their 3yo or 4yo years. More Than Ready won very early at 2 and won stakes at 3, Limehouse won at 2 and was winning stakes at 4. If anyone keeps them going, it's Pletcher.

Maybe one of these guys or girls will end his 0 for 51 in triple crown races come May 2007. Hes overdue. Ahhh, all the 3/5 shots will be blooming at Saratoga in 5 weeks.

Well he usually has a few 2yr olds, doesn't he. ;)

Are you going to tell me that if you're the owner or trainer of a horse that debuts in June in such convincing fashion as this one, that you will not even let the idea of the KD enter your mind until October? Believe me they're dreaming about it so there's no harm in speculating.

I believe those two won the 2yo Stakes race on the KY Derby Undercard. You are right he does have a ton, but those were 2 examples of horses that he kept in training at a high level.

I dream about it now and I don't even own a horse

Dream all you want but these 2yr olds that start this early never win the derby. Young horses are pressed way too early not to mention these are 5.5F races. Horses that win these races usually have excellent speed but that doesn't necessarily win at the 10F distance.

Tim Scav gave bad info, its 0-23. Not 51.

The guy has 1 horse that costs more than most trainers top 2yr olds combined. The problem with racing horses this soon is that they are running distances that are completely useless in putting any foundation in a horse. What good does a 5F race do a horse. You might as well just breeze them 5F and let them come around for the fall.

I didn't bet the race either. Watching, I was thinking how good the Lucas colt was running. Next instant, Quay put 5-6 quick lengths on him.

How people bet on 3/5 shot two year olds is a question I still haven't figured out.

I would guess that they put em in a race to see how they well they run with other horses. You can't always judge a horse by how they breeze. I would personally wait until later before debuting them, but I'm not the trainer.

I think the 51 came from how many horses he has ran, I think the 23 is from how many races he has been in...Not sure, will research

Grening and DRF said 21 before the belmont and quite frankly that sounds more realistic. hes only been training cince 1995 on his own and didnt start any in the Tri Crown races until 1997 I think. Many of those were horses that were very long prices that owners like Dogwood insisted he run.

Lemme know when you find it Scav, I don't really know which it is. I know what grening wrote in the DRf but whose to say hes right either?

Nah, he'll break his maiden against a dismal field, be declared the best of all time, then incur a phantom injury and it will be decided he is worth too much as a stud to race.

Stud that was flat out scary. I couldnt believe what i saw, and that was no "speed pop" by a wickedly fast 2yo. Mom hitthe board in stakes at a mile and an eight and we all know what dad did. He was just starting to roll near the wire and he was geared down. Look at the replay and watch him after he switched leads, WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And this is the charter member of the dont get excited about summer two year olds speaking. I'm usually the guy talking like Bolddruler is now, you know how impressive he had to be to get me to get that awed?

ok, if he started his first horse in the triple crown in 97, that would be 10 TC's since. thus 30 races. That is what the 0-23 is. So he has tried to win the a triple crown race 23 times, with 51 horses. The 0-51 is the amount of chances he has had. That one year he had four horses in the Derby, followed by three the next or something, that is where the 51 came from.....

Bet you get a great price (6-5 if lucky) on him in the Sanford, because you know that is where he is going.

I may be wrong but I don't think anyone WAS talking about the KY Derby. Oracle was talking about how these horses were going to do in the 2yo stakes races, not how they would do at 3.

I think it was his "Thats the kind of debut that gets people plotting a derby course in June of his 2yo year. Thast how good he was." that went a little overboard. I am sure plenty of people start thinking derby right after their 2yr old wins, but most derby horses aren't coming out of June races.

Ok I got ya, I was thinking in terms of number of races hes tried in. I was doing the math in my head and since he was only training since 95 I knew that had to be impossible.

I don't think it's wise to race 2 year olds early and often.

I don't think anyone does. People want some return on their money though and most rush these horses along.

Yeah I know, he looked really unprepared for todays effort.

Grenig was right. Before the Belmont he had started a total number of 49 horses in 20 triple crown races. Now its 51 in 21 races.

We all know he'll have at least 10 wins by the time hes 50. Its all about strength in numbers.

I'm not real keen on racing horses at 2, but ifyour horse is ready, you may as well strike while the irons hot.

Lets talk when it counts next year. Let's see how he holds up.

If he is lucky he will have 2 wins by 50.