Lets put a group together and bid....
 

Lets get a group of people together and we can bid on the New York Tracks. I for one will be glad to the see the current ownership gone. They were nothing but crooks. It is going to be hard to compete with Frank and Churchill. But whoever gets it, I hope they make New York racing better than what is currently is.

Those crooks are gone and the Stronach people will take over soon enough. It is about time too. These guys have had more second chances than should be allowed.

You think Frank will be awarded the bid? I think it will be the group from Churchill.

I will go with Stronach but either would be fine with me.

i think i'll pass, i don't want to wake up and find a dead horses head in my bed, lol ala, GF.

these are people who will not let this go without a fight.

That was funny. I wouldnt want to mess with them either.

Would you let a corrupt cash cow go easily? NYRA is semi-legit organized crime.

Do you all make ill-informed and ignorant comments in life or is it just with the anonymity of the internet that you spew garbage like this?

Magna? They pretty much disqualified themselves from contention when Frank Stronach opened his mouth at the first hearing that was held in Saratoga about four months ago when he announced his plans to turn Saratoga Racecourse into a year round entertainment center. The political uproar that resulted from this eliminated him from the running and set a blueprint for what not to say for every other potential bidder.

When you make comments like " NYRA is semi-legit organized crime " what exactly are you referring to?

cut it out ....


you know damn well what he is referring to.

life is not a politically correct color by numbers game.

grow up and deal with reality

Things have changed since Bill Clinton's friends may be putting up some of the money with Stronach. As for NYRA, that is a great track record or corruption they have going there.

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/rep...yra_report.pdf

Cut it out? What does that mean? Are you suggesting I should stop infusing facts into a discussion and continue to allow people to make incorrect and offensive remarks without questioning them?

Perhaps if you researched the situation before irresponsibly commenting on it I wouldn't have to question your remarks.

Once again....what is meant by that remark about NYRA?

Andy he is a member of a "cult" in which the leader is associated with Empire racing. I tried to argue with him but got tired of it after a while. I'd love to watch you dismember him in this argument if you have the energy.

Read this and then tell me how great nyra is. Dismember me? That is hilarious. Almost as hilarious as the NYRA corruption report that came out. Nice to know they love to rip off the betters and owners.

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/rep...yra_report.pdf

Because Bill Clinton has a relationship with Belinda Stronach is not going to help the cash poor Magna get the franchise. They have already stated they can't afford to bid for the slots. The simple fact is they are less than a non-contendor.

How, by the way, anyone could want Magna to further their racing interests after the debacle at Gulfstream is beyond me.

Gulfstream is going to be great once we get rid of the corrupt Bush in the state house and his loser religious right friends who are holding up slots. South Florida will soon be the new Vegas. Clinton's friends are actually not just going to back Stronach, they are investing cash in the business.

Empire? They couldn't even raise the $3 Million they claimed they needed for their initial operating budget. Please.

Nothing like a group claiming to represent horsemen that also plans to take in excess of 20% of any profits directly out of racing. Who would fall for that?

Yeah I know, its been really tiresome watching NYRA the "evil empire" charging people 2 and 3 dollars to get into saratoga Race Course while their counterparts charge 150 to get into the DERby or 40 dolars to sit in a carrel with no view of the track at Gulf. What awful guys they are huh?
Oh and evil NYRA instituted a detention barn to attempt to stop raceday cheating, while none of their counterparst have followed suit.
NYRA has consistently provided the highest quality of year round racing of anyone on the planet. This while doing it under a not for profit status and not gouging fans when they walk in the door.
No horseman or betors have been cheated out of money they deserve even one time. Gee what a horrible group huh?

Lots of folks apparently. Empire sounds like a great group!!! All those fine minds!! ALl that leadership!!! Board members!!! Now all they have to is raise a billion dollars. Sounds good to me.

Why charge more than $2-3 when you are going to rip them off at the window and on the scales. NYRA needed a detention barn because drugs were so out of control. No horseman or gamblers have ever been cheated? Read the NYRA report I attached. It is basically run by organized crime.

See what I mean? NYRA is not run by organized crime. The indivuals like Charlie Heyward, Bill Nader, Steve Duncker, and the recently deceased Peter Karches are/were honorable men with high degress of intelligence and integrity. Believe any propaganda you want. Whatever. What time is the book burning today?

Rip them off at the windows? That's quite a distortion of the facts. NYRA has more than competitive take-out rates and the only reason they raised WPS 1% recently was in order to be able to institute a rebate program. While this program is not agressive it is certainly better than any Magna is offering. You know Magna....the group with a higher takeout than NYRA.

As for the incident you refer to concerning weights or the " scales ". There is no evidence of any wongdoing, and an analysis of the data from the state has many discrepencies, such as riders they claimed were riding that were not even there on the days claimed, and also fails to recognize the rules and legal weights both before and after races. The charges were so scurrilous that a grand juror charged Spitzer with grandstanding.

As for claiming horsemen and gamblers have been cheated. When and where? When you make outlandish claims it helps to offer some back-up.

I guess the attorney general just made up stuff. NYRA is the money laundering capital of america. Nice to know drug dealers and thieves have such good friends in NYRA.

Are you too lazy to read the report from the Attorney Generals office that I attached. Plenty in there about what they did.

Very easy, if you dont like the way NYRA runs things, dont bet their tracks. Nobody is forcing you to I am sure. Why even bother?

Im in. I will throw in a few G's, thats about all I have :cool:

The NYRA is about as corrupt as you can get. The reason they want to be a "not for profit organization" is because they wont have to answer to anyone. Horse Racing is a business and it shouldnt be run by a group that is not for profit. Plus as a not for profit they do not have to pay taxes. No way should the NYRA be not for profit. That is a JOKE.

Stronach has all the money in the world to buy the New York Tracks. His MEC isnt doing all that well because they keep taking one time charges that hurt their bottom line. Just read the MEC end of year report from 2005 and it explains all that.

Churchill only charges $2 to get in the doors with the exception of Derby and Oaks day. You can get in on Derby day for $40. Travers is costs $25 to get it. So only $15 more for the biggest horse race in the world. That is not a bad deal at all.

Churchill also doesnt need a detention barn because of their new drug policy. So a detention barn is pointless in Kentucky.

I have read far more about this situation than you, I know far more people involved in this situation than you, and I know enough not to make outlandish and libelous claims such as you have.

Back whichever dog you like in this fight but don't expect to make irresponsible accusations here without getting a response.

NYRA takes out 6% more than Churchill when it comes to exotic bets. I believe, and please correct me if I am wrong, but NYRA takes out 25% on exotics and Churchill takes out I believe 19%.

NYRA is " not for profit " as per the statute set by the State.

Try to learn at least one fact.

AMEN. Non-profit=Scam. Let's stop putting the Travers in the same category at the derby too. The derby is so far superior to the travers it isn't even funny.

wrong and wrong, depends on teh exotic bet you are speaking of, all have different takeouts. I'm done here. I notice the guys who dontattend Ny racing and live in other states have the most "knowledge" on the topic. I just cant take levels of stupidity like I am witnessinig on this thread. Later guys, Im busy this afternoon anyway.

Sure. The organized crime groups paid off the politicians. What is the purpose of a non-profit group? If it is to lose money than NYRA deserves its non profit status. :p

Too busy to read the report? Love the non-profit scam they have there too. What a joke. :eek:

Well funny you should mention that. You can see the travers in the clubhouse for 5 bucks. Derby will run you are least 200 to get upstaairs and Im being generous. LOL!!! Whos scamming who here? Are you blind?

Churchill does have a lower takout than NYRA ( I was discussing Magna, which apparantly you realize you can't defend as you have gone off on a tangent which I never claimed ) though the numbers you refer to are for three horse or three horse multi-race bets ( and beyond ).

Churchill is in Kentucky, which in case you are unaware, is a racetrack friendly State. Also, Churchill Downs is only open for three months a year for racing and thus do not have to support purses for twelve months as NYRA does.

Come on Black, you are smarter than that. The NYRA lobbied to have that not profit statute in place in order for them to run the tracks. It is all political. But whoever runs the tracks should not be not for profit.

The Travers is nothing special. Trainers often opt to go to the Haskell. It so rarely includes the west coast it isn't even funny. The KY Derby is world known and televised everywhere. What are we watching the Travers on ESPN2 this year. Get real.

Dont forget the 10 dollar cokes and hot dogs on derby and oaks day, as well as the admission on those days.

Exactly. KY has numerous owners run its tracks. Business people. NYRA runs all three tracks and it isn't even a business. It is typical non-profit government corruption.

Shame you are watching cheap claimers and nothings the other days huh? What a bummer, LOL!!!