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Bendaredonedat 11-23-2006 08:48 PM

Clark Hcp
 
Any one have any thoughts on this one? Looks to me like TAP is the deserving favorite, having run a good one over the track on BC day. But i like Mater Command as well anyone think he can win?

Gauchos0522 11-23-2006 08:58 PM

Looks like Tap will sit about 4th off a pretty solid pace by Bright One, Wanderin Boy, and Master Command so I don't want to use any of the pace setters at least on top. I will use Wanderin Boy because he has gone fast up front and stayed on well but don't think he will win. I think A.P. Arrow has a slight shot at a price but really think if Tap runs his race especially the race he ran in the classic then he should stalk and pounce. Maybe a little Super Frolic action too but he has not been nearly as effective this year.

SCUDSBROTHER 11-23-2006 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bendaredonedat
Any one have any thoughts on this one? Looks to me like TAP is the deserving favorite, having run a good one over the track on BC day. But i like Mater Command as well anyone think he can win?

That horse runs best with Johnny getting him on the lead.So,I think the question is can he do that from the 12 hole with Wanderin Boy in the race?

Sightseek 11-23-2006 09:41 PM

Hopefully Wild Desert at least hits the board...(with Premium Tap & It's No Joke)

Zaf 11-23-2006 09:53 PM

Master Command comes off a strong race at the Meadowlands but seems to need the lead to get the job done, may be tough from that outside spot. I like a horse exiting that same race who can seem to rate a bit better, Wild Desert. This race may set up nicely for him & seems to be rounding into his top 4YO form & has a few races over the track that were acceptable. 3 for 18 lifetime, now or never !

Cajungator26 11-24-2006 08:39 AM

It's hard to dismiss Premium Tap, but I'll take Bright One to win it with Premium Tap and Wanderin Boy to round out the tri.

2Hot4TV 11-24-2006 09:03 AM

I think this race came up extra tough. I have been waiting for Super Frolic to put up that big race and I will take him at long odds to win. Tap looks like the style to win this if Kent keeps him out of trouble.

oracle80 11-24-2006 09:08 AM

Tap is back off a hard race and 20 days rest, no thanks for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I like Wild Desert and Super Frolic to get good trips behind the speed and pressers. Those are the two i will be keying, I'll use Tap underneath, but betting chalk off a hard fast race and only 20 days rest is not for me.

todko 11-24-2006 09:27 AM

Irene's Mon at a price -- if Wandering Boy and Bright One burn it could set up well for Tap and Irene's Mon. Tap coming off 3 weeks rest doesn't concern me too much here. A lot of the closers are weak -- Andromeda's Hero, AP whatever, and so forth. Churchill is playing well to speed and it might be tough to catch Bright One and Wandering Boy also.

Trying to cover both scenarios with a tri P/W:

Tap, Mon, Boy, Bright
Tap, Mon, Boy, Bright
Tap, Mon, Boy, Bright, Desert, Command

$48 on the $1. Good luck.

Travis Stone 11-24-2006 10:01 AM

I don't think IRENE'S MON is that much of a stab. Certainly he has never faced top-notch competition, but while this is a grade one race, it still has a grade two flavor to it. He likes the track, he likes to close - enough for me.

I do think there is a significant amount of pace in this race. Is it 22-change pace? Eh, tough call. Sitting the trip should be IT'S NO JOKE. Likes the track, draws more inside and can win going two turns.

Basically, my approach is this race feels like the Stephen Foster. The top horses has some potential question marks so it's a price-hunt for sure.

SniperSB23 11-24-2006 10:12 AM

It's No Joke

wac 11-24-2006 10:15 AM

kinda like ap arrow in this one

TitanSooner 11-24-2006 10:28 AM

Tap-Command EBox.

2Hot4TV 11-24-2006 10:31 AM

Basically, my approach is this race feels like the Stephen Foster. The top horses has some potential question marks so it's a price-hunt for sure.
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Then you should like Wiggins. Without the trouble he had in that race he could of been the winner.

ArlJim78 11-24-2006 10:47 AM

A difficult race with a lot of horses each one having one or more questions.

Premium Tap may be coming back on relatively short rest but to me he has been performing several lengths better than these and has proven to be quite the consistent performer this year. Cannot get excited though at the low price he will bring today.
A.P. Arrow might be an upsetter.
Thinking about singling Andromedas Hero third and fourth on a super ticket.

Sightseek 11-24-2006 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
A difficult race with a lot of horses each one having one or more questions.

Premium Tap may be coming back on relatively short rest but to me he has been performing several lengths better than these and has proven to be quite the consistent performer this year. Cannot get excited though at the low price he will bring today.
A.P. Arrow might be an upsetter.
Thinking about singling Andromedas Hero third and fourth on a super ticket.

I was thinking the same thing on Andromedas Hero. Good luck!

blackthroatedwind 11-24-2006 11:34 AM

I realize crazy things seem to happen at Churchill but it looks to me like basically a three horse race between Super Frolic, Wanderin Boy and Premium Tap. I prefer Super Frolic, who's running in the first race he had a chance in for the " potent " Assmussen barn, and should get a great trip and be the squarest price of the real contendors.

Most of these are just WAY too slow.

Kasept 11-24-2006 11:37 AM

From today's Selections..

CD 11th: 132nd Clark H. (Gr. I), $500,000, 3+, 9f (DD)

1. #5 It's No Joke 10-1: Grabbing tab on in form Maker stalker; sits off speed
2. #4 Premium Tap 5-2: Desormeaux (!) back aboard; Classic effort was great
A. #10 Irene's Mon 30-1: Never off board @ Downs; May like stretchout
B. #1 Super Frolic 8-1: Bulleted for new barn and gets pace to chase

LONGSHOT/SUPER ADD: #7 Wiggins 30-1: Typically a cut beneath, but likes CD, trip..

eurobounce 11-24-2006 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
From today's Selections..

CD 11th: 132nd Clark H. (Gr. I), $500,000, 3+, 9f (DD)

1. #5 It's No Joke 10-1: Grabbing tab on in form Maker stalker; sits off speed
2. #4 Premium Tap 5-2: Desormeaux (!) back aboard; Classic effort was great
A. #10 Irene's Mon 30-1: Never off board @ Downs; May like stretchout
B. #1 Super Frolic 8-1: Bulleted for new barn and gets pace to chase

LONGSHOT/SUPER ADD: #7 Wiggins 30-1: Typically a cut beneath, but likes CD, trip..

For the pick 3 players out there, all I can say is to go ALL in this race.

ArlJim78 11-24-2006 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I realize crazy things seem to happen at Churchill but it looks to me like basically a three horse race between Super Frolic, Wanderin Boy and Premium Tap. I prefer Super Frolic, who's running in the first race he had a chance in for the " potent " Assmussen barn, and should get a great trip and be the squarest price of the real contendors.

Most of these are just WAY too slow.

Super frolic would be no surprise to me either for the reasons you mentioned.
I don't like Wanderin Boy's chances today to win. He normally must wire the field to win and I just don't see that happening today, although he has clearly been performing at a higher level than most of these.

blackthroatedwind 11-24-2006 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
Super frolic would be no surprise to me either for the reasons you mentioned.
I don't like Wanderin Boy's chances today to win. He normally must wire the field to win and I just don't see that happening today, although he has clearly been performing at a higher level than most of these.


I don't see a ton of pace other than Bright One who I don't like a little bit. You may be right but as you said his performances have been overall better than all, save perhaps Premium Tap, so I tend to think he has a realistic chance.

One horse that I will be shocked to see win is It's No Joke. He isn't fast enough to be an effective member of the pace and his recent victories have been against significantly worse horses.

philcski 11-24-2006 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
It's No Joke

Me too. Really liked his race on BC day, has the top last out figure on my numbers. Multidimensional runner and the other two speed horses he dueled with collapsed and finished 8th and 10th. Should get a garden trip from the 5 hole behind MC and Wanderin Boy. Do NOT like Master Command, he'll be way overbet thanks to the connections and he hasn't run a figure that is close to par yet for this level.

5/4,1,2,10

philcski 11-24-2006 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I don't see a ton of pace other than Bright One who I don't like a little bit. You may be right but as you said his performances have been overall better than all, save perhaps Premium Tap, so I tend to think he has a realistic chance.

One horse that I will be shocked to see win is It's No Joke. He isn't fast enough to be an effective member of the pace and his recent victories have been against significantly worse horses.

Rewatch his last- he makes several midrace moves. He's got a big shot in here if he can come up with a similar effort. At 10,12-1 i like the chances of that happening. I disagree with your pace analysis, i expect it to be fairly swift with 3-4 that like the lead in here, likely Wanderin Boy ending up on top at the first call with MC, PT, and Bright One right there. Its No Joke should end up sitting right off that group.

ArlJim78 11-24-2006 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I don't see a ton of pace other than Bright One who I don't like a little bit. You may be right but as you said his performances have been overall better than all, save perhaps Premium Tap, so I tend to think he has a realistic chance.

One horse that I will be shocked to see win is It's No Joke. He isn't fast enough to be an effective member of the pace and his recent victories have been against significantly worse horses.

I agree, I don't like It's No Joke here.

blackthroatedwind 11-24-2006 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Rewatch his last- he makes several midrace moves. He's got a big shot in here if he can come up with a similar effort. At 10,12-1 i like the chances of that happening. I disagree with your pace analysis, i expect it to be fairly swift with 3-4 that like the lead in here, likely Wanderin Boy ending up on top at the first call with MC, PT, and Bright One right there. Its No Joke should end up sitting right off that group.

I respectfully disagree about It's No Joke's chances here. He did run OK last time though it was a very mediocre field ( the favorite Magna Graduate ran like a 10 claimer ) and the two horses with the inside/outside trips ran one-two. Sorry if I'm not getting excited about a victory over Irene's Mom who had never run a remotely competitive race prior. No horses from bhind showed up in that race whatsoever.

The simple fact about It's No Joke is that his recent efforts have been against significantly weaker opposition ( he beat that complete mediocrity AP Arrow for God's sake ) and he does not figure to get an easy trip here. I don't see him being good enough to get a winning trip here. Do you expect him to be effective sitting a few lengths off and making his move on the turn?

Gauchos0522 11-24-2006 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Rewatch his last- he makes several midrace moves. He's got a big shot in here if he can come up with a similar effort. At 10,12-1 i like the chances of that happening. I disagree with your pace analysis, i expect it to be fairly swift with 3-4 that like the lead in here, likely Wanderin Boy ending up on top at the first call with MC, PT, and Bright One right there. Its No Joke should end up sitting right off that group.

Really doubt that Premium Tap will mess with the pace setters if it is hot and I agree that other than him it is a bunch who has a lot of questions and some of them like It's No Joke are just not fast enough to win.

philcski 11-24-2006 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I respectfully disagree about It's No Joke's chances here. He did run OK last time though it was a very mediocre field ( the favorite Magna Graduate ran like a 10 claimer ) and the two horses with the inside/outside trips ran one-two. Sorry if I'm not getting excited about a victory over Irene's Mom who had never run a remotely competitive race prior. No horses from bhind showed up in that race whatsoever.

The simple fact about It's No Joke is that his recent efforts have been against significantly weaker opposition ( he beat that complete mediocrity AP Arrow for God's sake ) and he does not figure to get an easy trip here. I don't see him being good enough to get a winning trip here. Do you expect him to be effective sitting a few lengths off and making his move on the turn?

That is how I envision it, yes. Basically the only "contender" i don't like is Master Command, so i'll shoot for the best price of the group I like- while I didn't think much of Irene's Mom before his last he has put two good efforts together and considering he's still 3 I'm banking on the fact that perhaps he's a late blooming 3YO who took advantage of a perfect setup to run 2nd.

Quite honestly I didn't like Magna Graduate in that race at all. Long layoff and poorly spotted in a 1 turn mile. Of course, my horse ran last! (he did return to win a good money allowance in a fast time, minor vindication on that?)

Who do you like? this is a very intruiging race, if not really a true grade 1.

blackthroatedwind 11-24-2006 12:31 PM

I already gave my opinion earlier in the thread.

Who did like Magna Graduate? He was the easiest pitch of the day.

TheSpyder 11-24-2006 12:36 PM

This is a "W" race
 
I'm boxing Wandering Boy, Wiggins, and Wild Dessert

Why ask why!

Actually think WB will wire the field.

King Glorious 11-24-2006 12:38 PM

I only like Wanderin Boy, It's No Joke, and Bright One as win candidates. I don't like Premium Tap to hit the board here.

philcski 11-24-2006 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I already gave my opinion earlier in the thread.

Who did like Magna Graduate? He was the easiest pitch of the day.

Ahh, missed it. I also think he's got a big shot. I'm DEFINITELY using him in multirace wagers.

I have no idea who bet him down to 2-1. Sometimes i wonder...
on an unrelated note, how was there only 1 winner of the pick 6 yesterday at AQU?

SniperSB23 11-24-2006 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I realize crazy things seem to happen at Churchill but it looks to me like basically a three horse race between Super Frolic, Wanderin Boy and Premium Tap. I prefer Super Frolic, who's running in the first race he had a chance in for the " potent " Assmussen barn, and should get a great trip and be the squarest price of the real contendors.

Most of these are just WAY too slow.

I would think because of that you would like a horse that has four in a row at Churchill. This field just plain isn't that good and the better horses up front will be compromised by each other and I really like the chances of this race falling right into It's No Joke's lap. The only one that might be too good for him is Premium Tap and Premium Tap still has never won while worse than 2nd at first call so I'll take my shot against him. It is too short for Super Frolic and Wanderin Boy only runs well when things go his way up front which won't be the case today.

TitanSooner 11-24-2006 03:43 PM

Tap for fun.. used the wrong horse underneath.

SniperSB23 11-24-2006 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
I would think because of that you would like a horse that has four in a row at Churchill. This field just plain isn't that good and the better horses up front will be compromised by each other and I really like the chances of this race falling right into It's No Joke's lap. The only one that might be too good for him is Premium Tap and Premium Tap still has never won while worse than 2nd at first call so I'll take my shot against him. It is too short for Super Frolic and Wanderin Boy only runs well when things go his way up front which won't be the case today.

Next race I'll talk myself out of Premium Tap because he's never won while worse than 3rd at first call.

ArlJim78 11-24-2006 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I only like Wanderin Boy, It's No Joke, and Bright One as win candidates. I don't like Premium Tap to hit the board here.

I don't think it's possible to be more incorrect about a race.
All win candidates off the board and your throw-out romps in near record time.

Zaf 11-24-2006 04:06 PM

Didn't have the exacta , DOHHHH:confused: , but at least salvaged the place on Wild Desert.

Sightseek 11-24-2006 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Hopefully Wild Desert at least hits the board...(with Premium Tap & It's No Joke)

Good boy Wild D, outstanding race by Premium Tap.

SniperSB23 11-24-2006 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
One horse that I will be shocked to see win is It's No Joke. He isn't fast enough to be an effective member of the pace and his recent victories have been against significantly worse horses.

You were definitely right about It's No Joke not winning, he had a terrible start and was never a factor. Those significantly worse horses he beat the last two races were 3rd and 5th though so I don't think I was totally out of my gourd to have liked him here.

Zaf 11-24-2006 04:18 PM

Nice Call, Sightseek !


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