So, Derby Week has finally arrived, Look for all Extras Here
 

Chruchill Downs next Saturday of course and we have extras and prizes far and wide.

- Double your wallets to win or lose to $200
- Double points awarded for picks and ROI Wagers
- Derby Extras include additional points for:
a. 30 pts for a straight trifecta
b. 20 pts for a straight exacta
c. 10 pts for picking the last place horse
d. 10 pts for closest guess to the official CD attendance

And winners of the Points and ROI Contests will get a yummy treat

DonGuido's Extra Large Hunson River Eell pizza, delivered hot and fresh to your back porch (someone will steal it on the front porch). If ya don't have a back porch get one built quickly, ya got 7 days :D

And don't forget "DonGuido's Hudson River Eel Pizzas are Eelly Eelly Good!"
Anchovies will cost extra.

Please put your guesses for c. and d. above in this tread. Thanks for playing and Ga'luk to all!!!

If it was a Don Guido speedie I'd start capping now

7 stakes on Friday and 8 on Saturday. I wish we could start capping now. I think only Oaklawn and Fairgrounds give you nearly a week to do your capping. I likely will ignore Friday and focus on Saturday and even that is pretty grueling if you handicap all the stakes that are offered unless you go the dark sciences route with your crystal ball or Weegee board.:eek:

C'mon RQ, it's DonGuido and Speidies. You can never eat just one . . . ;) :D

I MUST HAVE ANCHOVIES :{>: AT ANY COST :$:
~~~~~ BUT DEFINITELY NO EEL :eek:

PIZZA WITHOUT ANCHOVIES IS JUST A BUNCH OF CHEESE + TOMATO :zz:

Sorry Ruffian, Eel it has to be or it wouldn't be "DonGuido's Hudson River Eel Pizza, It's Eely Eely Good". You'll just have to pick the eel off and give it your cats but I will add extra anchovies for ya. I don't have anchivies though.

Enough pizza talk, let's get some spirited talk about who will win and why. I have no clue since I've been lying low for the past weeks. And who are the real live longshots for a possible upset. Sure, I can read or hear about it from the so called Experts but i trust everyone here more. :D

DON JUAN CHIRPS …

“Sorry Ruffian, Eel it has to be or it wouldn't be
"DonGuido's Hudson River Eel Pizza, It's Eely Eely Good".

You'll just have to pick the eel off and give it your cats
but I will add extra anchovies for ya.

I don't have anchivies though. <======= :eek:
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DANG SIRI
NEEDS SPELLING LESSON OR HEARING AID :( :zz: :rolleyes:

Post position draw will be on Monday (didn't it used to be on Wednesday in past years?) for both the Oaks and the Derby. After seeing exactly who will be running and from where, we will have plenty of time to overanalyze the race.

Knowing that a Hudson River Eel pizza is on the line, I'll 'cap extra diligently. Just hope it is from that part of the Hudson that has been cleaned up from the hazardous waste discharges of years gone by.

Ever since the Lexington, I've been trying to talk myself into believing that Tawny Port is truly fast enough to compete with this group. At this point, I like the horse and connections (and the likely price) very much, but know that he will need to run even better than his previous races. I do think that there is some upside to him. Hmmmm.

JOLY
“… Post position draw will be on Monday
(didn't it used to be on Wednesday in past years?)

Originally it was Wednesday
~~~ Then it was Tuesday
~~~ Now it’s Monday

I called the track to be sure it wasn’t a misprint
He said they moved it to allow more people to get their information in

The actual DERBY draw won’t be till around maybe 2 o’clock
I think he said they start the draw for all the races around 11 AM ET

OR
Call The Racing Office there to ask

I pulled this from a press release on the CD website. They have things timed down to the minute - even allowing 8 minutes for "banter".

Can't find any network coverage, so I guess I'll need to watch online.

Format:
 2:03-2:06 p.m. – Introduction (Buttleman Call to the Post / Stone)
 2:06-2:09 p.m. – KENTUCKY OAKS: Pill pull for 1-7
 2:09-2:11 p.m. – Brief interlude #1
 2:11-2:15 p.m. – KENTUCKY OAKS: Pill pull for 8-14
 2:15-2:17 p.m. – Brief interlude #2
 2:17-2:20 p.m. – KENTUCKY OAKS: TwinSpires.com Morning Line Odds by Mike Battaglia
 2:20-2:22 p.m. – Brief interlude #3
 2:22-2:30 p.m. – Banter
 2:30-2:32 p.m. – Welcome Back (Buttleman Call to the Post / Stone)
 2:32-2:40 p.m. – KENTUCKY DERBY: Pill pull for 1-10
 2:40-2:42 p.m. – Brief interlude #4
 2:42-2:50 p.m. – KENTUCKY DERBY: Pill pull for 11-20
 2:50-2:52 p.m. – Brief interlude #5
 2:52-2:55 p.m. – KENTUCKY DERBY: TwinSpires.com Morning Line Odds by Mike Battaglia
How to Watch: The Kentucky Derby Post Position Draw will be streamed live on www.KentuckyDerby.com and televised live in
Louisville by NBC affiliate WAVE-3 and other various other local and national outlets.

I liked Tawny in the Lex, but as the talking heads say, "the waters get a bit deeper here." I think the interesting thing to me is I wasn't all that impressed with Cyberknife because the Arkansas Derby seemed to be one of the slower editions of that race in recent memory and his stablemate Zozos got a better figure in the Louisiana Derby racing at nearly the distance of the Derby beaten only a couple of lengths by Epicenter and I think that one set a track record, so how bad can Zozos be? But here's the thing that might give a person pause on Zozos and Tawny, Geroux rode all 3 and he goes with Cyberknife which totally muddies the picture on the Brad Cox runners.:zz:

Ye1 JB, my pizza eel is certified by EEG (Eely Eely Good, LLP) and guaranteed to be free of hazardous waste, radioactivity, and lethal bacteria with eels being caught in the crystal clear and meandering Hudson River waters far north of Albany.

Cal, the talking heads couldn't have said this any better. Like usual I'll study the PP's like I do every race and see how they run. Like going into the Super Bowl, the College Championships or the World Series . . . it's just another ball game.

Un Ojo ==> Out Of Derby
 

Dreams of a Kentucky Derby (G1) victory were dashed for some and sprang to life for others May 2, when Un Ojo was declared out of the race due to a bruised foot, allowing Ethereal Road to enter the body of the 20-horse field.

Not too surprising. I'm surprised the field has held up this well. Seems like in most years 3 or 4 will be lost in the final couple of weeks. Must admit, I didn't think he had much of a chance to win it, but long shots, especially those closer types like him often fill out one of the next 3 slots after the winner which makes picking the verticals almost impossible, at least for this player.:(:wf

Whatever floats your boat on those deep waters.:D In some respects, it is the same as any other race, but it is different in one unique way and that is the field is almost twice as big as any other race in North America which might be a reason to approach it differently in handicapping and betting or maybe not? Most of us here tend to do as Darryl Royal once said and "dance with the girl what brung us."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OR…
My so-called “ Method “ has worked for me several times 🏆

~ ~ ~ 💘 THE NAME, THE SIRE, 💓 GRAY💖

THUNDER GULCH 26/1
GIACOMO 50/1 *** GRAY SON OF HOLY BULL 🖤
CHARISMATIC ❣️Love The Name

Just To Name A Few

I would have to go back to my list of winners to see who else I add
~~~~~~~ Memory is not my best attribute 🙄

Sorry, ma'am, but most of us have to forego your dark arts methodology. Especially, if we want to save our eternal souls and spare ourselves the need for an exorcism.

{ CAL }
…. “ Sorry, ma'am, but most of us have to forego
your dark arts methodology.
Especially, if we want to save our eternal souls
and spare ourselves the need for an exorcism. “
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FIRST OFF

U Can Call Me Bych, U Can Call Me Wych ~ :eek:
~ ~ ~ But …. NO WAY Call Me Ma’am 😡

Also
I can channel Marie Laveau the VooDoo Queen 🧟*♂️
~~~ and put a spell on you if you don’t watch out 🙅🏼*♀️

🐯 MAY THE PURRRRR BE WITH YOU 🐯

[quote=RUFFIAN;1163904]{ CAL }
…. “ Sorry, ma'am, but most of us have to forego
your dark arts methodology.
Especially, if we want to save our eternal souls
and spare ourselves the need for an exorcism. “
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FIRST OFF

U Can Call Me Bych, U Can Call Me Wych ~ :eek:
~ ~ ~ But …. NO WAY Call Me Ma’am ��

Also
I can channel Marie Laveau the VooDoo Queen ��*♂️
~~~ and put a spell on you if you don’t watch out ����*♀️

I think you already did. You know I'm just joking. Actually, I admire your abilities and wish I had them. You definitely have that "Hotel California" vibe going for you in your handicapping. In the meantime, I'll just have to stick with my silly old reasoned approach which probably doesn't make much sense in a sport that often seems unreasonable.

{ CAL }
“ I think you already did. You know I'm just joking.
Actually, I admire your abilities and wish I had them.
You definitely have that "Hotel California" vibe “
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OF COURSE I KNEW U WERE JOKING 🙃
That’s one of the things I Love 💗 about you

Which Explains My Favorite Sires = Distorted Humor + Into Mischief 💗

💥 And if I had put a Spell 🧙*♀️ on you
~~~~ It would have been for
Good Health ~ Happiness ~ All Your Horse Bets Be Winners 💰

As For A “ California Vibe “ ?????
Not Sure Exactly What That Is 🙄

~~~ My “ VIBE “ Is Feline Based 🐯
Intuition Directly From The Litter Box
Which is probably why most of my ROI wagers Stink 😩


🐎 😻 🐕 🪐 🎶

Hard to know what songs mean and sometimes I read things into them that are not meant to be there. I always pictured the Hotel California as being a mysterious place where black magic might be performed to keep a person there forever as in "you can never leave", but maybe that is wrong. Maybe it's more like the House of the Rising Sun in which there doesn't seem like any magic involved, but it is a place that robs a person of all humanity.

Cal

My Theme Song 🎶 Is Rocky Mountain 🏔 High 🍃

~~~~ In Every Sense And Connotation 😉

Official Post Positions Kentucky Derby presented by Woodford Reserve
#1 Mo Donegal (10/1)
#2 Happy Jack (30/1)
#3 Epicenter (7/2)
#4 Summer is Tomorrow (30/1)
#5 Smile Happy (20/1)
#6 Messier (8/1)
#7 Crown Pride (20/1)
#8 Charge It (20/1)
#9 Tiz the Bomb (30/1)
#10 Zandon (3/1) :{>:
#11 Pioneer of Medina (30/1)
#12 Taiba (12/1)
#13 Simplification (20/1)
#14 Barber Road (30/1)
#15 White Abarrio (10/1) :{>:
#16 Cyberknife (20/1)
#17 Classic Causeway (30/1)
#18 Tawny Port (30/1)
#19 Zozos (20/1) :{>:
#20 Etheral Road (30/1)

After looking at Saturday's entry list, I'm inclined to agree with you (other than one of my favorite wagers, the Oaks - Derby Double). Saturday's race card is nothing short of grueling. An active player will likely be exhausted, both physically, mentally and financially, by the end of the day. Churchill is offering 14 races over a period of 10 hours, with most races having very full fields. A cynical person would suggest that they were being greedy. When I have time I'll try to count the total number of horses who will be running - I'm sure that it is a large number.

Good that we can start the handicapping process earlier than in the past.

Oaks Question
 

Is The Kentucky Oaks Televised Friday
On Tv — Cable Network … *** Not Tvg Which I Don’t Have

I Called Nbc But They Are Not Doing Oaks :(

Try USA Network for Oaks Day coverage. That's what we have locally.

JOLY
OMG :eek:
USA NETWORK
I never would’ve guessed that … but you’re absolutely right
I FOUND IT AND SET DVR
THANKS SO MUCH :{>:

I tried NBCSN which is NBC sports network
The articles I read said that is who was carrying it

I also tried Fox Sports #1, Fox Sports #2

MAYBE TOO MUCH CATNIP… :eek: :zz: :rolleyes:

DON’T Recall IF We Also Do Friday Contest :tro:
~~~~~ OR JUST SATURDAY

Real Quiet has kindly allowed us to include the Oaks/Derby Double in our ROI wagers. Other than that, I can't recall ever playing the Oaks card as a contest. The only time we do a two day contest is for the BC races.

Don't know about you, but I suspect that I'll be burned out after plowing through just the card for Derby Day. Our hardworking scorers will probably be also.

Yes, we always allow Oaks-Derby Double for ROI as one of your four wagers and no we do not add Oaks day to our Points contest. Definitely too much catnip Ruffian.

DON = “ Definitely too much catnip Ruffian.“
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NEVER TOO MUCH ! :) ;) :zz:

Weather Update
 

MOTHER NATURE MAY BETTING ON LONGSHOTS ;)

~~~~~~~ WEATHER FORECAST ~~~~~~~


Saturday 05/0756% / 0.13 in
Cloudy with occasional rain showers.
High 64F. Winds W at 5 to 10 mph.

=====> Chance of rain 60%. :eek:

Bonus Points
 

OK, I'm through handicapping. So I'll do my bonus point entry now while my brain still has a sliver of functionality.

1. Tri:

Win Taiba (#12)
Place Mo Donegal (#1)
Show Epicenter #3)

2 Exacta:

Win Taiba (#12)
Place Mo Donegal (#1)

3. Last Place Horse:

Classic Causeway (#17)

4. Attendance:

152,301

Yeah, it's a long day not just handicapping but scoring. But it's all good and fun. I used to have tickets every year for Oaks day and would arrive at Churchill before the first race. By the end of the day I was exhausted. Would spend Derby day at Keeneland for their wonderful buffet and it was a lot of fun. Have to admit, again, was exhausted by the end of the day.

I think what makes it so bad is how they extend the time between races later in the cards. Just keep it at 30 min. But I know they extend the time to bring in more betting money. Still, ugh.

Also, as is tradition, a KY Derby glass will be awarded to the Points Contest and ROI winners. :)

Cat House Confusion
 

CAT 🐯 HOUSE 🏡 CONFUSION :confused:

AM A BIT CONDUSED RE CAL POST
INCLUDES ======> EXACTA + ATTENDANCE

YET, DON’S POST LAST YEAR DOES NOT
SO… WHICH IS IT ? :zz:

Points awarded are doubled
2. We have a $200 wallet and will accept the Oaks Derby double as one of you four wager
3. An extra 15 pts awarded if you pick the Derby straight trifecta
4. An extra 10 pts awarded if you pick the last place horse
5. An extra 5 pts awarded for the guess on the lengths back the last place horse is from the winner

POST ALL THESE EXTRAS HERE in the following order please.

1: Straight trifecta
2: Last Place horse
3: Lengths back for last place horse

Ruffian, Reread the initial post, item d. You're close to losing your editorial position?! :D

DON
“ Ruffian, Reread the initial post, item d.
You're close to losing your editorial position?! “
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A
I scroll down to the beginning and the first thing I see is
Cal
Addressing my handicapping method of secret spells etc

B
I do not see “item D “

Sorry for interrupting your day with my state of confusion :zz:
Sorry you could not understand why I was confused
After seeing what Cal posted that included exacta + attendance

I thought perhaps I may have missed something new that was added

As for losing my “ Editorial Position “ 😱

Who Else Will Notice Your Errors :eek:
And Prevent Humiliation :{>: