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Kasept 04-01-2022 04:02 PM

4/2: Gulfstream (6th-14th); Oaklawn (5th-13th; X-C P5)
 
GULFSTREAM


POST-SCRATCHES


6th: Ghostzapper (G3), 4+, 8.5f (P3, DD, Hi-5)

Most Likely: #4 Fearless 4-5 WON ($2.60)
Best Value: #1 Commandeer 8-1 5th
Next Best: #6 Greatest Honour 3-1 2nd
Exotics Use: #5 Capocostello 10-1 3rd


7th: Sand Springs, F&M-4+, 8.5f-T (P4, P3, DD, Hi-5)

Most Likely: #5 Stunning Princess 3-1 3rd
Next Best: #3 Stolen Holiday 5-2 2nd
Best Value: #4 Crystal Cliffs 9-2 WON ($8.20)
Exotics Use: #1 Traffic Song 7-2 8th


8th: MSW, 3yo, 7f (P3, DD, Hi-5)

Best Value: #4 Wish You Well 12-1 WON ($5.20)
Next Best: #11 Easy to Love 6-1 5th
Exotics Use: #8 Frippet 3-1 3rd
Super Add: #7 Inviting 8-1 4th


9th: Pan American (G2), 4+, 12f-T (Rainbow 6, P3, DD, Hi-5)

Most Likely: #3 Gufo 9-5 WON ($4.60)
Next Best: #6 Temple 5-2 4th
Exotics Use: #5 Abaan 8-5 2nd
Super Add: #2 Mid Day Image 12-1 6th


10th: Sir Shackleton, 4+, 7f (P5, P3, DD, Hi-5)

Best Value: #5 Girolamo's Attack 8-1 5th
Next Best: #1 Fortin Hill 5-2 3rd
Exotics Use: #9 Collaborate 3-1 2nd
Super Add: #6 Shivaree 12-1 6th


P4 Grid:

7: 3-5 (A), 1-4 (B), - (C)
8: 4-11 (A), - (B), 7-8 (C)
9: 3-5-6 (A), - (B), - (C)
10: 1-5 (A), 6-9 (B), - (C)

Simple (A+B): 4x2x3x4 = 96 x .50 = $48
All A's: 2x2x3x2 = 24 x .50 = $12
Backup: 2x2x3x2= 24 x .50 = $12 (A-C-A-A)


11th: Sanibel Island, 3yo-F, 1m-T (P4, P3, DD, Hi-5)

Best Value: #7 Hail To 12-1 8th
Next Best: #1 Mischievous Kiss 2-1 4th
Exotics Use: #2 Beechnut Trophy 4-1 3rd
Super Add: #8 Ambiteuse 6-1 5th


12th: Gulfstream Oaks (G2), 3yo-F, 8.5f (P3, DD, Hi-5)

Most Likely: #7 Kathleen O. 4-5 WON ($3.00)
Best Value: #4 Running Legacy 15-1 3rd
Next Best: #5 Goddess of Fire 9-5 2nd
Exotics Use: #1 Cancel This 20-1 5th


13th: Appleton (G3), 4+, 1m-T (DD, Hi-5)

Best Value: #2 Scarlett Sky 6-1 8th
Next Best: #7 Phantom Currency 3-1 WON ($7.40)
Exotics Use: #9 English Bee 7-2 5th
Super Add: #8 Carpenter's Call 10-1 3rd


14th: Florida Derby (G1), 3yo, 9f (Hi-5)

Most Likely: #3 Simplification 5-2 3rd
Next Best: #6 Charge It 7-2 2nd
Best Value: #11 Steal Sunshine 30-1 7th
Exotics Use: #5 Pappacap 10-1 4th


P5 Grid:

10: 1-5 (A), 6-9 (B), - (C)
11: 1-2-7 (A), - (B), - (C)
12: 7 (A), - (B), 4-5 (C)
13: 2-7 (A), 9 (B), - (C)
14: 3-6 (A), - (B), 2-7 (C)

Simple (A+B): 4x3x1x3x2 = 72 x .50 = $36
All A's: 2x3x1x2x2 = 24 x .50 = $12
Backups: 2x3x2x2x2 = 48 x .50 = $24 (A-A-C-A-A) + 2x3x1x2x2 = 24 x .50 = $12 (A-A-A-A-C)


P4 Grid:

11: 1-2-7 (A), - (B), - (C)
12: 7 (A), 4-5 (B), - (C)
13: 2-7-9 (A), - (B), - (C)
14: 3-6 (A), - (B), 2-7 (C)

Simple (A+B): 3x3x3x2 = 54 x .50 = $27
All A's: 3x1x3x2 = 18 x .50 = $9
Backups: 3x1x3x2 = 18 x .50 = $9 (A-A-A-C)



OAKLAWN


POST-SCRATCHES


OAKLAWN 5th: Carousel, F&M-4+, 6f (X-C P5, P5, P3, DD)

Most Likely: #2 Frank's Rockette 8-5 2nd
Next Best: #6 Joy's Rocket 2-1 4th
Exotics Use: #5 Lil Tootsie 3-1 6th
Super Add: #4 Acting Out 5-1 WON ($15.40)


X-C P5 Grid:

OP 5: 2-5-6 (A), - (B), - (C)
AQ 8: 2-3-5 (A), - (B), - (C)
OP 9: 4 (A), 3-6-9 (B), - (C)
OP 10: 1-8 (A), 7-9 (B), - (C)
OP 12: 6 (A), - (B), 2-4 (C)

Simple (A+B): 3x3x4x4x1 = 144 x .50 = $72
All A's: 3x3x1x2x1 = 36 x .50 = $18
Backup: 3x3x1x2x2 = 36 x .50 = $18 (A-A-A-A-C)


6th: MSW, 3yo, 8.5f (P4, P3, DD)

Most Likely: #4 Plausible Denile 7-2 3rd
Best Value: #5 King Ottoman 5-1 4th
Next Best: #7 Western River 4-1 WON ($11.40)
Exotics Use: #8 Commander Compton 6-1 7th


7th: OC/N$Y, F&M-4+, 6f (P3, DD)

Most Likely: #1 Pharoah's Heart 5-2 2nd
Best Value: #4 Mun Luv 6-1 4th
Next Best: #6 Sweet Tea 6-1 7th
Exotics Use: #7 Liberated Lady 10-1 3rd


8th: OC/N1X, 3+, 6f (P3, DD)

Best Value: #2 Bandit Point 8-1 4th
Next Best: #5 Drena's Star 4-1 3rd
Exotics Use: #7 Wobberjod 9-2 6th
Super Add: #9 A C Expressway 7-2 2nd


AQUEDUCT 8th: Excelsior, 4+, 9f (DD)

Most Likely: #3 First Constitution 1-1 3rd
Next Best: #2 Untreated 7-5 2nd
Exotics Use: #5 Forewarned 5-1 WON ($11.40)


OAKLAWN 9th: Oaklawn Mile, 4+, 1m (P5, P3, DD)

Most Likely: #4 Cezanne 5-2 2nd
Best Value: #3 Market Analysis 12-1 8th
Next Best: #6 Silver Prospector 8-1 5th
Exotics Use: #9 Necker Island 6-1 4th


P5 Grid:

5: 2-5-6 (A), - (B), - (C)
6: 4-5 (A), - (B), - (C)
7: 1-4 (A), 6 (B), - (C)
8: 2-5 (A), 7-9 (B), - (C)
9: 4 (A), - (B), 3-6 (C)

Simple (A+B): 3x2x3x4x1 = 72 x .50 = $36
All A's: 3x2x2x2x1 = 24 x .50 = $12
Backup: 3x2x2x2x2 = 48 x .50 = $24 (A-A-A-A-C)


P4 Grid:

6: 4-5 (A), - (B), - (C)
7: 1-4-6 (A), - (B), - (C)
8: 2-5 (A), 7-9 (B), - (C)
9: 3-4 (A), 6 (B), 9-10 (C)

Simple (A+B): 2x3x4x3 = 72 x .50 = $36
All A's: 2x3x2x2 = 24 x .50 = $12
Backup: 2x3x2x2 = 24 x .50 = $12 (A-A-A-C)


OAKLAWN 10th: Fantasy (G3), 3yo-F, 8.5f (P4, P3, DD)

Most Likely: #1 Dream Lith 8-1 5th
Best Value: #8 Heartyconstitution 12-1 6th
Next Best: #7 Yuugiri 4-1 WON ($10.20)
Exotics Use: #9 Bubble Rock 3-1 3rd


11th: OC/N$Y, 4+, 6f (P3, DD)

Most Likely: #5 Gar Hole 7-2 3rd
Next Best: #8 Macron 7-2 WON ($7.00)
Best Value: #9 Edge to Edge 12-1 6th
Exotics Use: #11 Supremacy 8-1 4th


OAKLAWN 12th: Arkansas Derby (G1), 3yo, 9f (DD)

Most Likely: #6 Secret Oath 5-2 3rd
Best Value: #2 Chasing Time 12-1 9th
Next Best: #4 Doppelganger 3-1 4th
Exotics Use: #3 Barber Road 8-1 2nd


13th: AR-OC/N$Y, 4+, 6f

Best Value: #3 Chicken Hawk 5-1 10th
Next Best: #7 Bellamys Roan 3-1 7th
Exotics Use: #4 Ima Bling Cat 6-1 4th
Super Add: #2 You Vee Zee 10-1 8th


P5 Grid:

9: 4 (A), 3-6 (B), 9-10 (C)
10: 1-7-8-9 (A), 4-6 (B), - (C)
11: 5 (A), 8 (B), - (C)
12: 6 (A), - (B), 2-4 (C)
13: 2-3-4-7 (A), - (B), - (C)

Simple (A+B): 3x6x2x1x4 = 144 x .50 = $72
All A's: 1x4x1x1x4 = 16 x .50 = $8
Backups: 2x4x1x1x4 = 32 x .50 = $16 (C-A-A-A-A) + 1x4x1x2x4 = 32 x .50 = $16 (A-A-A-C-A)


P4 Grid:

10: 1-7-8-9 (A), 4-6 (B), - (C)
11: 5 (A), 8 (B), - (C)
12: 6 (A), - (B), 2-4-8-9 (C)
13: 2-3-4-7 (A), - (B), - (C)

Simple (A+B): 6x2x1x4 = $48 ($24 for .50)
All A's: 4x1x1x4 = $16 ($8 for .50)
Backups: 4x1x4x4 = 64 x .50 = $32 (A-A-C-A)


Good luck!
Steve

maryhope 04-02-2022 06:28 AM

Why is the C picks for race #14 at Gulfstream 2,7 when your next two picks were 5,11, or is that just a misprint

Kasept 04-02-2022 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maryhope (Post 1162683)
Why is the C picks for race #14 at Gulfstream 2,7 when your next two picks were 5,11, or is that just a misprint

Not a misprint. It's the difference between playing the race vertically for a score (keying Simplification/Charge It with exotics candidate prices like 5-Pappacap/9-O Captain/11-Steal Sunshine under) versus horizontally (multis) covering win candidates like 2-Classic Causeway/7-White Abarrio that I'm a bit 'against' (but are far from impossible)..

There's nothing gained in selections by tabbing the top 4 favorites (3-2-6-7). It's more likely to me that a a price or two works their way into the tri/super, so I'm playing with 10-1 Pappacap, 20-1 O Captain & 30-1 Steal Sunshine with the 2 logicals I like best in Simplification and Charge It.

So look at the tri plays like this.. If any of the prices get in the tri with Simplification or Charge It, you'll get a nice score. If 2 of the prices come in under Simplification or Charge It, you'll get a bonanza. I'll also add a small win saver on the 3 prices as sanity insurance.

3-6 w/ 3-6 w/ 5-9-11 (2x1x3)

3-6 w/ 5-9-11 with 3-6 (2x3x1)

3-6 w/ 5-9-11 w/ 5-9-11 (2x3x2)

maryhope 04-02-2022 08:01 AM

Thank you Steve for your reply to my question, that was kind of you to explain your thoughts, I been following you for years and think you are the best handicapper I know, you are a great asset to the horse industry, good luck today and God bless you and your family

Kasept 04-02-2022 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maryhope (Post 1162688)
Thank you Steve for your reply to my question, that was kind of you to explain your thoughts, I been following you for years and think you are the best handicapper I know, you are a great asset to the horse industry, good luck today and God bless you and your family

Thanks for the generous compliments. Greatly appreciated.

Kasept 04-02-2022 10:01 AM

AQU SCR/CHG'S

GP SCR/CHG'S

OP SCR/CHG'S

ontheoutside 04-02-2022 10:08 AM

uncle ben
 
how would that method hit twice? no questioning,, just dont get it thanks

Dahoss 04-02-2022 12:58 PM

I've hit the trifecta the last 25 years of every race run during that time. I just box all/all/all.

I'd love to discuss further but I don't have much time between hopping on my private jet and banging my super model wife.

hi_im_god 04-02-2022 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UncleBenelli (Post 1162703)
Thats the Beauty of it! Would love to discuss, and have been doing my own sports handicapping shows on other sports. I always tip my cap to folks like Steve, as it is from them that I have been able to put many of these winning aspects together.

I have always been in love with Horses since my first visit at 8 years of age to Santa Anita. Dropped a note years ago thanking Steve for what he does and mentioned my opportunity to work with Gordon Jones at Sams town in Late 90s.
He and I did a few shows in sports books where we correlated ML baseball parlays, similar to horses.

Pick 3s 4s pick 6, but in parlays, it was a lot of fun a quite profitable.

Most respect I have for any professional sports handicappers, are with the horses.

Would love to do The Byk Show, but you dont hear any D-listers with Steve.

LOL Really appreciate you Mr. Byk

You’d love to discuss and have been invited to do so.

Maybe a “I misspoke” vs. this misdirection/bootlicking that hasn’t fooled anyone?

Let us know.

Dahoss 04-03-2022 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UncleBenelli (Post 1162783)
Apologies Gentlemen,
I was at the track watching a few 3 year old races and not monitoring the internet.

It is pretty simple to understand. I respect Gamlin and will answer a bit of the question. Truthfully I am not real fond of divulging betting tactics as after all we are competing for the same exotic pools. Giving away Trifecta formulas only hinders the pot.

This is why Steve is a class act. The most selfless capper and genuine guy in the business. I shall strive to understand that way of thinking and answer Gamlin on a PM.

Fantastic day yesterday Steve!!

Tell us you’re full of **** without actually saying it

Dahoss 04-03-2022 09:11 AM

In an effort to be fair, I’ll explain why people seem perplexed at what you’re saying. It makes no sense.

You can’t box the bet you describe. You can’t go two horses over three horses over all and then box that.

You said you had this great formula. It made no sense so people questioned you…to which you responded you’d love to discuss it. Then you said you’re not divulging secrets.

If you’re just trolling…Bravo.

casp0555 04-03-2022 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1162784)
Tell us you’re full of **** without actually saying it

:tro:

Dahoss 04-03-2022 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UncleBenelli (Post 1162812)
You are assuming I care? Response was given to Gamlin, and you are incorrect and sound as silly as a ticket tacker.

Well you cared enough to respond. But I like this new attitude now that you’ve been exposed as being a fraud.

It’s okay. Lots of people are completely full of sh.it online.

Dahoss 04-03-2022 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UncleBenelli (Post 1162814)
In Addition, I said I would be willing to share it with Steve, as I would really enjoy doing his show. What I said to you, was no, I do not want to share with you as you are a rude man. I do not troll, and am easy to find. Ibetnetworks.com is one place you can start, as I do podcasts for their network. We rarely touch on horses , but when we do, I always Mention Mr. Byk, as the one that folks should follow and can learn from.

I have also referenced in the past similar acquaintances that Steve and I have, like Joanne Jones, which is how I met my wife. Grew up around Santa Anita, and no rude sir I do not Troll. Been a Professional sports handicapper for well over 30 years, after drinking my way out of Baseball.

My Apologies for your bad attitude as I find this website a happy place to gain information and a wealth of knowledge. Great Horse cappers are a dying breed, I wish there was more opportunity for a younger generation to learn and understand the game.

Good night, may your anger and ego subside with the dawn.

Masters week!

No one cares.

Gotta be better ways to try and get on Steve’s show than this.

You should apologize for being full of sh.it.

Dahoss 04-04-2022 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UncleBenelli (Post 1162816)
You are an idiot, and I am not full of ****. You are a rude egotistical ass of a human being.

And a shame for this site. Get in your bed , dumb dumb.

Tell us again about how you met your wife. That was fascinating stuff. Your podcasts much be quite the listening experience.

You started this. I tried to be civil because I’m always open to learning something new. But everyone saw through your BS immediately.

You might want to check your ego at the door next time. Or keep making up stories. Probably more fun for everyone that way.

Dahoss 04-04-2022 08:58 AM

You’re going to drag my message board moniker on your podcast no one listens to? Oh no!

I’m so scared!

Since you like to deal in facts, let’s see you prove ONE instance where you hit your proposed trifecta and got paid twice with it.

Should be VERY easy to provide just ONE example.

YOU said you have this method. You were asked to clarify and you said you’d love to discuss. When pressed to discuss you shut up and then went on this tirade because you know you got caught. Then you tried to parlay it as a way of getting on to Steve’s show. LOL

The thing is…you have no idea who my acquaintances are. You have no idea what my resume is, or what I’ve done in the sport. You don’t know any of this because :eek:I don’t need to boast about it on a message board.

You do. A twitch feed….LOLOLOLOLOL

The only one that is mad is you. I’m laughing at you. Like everyone else is. Just like everyone on Covers did before they banned you. :eek:

Konk 04-04-2022 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UncleBenelli (Post 1162812)
You are assuming I care? Response was given to Gamlin, and you are incorrect and sound as silly as a ticket tacker.

You should listen to DaHoss, man, they have a special armorded car on reserve for him at Saratoga for his big days. Oh, and he would like you to know that he is a real man.:D

Dahoss 04-04-2022 02:51 PM

No one cares.

Can you prove what you are saying? It’s a yes or no.

Dahoss 04-05-2022 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UncleBenelli (Post 1162881)
YES, Dumb dumb. Its all ready been proven and documented for the last 7 years.
And it will be proven again in the derby, and the Preakness, and the Belmont, and breeders cup, and any other race with a large field for that matter.

I will prove it like a professional and even use Steve's picks to do it!

Now thats a bet!!!:tro::$::)

Cool...where is it documented so we can take a look?

Dahoss 04-05-2022 10:27 AM

Just want to clarify, this bet isn't available on ADW's right?

Dahoss 04-05-2022 11:48 AM

Also, what dark corner of the web can I find your podcast? Maybe a link to it?

I'd like to soak in all this brilliance further.

Thanks in advance.

knickslions2 04-05-2022 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UncleBenelli (Post 1162692)
Appreciate you always Steve!

May I suggest a Cuban Trifecta method on proposed longshots.

2/3/all boxed.

so, 3,6/5,9,11/ALL box

I utilize for larger fields on big handle days, not sure this race has the depth of long shots to apply this method, but when correct on ticket structure,
A Cuban Trifecta Ticket Pays twice!!

I have successfully hit the last 7 Kentucky Derby Trifectas with this method and 18 of the last 25 triple crown races. I owe the Ticket structure formula lesson to a great capper, like yourself, Mr. Manuel. Often times I have ticket takers tell me you cant bet that. And in some states , you must call out each ticket, as they dont have a box button,..

Good Luck to all , this is such a great time of year.!!

I read this many times and still have no idea how this pays twice as a horse can only finish in 1 position. Im not a big triple player but do play it on derby day.

blackthroatedwind 04-05-2022 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1162888)
I read this many times and still have no idea how this pays twice as a horse can only finish in 1 position. Im not a big triple player but do play it on derby day.

Nobody actually plays like that ( someone may have tried but he went broke a long time ago ). He would have it twice if two of the horses in the first two slots hit the board ( this does NOT have to happen ). If someone did it in a 20 horse Derby field, as he suggested, it would be 144 Box combinations, or 864 combinations ( assuming you want to possibly have it twice ). It's boxing 2x4x18 the way he laid it out ( with neither of the first two horses in the second slot ).

I must be very bored ( and at least a little pathetic ) to have thought this lunacy through. It's a moronic play, especially at a 25% takeout.

jms62 04-06-2022 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1162897)
Nobody actually plays like that ( someone may have tried but he went broke a long time ago ). He would have it twice if two of the horses in the first two slots hit the board ( this does NOT have to happen ). If someone did it in a 20 horse Derby field, as he suggested, it would be 144 Box combinations, or 864 combinations ( assuming you want to possibly have it twice ). It's boxing 2x4x18 the way he laid it out ( with neither of the first two horses in the second slot ).

I must be very bored ( and at least a little pathetic ) to have thought this lunacy through. It's a moronic play, especially at a 25% takeout.

His example is wrong. In order to hit twice don't you need to include his first place picks in slot 2?

Sh*t if I was as dialed in as he to hit 7 Derby Trifecta's in a row. Given his example,I'd take that $864 and play a $144 Exacta 2x3

blackthroatedwind 04-06-2022 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1162900)
His example is wrong. In order to hit twice don't you need to include his first place picks in slot 2?

Sh*t if I was as dialed in as he to hit 7 Derby Trifecta's in a row. Given his example,I'd take that $864 and play a $144 Exacta 2x3

No, they could be in the third slot, and since it's a box it doesn't matter the slot. In his example you would have a 3/5/6 box....and a 6/5/3 box.

This while thing makes my brain hurt.

Dahoss 04-06-2022 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1162902)
No, they could be in the third slot, and since it's a box it doesn't matter the slot. In his example you would have a 3/5/6 box....and a 6/5/3 box.

This while thing makes my brain hurt.

Imagine how Uncle Benelli's brain feels

Dahoss 04-06-2022 08:56 AM

I still want to know how I can listen to this podcast.

If it's anything like this thread the entertainment factor alone would make it worth it.


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