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randallscott35 11-21-2006 08:36 PM

The Greatest Actor To Ever Live?
 
Who do you think? This is mine.




repent 11-22-2006 12:04 AM

well,
at least your selection was in the same film as the greatest actor to ever live.
The Score.

Edward Norton is the greatest actor to ever be seen on film.
the more I watch his movies, the more I realize its not even close.
he has no peers.



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timmgirvan 11-22-2006 12:40 AM

Just off the top of my head...Al Pacino. Young to now...excellent!

repent 11-22-2006 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Just off the top of my head...Al Pacino. Young to now...excellent!

yeah,
his skills have not diminished, but his choices sure have.
he has done just some plain terrible movies with horrible scripts.
sometimes when watching his recent films, all you can think about is how on earth did this great actor ever think this could be a decent film.
same goes for Dinero, chris walken, and dustin hoffman.



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timmgirvan 11-22-2006 01:10 AM

Walken especially...but I'll watch just for his craziness!

repent 11-22-2006 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Walken especially...but I'll watch just for his craziness!


yeah,
thats what I mean,
these guys like Pacino and Walken are as good as ever.
do a great job with the terrible roles they choose for themselves.

I guess not everyone can age like Clint Eastwood.
his directorial accomplishments have given him some help in the later years,
but this guy is the master at making good decisions.
he knows when there is a role for him in his films(Unforgiven, Million Dollar Baby) and when there is not(Mystic River, Flags of Our Fathers).

He is the best director alive and still one of the best actors alive.

if I had to rank current actors-
1.Ed Norton
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2.Johhny Depp
3.Leaonardo DiCaprio
4.Tom Hanks
5.Paul Newman(watch his work in Empire Falls- he is as good as ever)


top actresses-
1.Natalie Portman(finest girl on earth probably, but can also act)
2.Julianne Moore
3.Jena Malone
4.Scarlett Johannson
5.Nicole Kidman



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Seattleallstar 11-22-2006 01:27 AM

Tom Hanks
Kevin Spacey
Pacino
Brando

Natalie Portman
Ashley Judd
Audrey Hepburn

randallscott35 11-22-2006 07:09 AM

Repent,

Norton alltime? C'mon his body of work isn't near long enough.

Leo is one of the current bests. His performance in The Departed deserves an Oscar.

Nicholson deserves some attention here as well.

Hanks is overrated/Spacey is better.

Coach Pants 11-22-2006 08:57 AM

Dolph Lundgren

paisjpq 11-22-2006 09:22 AM

Nicholson...



Coach Pants 11-22-2006 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paisjpq
Nicholson...

Yeah that's my pick. I wasn't serious about Dolph Lundgren, although he has one of the greatest lines in cinema.

paisjpq 11-22-2006 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Yeah that's my pick. I wasn't serious about Dolph Lundgren, although he has one of the greatest lines in cinema.

Arguments can be made for others but it will fall on my deaf ears...I love nearly everything that nicholson has done...I can even forgive him for the 'Witches of Eastwick'

Coach Pants 11-22-2006 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paisjpq
Arguments can be made for others but it will fall on my deaf ears...I love nearly everything that nicholson has done...I can even forgive him for the 'Witches of Eastwick'

Very few actors could've made About Schmidt as brilliant as he did.

Buffymommy 11-22-2006 09:49 AM

OVERRATED? How can you say Tom Hanks is overrated? You smoking the wacky?

MY OPINION:

1. Tom Hanks
2. Jack Nicholson
3. Denzel Washington
4. Dustin Hoffman

somerfrost 11-22-2006 09:55 AM

Really hard question...I don't know if it's easy to separate actors from their vehicles...good movies make good actors while good actors don't necessarily make good movies...I'll list my personal favorites rather than claim they are the "best":
Male:
1) Anthony Hopkins
2) David Boreanz
3) Richard Burton
4) Roy Dupuis
Female:
1) Sarah Michelle Gellar
2) Alyson Hannigan
3) Merryl Streep
4) Juliette Lewis

Zaf 11-22-2006 09:57 AM

I like Nicholson, Deniro, Pacino, but my all time favorite is Christopher Walken.

Buffymommy 11-22-2006 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by somerfrost
Really hard question...I don't know if it's easy to separate actors from their vehicles...good movies make good actors while good actors don't necessarily make good movies...I'll list my personal favorites rather than claim they are the "best":
Male:
1) Anthony Hopkins
2) David Boreanz
3) Richard Burton
4) Roy Dupuis
Female:
1) Sarah Michelle Gellar
2) Alyson Hannigan
3) Merryl Streep
4) Juliette Lewis



Oh I didn't think of Anthony Hopkins. He would be in my top 10 as the best. Ya know I LOVE me some David Somer!

The best women would be (not my personal faves but who I would put towards the top:

1. Lauren Bacall
2. Helen Hunt
3. Diane Keaton
4. Rebecca Johnson (you guys may not know her now, but you will!)

randallscott35 11-22-2006 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buffymommy
OVERRATED? How can you say Tom Hanks is overrated? You smoking the wacky?

MY OPINION:

1. Tom Hanks
2. Jack Nicholson
3. Denzel Washington
4. Dustin Hoffman

I think he is very up and down with some of his performances. Can't get Turner and Hooch out of my memory. Things like that are unforgiveable.

Seattleallstar 11-22-2006 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35
I think he is very up and down with some of his performances. Can't get Turner and Hooch out of my memory. Things like that are unforgiveable.


dont forget The Terminal

Cajungator26 11-22-2006 12:03 PM

Anthony Hopkins for me...

Downthestretch55 11-22-2006 12:58 PM

Stan Laurel
Olliver Hardy
Lou Costello
Rodney Dangerfield
Robin Williams

Kate Hepburn
Mae West
Goldie Hawn
Faye Ray
Irene Ryan

repent 11-22-2006 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35
I think he is very up and down with some of his performances. Can't get Turner and Hooch out of my memory. Things like that are unforgiveable.


ok,
but Randy that is the very reason I included him on my list.
Tom Hanks is a guy who totally redefined himself professionaly at something like the age of 37.
when Hanks was 35, he was a big name and was on the hollywood walk of fame.
yet he was a complete waste of an actor.
appeared in stupid tv shows and did really unoriginal comedic movies.
if he had retired at that point, we would remember him as a bad version of Ben Stiller.

then he makes a distinct career move and stops playing the leading role in comedies.
started with Philadelphia.
horrible movie, but he deserved all the critical acclaim that he recieved for his portrayal of human filth.
then went on to Appolo 13 with RHoward, Saving Private Ryan. The Green Mile, Road to Perdition, Cast Away, Catch Me if You Can, ......
he was awesome in all of those films and really defined them.
can you imagine what any of those films would be like if another actor had played his lead role?
would be like Gladiator without Russel Crowe.
this is a guy that made 2 hours of a man talking to a volleyball seem interesting.

anyway, I just think that few ppl have reinvented themselves as an actor that late in life.


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randallscott35 11-23-2006 12:40 AM

Repent he's made more bad movies than good and the ones he's gotten acclaim for were not very good. He's decent but no the best of alltime. Repent, you don't believe it yourself. Right?

Danzig 11-23-2006 08:04 AM

jimmy stewart
katherine hepburn

more modern....

al pacino
meryl streep

timmgirvan 11-23-2006 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig188
jimmy stewart
katherine hepburn

more modern....

al pacino
meryl streep

Forgot about Jimmy Stewart....he's on my departed list!

Downthestretch55 11-23-2006 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Forgot about Jimmy Stewart....he's on my departed list!

Timm,
Although I love great comedic actors, I think you're correct about Jimmy Stewart. What about Henry Fonda?

timmgirvan 11-23-2006 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Timm,
Although I love great comedic actors, I think you're correct about Jimmy Stewart. What about Henry Fonda?

I don't remember alot of Fondas' movies. I liked Gregory Peck very much.

Danzig 11-23-2006 02:41 PM

henry fonda was an excellent actor. i like his role in mr roberts.. also like greg peck, esp in to kill a mockingbird. one of my favorite books, and they did an excellent job in putting it on the screen.

timmgirvan 11-23-2006 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig188
henry fonda was an excellent actor. i like his role in mr roberts.. also like greg peck, esp in to kill a mockingbird. one of my favorite books, and they did an excellent job in putting it on the screen.

Yeah..those were 2 of my favorite movies

ArlJim78 11-23-2006 02:44 PM

Don't remember so many Fonda movies but one of my all time favorite movies is The Grapes of Wrath. Fonda was terrific in that one.

MinnSkinny 11-23-2006 09:21 PM

No mention of Sean Connery?
Or Morgan Freeman?
Jack Nicholson in a 3 way tie with thise two.
And Happy Thanksgiving to all D Trailers.

randallscott35 11-23-2006 10:53 PM

This is a decent Top 10, agree with some of it,

http://www.theboxset.com/topten.php?list_id=10

Kasept 11-24-2006 06:50 AM

There's about a dozen that have yet to gain so much as a notation here, and I'll put my own list together.. But at the top is the most versatile and gifted actor the screen has known over its' first 100 years..

A career that spanned 6 decades, 100 films, and includes some of the greatest films in American cinema..

BURT LANCASTER (1913-1994)



The Killers (his first film and a first rate thriller.. with Ava Gardner);

From Here to Eternity (endures as one of the best WWII films; his 1st Oscar nom.. with Deborah Kerr in one of the most famous scenes ever shot);

The Rose Tattoo (from Tennessee Williams' stage play.. with Anna Magnani);

The Rainmaker (as 'Starbuck'; with Kate Hepburn);

Sweet Smell of Success (one of the least seen classics in American film; searing script by Ernest Lehman and Cliff Odets; the movie that made Barry Levinson go into film; incredible performances from Lancaster and Tony Curtis);

Gunfight at the OK Corral (one of the quintessential American Westerns, with his long-time best friend and frequent co-star Kirk Douglas);

Elmer Gantry (as fine a film as you'll ever see and the one that earned him his
Oscar; from the Sinclair Lewis novel with a wonderful turn by the brilliant Jean Simmons);

Birdman of Alcatraz (a quiet, introspective performance for his 3rd Best Actor nom);

The Train (a highly under-appreciated Frankenheimer-helmed thriller with Burt as a stationmaster single-handedly plotting to blow up a Nazi transport);

The Swimmer (from the Cheever story, one of the most stunning, disturbing and devastating portrayals of suburban alienation and emptiness EVER put on film. A logical companion to "The Man in the Grey Flannel Suit" and "A Letter to Three Wives" featuring a performance by Lancaster that will haunt viewers);

Go Tell the Spartans (before 'Apocolypse Now' and 'Full Metal Jacket' came this honest portrait of early US involvemwent in Vietnam);

Atlantic City (Burt's 4th Best Actor nod and another feather in his cap as 'Lou', the aging 'has-been/never was' gangster in Louis Malle's bittersweet tale)

Local Hero (a late career role as quirky Knox Oil chief 'Happer' in Bill Forsyth's warm, funny and utterly wonderful 'little' film... Also features a terrific Peter Riegert [Boone in Animal House] in the 'title' role... RUSH to rent if you've never seen it)

Rocket Gibraltar (a bit of a cult favorite, you can hear tributes from Patricia Clarkson, Bill Pullman and Kevin Spacey when they talk about their experience making this family ensemble drama-comedy with screen icon Lancaster)

Field of Dreams (in his last 'big' role, Lancaster steals the show as Moonlight Graham as he introduces himself to a whole new generation of American filmgoers)

Danzig 11-24-2006 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig188
henry fonda was an excellent actor. i like his role in mr roberts.. also like greg peck, esp in to kill a mockingbird. one of my favorite books, and they did an excellent job in putting it on the screen.

also forgot to add a bit of movie trivia with this post.
to kill a mockingbird was the first movie for another fine actor, and another who could arguably be named the best. i don't believe it was a speaking role(i don't remember him saying a WORD), but robert duvall was an excellent boo radley.

repent 11-24-2006 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35
Repent he's made more bad movies than good and the ones he's gotten acclaim for were not very good. He's decent but no the best of alltime. Repent, you don't believe it yourself. Right?


this is tough Randy.
b/c nothing you are saying is incorrect.
if you look at his resume,
he has done more BAD movies than good ones.
you are absolutely right.
but he has gone on an unparrelled streak in the last 10 years that simply is not very common.
how many good actors totally reinvent themselves at that age?

is he one of the 5 best pure actors?
Im not sure, but he brings a presence and humanity to most of his recent roles that other actors simply could not.



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blackthroatedwind 11-26-2006 02:05 AM

I'm just glad " Local Hero " made it into this thread.

I'll take John Turturro.

Kasept 11-26-2006 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I'm just glad " Local Hero " made it into this thread..

Well done A.S., another Local Hero fan. Above and beyond the frequent laughs, ("There's a lunatic on the roof of the building. Shoot. Shoot to kill"), note the great score by Mark Knoefler..


Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I'll take John Turturro.

A vote for the great Turturo... (Wait till Aiden Quinn hears about this..)

SCUDSBROTHER 11-27-2006 08:15 PM

De Niro ..How the man wasn't nominated for his role in "THE FAN" (Gil Renard ..the one n' only)will always be a mystery to me.

SentToStud 11-28-2006 08:23 AM

no particular order...

actors

Lancaster
Crowe
DeNiro
Brando
Nicholson ... 3 wins, 2 BA, 1 BSA. Sure nom/likely win coming for Departed.

actresses

Hepburn. won so many and two were 50 years apart. can't top that, i guess.
V. Leigh
Bergman
B. Davis
N. Wood


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