Weekend Stakes Beyers
 

WO Autumn S (G2): Mighty Heart 91 (Dramedy) J. Carroll/P. Husbands
WO Bessarabian S (G2): Lady Speightspeare 95 (Speightstown) R. Attfield/E. Wilson
WO Maple Leaf S (G3): Skygaze 92 (American Pharoah) M. Casse/P. Husbands

CD Dream Supreme S: Bell's the One 91 (Majesticperfection) N. Pessin/C. Lanerie

DMR Bob Hope S (G3): Messier 86 (Empire Maker) B. Baffert/F. Prat
DMR Desi Arnaz S: Eda 83 (Munnings) B. Baffert/F. Prat

AQU Winter Memories S: Plum Ali 88 (First Samurai) C. Clement/M. Franco
AQU Artie Schiller S: Mandate 94 (Blame) R. Johnston/A. Wolfsont

LRL Smart Halo S: Buy the Best 74 (Tapiture) C. Lynch/J. Rodriguez
LRL James F. Lewis III S: Local Motive 71 (Divining Rod) J. Salzman/J. Acosta
LRL Thirty Eight Go Go S: Miss Leslie 82 (Paynter) C. Gonzalez/A. Cruz

DED Delta Mile S: Flash of Mischief 90 (Into Mischief) K. Broberg/T. Thornton
DED Treasure Chest S: Kela's Turn 80 (Kela) H. Guillory/A. Birzer

RP Slide Show S: Hits Pricey Legacy 68 (Den's Legacy) C. TroutJ. Alvarez
RP Don C. McNeill S: Rowdy Rascal 67 (Den's Legacy) B. Caster/F. Manrrique
RP Silver Goblin S: Fast Breakin Cash 76 (Yes It's True) C. Trout/R. Eramia

CT My Sister Pearl S: Star of Night 74 (Creative Cause) J. Runco/A. Bocachica

MVR Ohio Debutante H: Diva Power 61 (Global Power) G. Johnson/L. Batista

HAW Lightning Jet S: W W Cookie Monster 88 (Ghaaleb) S. Becker/V. Santiago
HAW Powerless S: Racetothefinish 80 (Race Day) S. Becker/V. Santiago

GG Golden Nugget S: Dr Pescado 54 (Fullbridled) F. Rondan/P. Terrero

Mandate DaMonster... Aqueduct is going to be great this winter. I think when I go up I want to be a Vet's agent. I go around from barn to barn hawking my guy's services.

How about the pick 5 getting hit? Amazing!

How about Strategic Bird at Gulfstream in the 6th?

Incredible unless you are an SFH(Super****inHorse)1000 sales guy... the winner of the last unrealistic but bad horses win bad races

:rolleyes:

Jerry must have had this one not Jerry Brown but Jerry the SFH 1000 salesmen

The horse was utterly impossible no matter how you look at it....and that includes sheets players. He likely freaked on the soft turf. There's no real explanation....other than a ridiculous redboard.

The soft turf answer makes a lot of sense. The point of showing the TG's was that the horse had moved into range of contention last time, as opposed to Foster Brooks on here claiming undetectable drugs.

Here's another piece from TG.. Sire Profile (TGI = Thoro-Graph Index, average fig of progeny by sire at age 2, 3, 4, 5+). Blame progeny keep improving with age (15.5, 11.25, 9.5. 9.25) and this gelding is late in his 4yo year, about to turn 5.

Here's Mandate's full PP's as well.. One interesting side note to the effort that hasn't been discussed is that it came without Lasix, his first start ever without it.

WO Autumn S (G2): Mighty Heart 91 (Dramedy) J. Carroll/P. Husbands

AQU Winter Memories S: Plum Ali 88 (First Samurai) C. Clement/M. Franco

DMR Bob Hope S (G3): Messier - (Empire Maker) B. Baffert/F. Prat

HAW Lightning Jet S: W W Cookie Monster - (Ghaaleb) S. Becker/V. Santiago

Steve, have a heart. Cheating happens. The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. That normally happens after you hit rock bottom, like when your wife forgets to buy the Baileys Irish Cream for your morning coffee and you berate her for an hour(not that I have ever done that) or when some ridiculous horse freaks not just wins but runs extraordinary.

30 BSF points in 10 weeks. I guess the dopes that trained him previously just didn't have the horsemanship to unlock his scary talent.

I’m not saying it was something undetectable but he was about as impossible a horse going in as I have ever seen. 15 years ago he would’ve been 200-1. Even Aragona had him 50-1 ML and he rarely does that.

Worth noting who the owner is. Never heard of the trainer but the owner doesn’t exactly use hay and oats guys in Canada.

All in all I think the course was the reason he won. But that was some kind of move up for a horse who struggled in claiming races not too long ago.

Just pathetic. You're insulting a career horseman who just enjoyed the biggest win of his life. This is a low profile guy born into the game and has worked for Schickedanz forever.

Yep, and it's great to see Tom Morley finally applying all of those skills he acquired toiling in the Godolphin education system. Great to see folks rewarded. Another feel-good story, that barn has been really coming together nicely of late.
While I can be two sheets into the wind regularly, that sheet story really told the tale of that tail

Steve, I'm not sure why you feel a need to exhaustively redboard an impossible horse. The problem with your logic is he didn't sneak into this win, get a great trip and take advantage of poor ones by others, as he had easily the toughest trip of anyone in the race, and drew off to a career defining victory in his second start for this trainer, and not that long after being claimed for $25K from Todd Pletcher.

Maybe he freaked on a soft turf. It certainly wouldn't be the first time that has happened. His three prior races on courses listed as good weren't strong, even arguably worse than his firm turf efforts, but a softer course like the one on Saturday may well have been much different and to his liking. Regardless, this is an inexplicable effort. To each their own, but I don't believe there is any logical handicapping argument for him, even after the race. Doesn't mean anything nefarious happened. Sometimes racing produces weird results. Sometimes late season turf courses are friendlier to different horses than summertime courses. Who knows.

Not redboarding anything. Just trying to provide what felt like interesting context to elements of a surprising winner. Like you explaining the soft-ish turf being a logical factor.

Is there an English translation?

Freddy, can you help here?

Interesting conversation. I don't know anything about the race or the trainer and everything I've learned has come from this thread. I think good arguments have been made on both sides. The result was completely unforseeable. That winner may not have been my selection to win even if no other horse was entered. There was absolutely nothing to indicate a performance like that was even possible. When you start looking for reasons why it happened, the soft turf seems like a good one. Something nefarious seems no less like a good reason. Without knowing anything about the individuals involved, I wouldn't make the claim or insinuation that something was done that wasn't on the up and up. I do, however, see how anyone could come to that conclusion and I definitely wouldn't argue with them and tell them they are wrong.

In the end, isn't that the bigger issue? As is the case with so many things, perception often becomes reality. Some people constantly bring up guys like Baffert and Cox and talk about how they cheat and ruin the sport. I counter that I have believed from the start and still do believe that cheating is a regular part of the game so when I get beat by something or someone that I feel like was unfair, I chalk it up to acceptable risk. The perception of the public when it comes to horse racing is that cheating is a regular part of the game. That's why I appreciate the Bob Baffert's of the world. At least they are more apparent with what they do. An old saying is that the enemy you know is better than the one you don't know.

Not sure why every time a unexpected result happens is always stated it’s because of cheating. This kind of result happens from time to time. That’s racing and impossible horses can win especially on turf. The horses last race was decent and there were no world beaters in the field. Whether soft turf, distance or something else who knows. Nothing on form shows anything but that’s not a first for that.

Well for starters...because a lot of cheating goes on. Look at the last few years alone. First we had Navarro and Servis. Then Baffert has a horse test pop in both the Kentucky Oaks and Derby in back to back years. A jockey got caught with a buzzer at Monmouth this summer. I could go on and on.

This was strange because it was a decent field and nothing the horse had ever done came close to this performance. I've been following and betting for 25 years and can't ever recall a horse run 10th in a 25k claimer in August and turn around and win a stake in November. If you follow the NYRA circuit you know Mandate. This was not the same Mandate we had seen for years. He really ran on Saturday and was much the best.

I think the course, which had taken a bunch of rain not long before is the reason. But I also can't fault anyone for thinking something nefarious is the explanation. The reality is the sport has a bad perception right now by those that follow it like we do and by those that don't. Some of it is undeserved...but then again, some of it is absolutely deserved. Maybe the sport as a whole should look inward and try and change that.

It's also worth noting he really ran in the Laurel race. Lifetime best.

So obviously his trainer has figured out how to get the best out of him.

You can listen to him discuss it on ATR. Gave a ton of credit to his assistant trainer. She also is his exercise rider.

No mention of the vet? I am telling you it's time the veterinarian gets some of the accolades.

Ex Pletcher/Potts is a strong angle...

Did he mention being mad at Freddy?

First thing he brought up..