BCS Nat Title game Scenarios
 

This is of course opinionated, but after the OSU win earlier, this is how the Nat Championship should shake out in my eyes-

I have a Big Ten bias. I'm a Minnesota Gopher fan at heart. But I respect the other teams in the conference. And I believe Michigan and Ohio State are the best 2 teams in the nation. BUT! THEY SHOULD NOT REMATCH FOR THE NATIONAL TITLE UNLESS 1 THING HAPPENS.

Why? Because say they do have a rematch for the National Title, and Michigan wins. It totally devalues game one. Beyond being a game with 2 pretty much equally matched opponents, that sucks all the significance out of game 1 (If Michigan were to win the title game)

As for USC. If they win out, they should be in. They might not be the best of the 1-loss teams, but they deserve it more than Arkansas, because they beat Arkansas head to head.

For Florida- If they win the SEC Championship, you can make an argument for them to be in the BCS title game. But it keeps sounding like USC will have the edge over them in the computer rankings if USC wins out.

For Arkansas- Even if they win the SEC Championship, they don't deserve to play for the National Championship unless USC loses. Because USC killed Arkansas at Ark week 1 this year. So even if USC loses, I'd rather see Rutgers (if Rutgers runs the table). But I'd rather see Arkansas than Notre Dame.

For Rutgers- Of course they need to win tonight and then at West Virginia next week. Not only do they have to beat West Virigina, they need to beat them convincingly to make peoples' head turn enough to give these guys a look. There's too many pundits that will never let this Nat Championship scenario happen. But if they go into Morgantown and win by like 10, then people need to seriously consider them.

Louisville and West Virginia. If West Virigina spoils the Rutgers party next week (which I think will happen), both them and Louisville I don't think deserve it. Nice seasons for the top 3 Big East teams, but from top to bottom the conference is still weaker than the other major conferences IMO.

For Notre Dame. If they beat USC next week. I DON'T WANT THEM IN THE NATIONAL TITLE. Then I would wanna see a Michigan and OSU rematch. Michigan whooped Notre Dame at Notre Dame. So it would be a crime if Notre Dame played OSU in the National Championship over Michigan. SO IF NOTRE DAME IS IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT- It'll be a crime to let them play in that game over Michigan. An absoulte crime.

I guess in the end- all scenarios considered- I'd like to see OSU and Florida. Florida had their one hiccup against a damn good Auburn team, in by far the best conference in college football. Reward them for that if they win the SEC Championship. It might not pit the best 2 teams, because as I said, the best 2 teams are Michigan and Ohio State IMO, but you can't devalue game 1 between the 2 if Michigan wins game 2. Not unless they played a 3rd to decide it lol.

USC better get on the stick real fast or that game next week won't mean a damn thing.
To me it doesn't anyway. I really don't see how any computer or person couldn't conclude that Ohio St and Michigan are the two best and should meet in the big game. The fact that Notre Dame(of whom I am a huge fan) is even being mentioned as having a chance is pretty funny. How exactly do you justify putting ND in ahead of a team who beat them to death on their home field?
As far as USC goes, I don't care if they win out or not, their loss was against a non ranked team and there isnt any way that equates to better than Michigan's one loss at Ohio St.
Rutgers is self destructing tonight, Louisville and W VA lost to inferior teams that Mich did. Whose that leave? I guess folks could try and make a case for either Fla or Ark if they win the SEC with one loss, but neither teams loss equates to as "good a loss" as Mich's does.
This thing should be over and done and decided. Mich and Ohio St in a rematch on a neutral field for the whole thing.

As I said, I believe Mich and OSU are the best 2 teams. But you seriously gotta ask yourself- what justice does that do for game 1 if they play game 2, and Michigan wins?

lol forget about Rutgers in the equation... let-down city

Dude there is precdence for this. Fla St beat Florida at home one year and then they met in the deciding game and Florida kicked em up and down the field.
All anyone talked about was how much beter Fla obviously was.
You are acting as if the home field equation with its benefits is the same as a bowl game, its not.
The best two teams should meet.

BOISE STATE vs. OSU on the Blue field for undefeated bragging rights

Of all the teams I have seen, the best team as a total package I have seen is on TV is LSU. And they stink tonight. I have seen no team with the same talent on both sides of the ball at this point in the season. But because they are inconsistent... my assertion does not mean a whole heck of a lot but I thought I would throw it in anyway.

Michigan had Ohio St. try and give them the game with those turnovers. Michigan did not come close to stopping them.

Best job done by a coach this year, Bob Stoops without Adrian Peterson, his starting QB, favorite receiver and a very young offensive line. This is your best coach in college football. Still. Even with his overconfident big loss bowl teams.

I think it is simple:

1) Florida if they win out

2) USC if they win out and Florida loses

3) Arkansas if they win out and USC loses.

4) Michigan

I pretty much agree that while I wouldn't normally put Michigan in the national championship after losing their last game there is no way I could put Notre Dame ahead of them.

Go Irish!!!!!!

I can't wait until USC-ND next week. Should be a barn burner.

Pillow here is where you make your money. Notre Dame will have a very difficult time stopping USC. Quinn has been beating up sissy teams although I think he is a heck of a QB, even better than Troy Smith and I am saying this after the display yesterday. The Irish faithful bet in mass. Cant wait to see this line.

I agree with Oracle on this one. A rematch on a neutral field for all the marbles.

Florida would be my second choice if they win out. Their loss wasn't a bad one and it was on the road.

I really don't get the love for USC. They had several close calls with mediocre competition and lost to an unranked team. I'm a Notre Dame fan and hope they have one more miracle saved for the Trojans. But ND doesn't deserve it either after that Michigan loss at home.

Arkansas, sorry, waxed at home.

Isn't that really the point?
If you are taking a one loss team you have to toss out the teams who lost at home, sorry but you don't deserve to go. I'm a ND fan, as big as they get but ND has absolutely no business even being mentioned in the same sentence as title game. fact is that they lost at home to Michigan, over and out.
USC? You gotta be kidding me right? I mean, they have less claim to it than ND does and ND doesn't have any claim. USC has like less than zero business in there. Newsflash, the overhyped trojans lost to an unranked team, I see no way anyone with a brain who isnt biased could even begin to make a case for them.
Ark lost at home as well, later folks.
Comes down to the Gators as the only other logical alternative over Mich and they lost a tough road game as well in a tough conference. If they win the next two I can understand support for them, but lets face it. A road loss to Auburn(twice beaten) is not the same as a narrow road loss to number one.
Michigan deserves to go, and I think they win the game at a neutral site.
Only team who can make a case besided Mich is the gators. Im a huge ND fan but ND fans and USC fans who say either team has a right to go are pretty dumb. How do you put ND in over the team that trashed em at home? how do you stick USC in there when they got beat by an unranked team in that powder puff conference. The SEC women's volleyball teams are tougher than the PAC-10 guys.

Yeah, I'm thinking that sea of red was worth about three points to the Buckeyes. Maybe more. These teams were one and two going into the game and I saw nothing that should change that. Line 'em up and do it again!

ND is getting no respect from the media and they shouldn't in terms of the title game. But the same media thinks it would be a great accomplishment for USC to beat ND and UCLA (a team that the lowly Irish have beaten).

Let's hope the next two weeks games will fix what the BCS will find a way to mess up otherwise.

Somebody "wise than us" will have to explain the whole USC thing, cause I'm not getting it, not even a little bit.

I do not favor a rematch. Michigan had their shot. You lose, you go to the back of the line just like every other team that has been number 2 this year. The majority of folks that want to see this rematch are folks that favor the Big Ten conference.

i can see michigan remaining at number two. usc's one loss was not to ohio st, but to a lesser team. a rematch could happen, and i don't see any reason why they shouldn't meet just because they met once this year already.

ark will hopefully lose vs lsu next week. if not, then florida should take them to school--of course EVERY week since usc, i've been waiting for them to lose again. ark's chances of getting a title shot are slim to none.

anxiously awaiting the new bcs line. no way usc should move ahead of michigan, not knowing the season both have had. fla shouldn't move up either.

i'm and SEC fan. Lsu is one of the top 3 mosted talented teams in the country. i've said this since week one. if someone can explain the sleep walk Lsu goes into every couple weeks, please do.

USC wins out they play for the NC. USC plays good enough defense, they should beat nd by at least 2 scores.
nd schedule was a joke. they only team they didn't play was st mary's college for girls. the best team they played to this point smacked'em around like a rag-doll (michigan)

it's the gators year they get breaks when they need them. OSU would blew them out. arkansas is a joke too. they've needed trick plays and gimmicks to get where they are.

michigan lost the conference CG, this weekend. they should be out.

OSU, best team in the country. hand'em the trophy now. !


Roll Tide !!

Looks like we are on the road to a rematch. Michigan is #2 in the Harris Poll and #3 in the Coaches poll. They should stay #2 in the computers which means we are looking at Michigan - OSU in the championship unless some voters change their minds in the next couple weeks.

Just another example of why there simply must be a play-off system to determine the national championship. Nothing else will ever be satisfactory. Probably will never happen though...at least not in my lifetime.

Oracle,
I know there's precedence for a rematch because of the whole Florida-FSU rematch a few years ago. But i still don't agree with it.

Go Florida, or go USC. They at this point should get the shot. I still think Michigan is the best team not named Ohio State, but it totally devalues game 1 if you play game 2 and Michigan wins.

what did I watch a diff. game than everyone else?

How many times did Michigan actually stop OSU? ONe flippin time the whole game, ONE FLIPPIN PUNT. OSU layed the ball on the ground for Mich. two times with lousy snaps for short TD's. No way I want to see that again.

Michigan had their chance. Next please. Its done.

Pgardn stick to hoops buddy.
I don't know what game you were watching but Michigan scored at will in the 2nd half and lost a 3 point game in the other teams stadium(if you don't understand the importance of this I can't help you).
Road to the rematch is secure General Sir!!!
Geek on tv said when the new poll comes out the Michigans lead over USC and the others in the two spot will be almost as large as it was.
I'm an ND fan, but i want whats fair and right, and whats fair and right is the rematch.
Pmayjr I have no idea whatsoever why the "validity" of game one matters.
It didnt matter when the Gators came back and crished FSU at a neutral site afetr FSU narrowly beat them in FSU.
The best two teams should play, and the best two teams are OSU and Michigan.
Michigan will win the rematch. Mark that down.

Oracle-
I'm done arguing lol. I like your signature. He was freaknasty.

P.S.- Both you and Pgardn have me faded when it comes to talkin horses, but Pgardn is on crack in this subject and I still don't agree with you on it Oracle. But I'm gonna leave it at that... Because none of us are backing down. Go back to the first post in this thread, my opinions don't change from that.

Michigan stays at #2 in the BCS standings by .007 pts. That being said if Notre Dame goes to LA next week and beats USC, especially if they have a convincing win against USC, the tide will break for Notre Dame in the title game, just because it's Notre Dame.

As unfair as that may be, especially since Michigan took a steaming dump all over ND at South Bend, thats how I see it.

If USC wins and then beats UCLA, I would imagine it's their spot to lose.

Winner of the SEC Championship game has an outside shot, seeing as the SEC should be regarded as the toughest conference in the country. However, Arkansas lost to USC, so if USC goes 2-0 and Arkansas wins the SEC, edge: USC. But if Florida wins, who knows?

Here are the likely match ups:

OSU-USC
OSU-ND
OSU-Arkansas
OSU-Floride
OSU-Michigan

I think the match up of Michigan-Ohio State, although rendering the game yesterday meaningless, is the right match up. They are the best teams in the nation and that's the stated "goal" of the BCS. The schools wanted this and now they can sift through the sh*t of it. A Michigan win would just totally eff things up, but tough cookies. The BCS is what the schools wanted and if it cost them a true champion THEN MAYBE THEY WILL BE CONVINCED TO CHANGE IT.

I can only go by the Colley Matrix since that allows you to add/remove games but it looks like if USC wins out they will move up to 1 or 2 in the computer rankings which will guarantee them a spot. It will be very close for Florida to get ahead of Michigan in the computer polls if they win out so they will almost certainly need to leapfrog Michigan in the human polls which seems unlikely. Notre Dame and Arkansas have absolutely no shot unless they leapfrog Michigan and even then they would have to be significantly ahead of Michigan in votes received which is extremely unlikely. So basically is it Ohio St - Michigan or Ohio St - USC with a slight possibility of Ohio St - Florida.

bcs isn't up to voters, but to a computer. there won't be a split title, the usc claim of part of the title a couple years ago is pure B.S. lsu won it, and share it with no one.

i also don't see florida moving ahead. it would take a miracle for them to get into the title game, same as arkansas....of course the stinking razorbacks have had a miracle year anyway. hopefully lsu will reach up and pull out the horseshoe that nutt shoved up his bum early in the season.

Dixie I have watched both teams play and if USC gets to play OSU they will get beat like a drum, I'm talking blowout city. USC is a joke, they have struggled to beat those dreadful Pac teams and it was all they could do to finally put away Cal at home.
I mean please, look at who they lost to!!!!
I think Notre Dame is going to spoil their party anyway. USC does not have a high powered offense and they have trouble with teams who can score. Notre Dame should run wild on them.
If someone wants to claim Florida played an overall tougher schedule than anyone did, and that their only loss was at Auburn to a respectable team, well I guess I can see the argument there. But USC, Notre Dame, Arkansas all have no business whatsoever even being spoken about in terms of playing the Title game. Sickening.
There's a reason Vegas adds 3-4 points to the team at home in these games. You have to face a hostile crowd that makes it difficult on the offense of the visitor(false starts, can't hear audibles at the line) and home team always gets more calls from the refs. Michigan lost by three in an incredibly hostile atmosphere to the number one team, and is without a doubt one of the best two teams in the country.
This is a completely broken system because if you lose late in the season you get penalized more than a team who loses early. USC gotbeat by an inferior non ranked team, and ND got embarassed at home by Mich and Ark got killed at home as well.
ND beating USC is the key to justice being served.

tha razor backs take aout lsu then the gators...no doubt..

my playoff format:

1) Ohio State vs. 16) Va. Tech
8) U of L vs. 9) LSU

4) Florida vs. 13) Rutgers
5) Notre Dame vs. 12) Texas

2) Michigan vs. 15) Ga. Tech
7) West Virginia vs. 10) Boise State

3) USC vs. 14) Oklahoma
6) Arkansas vs. 11) Wisconsin

subject to change due to loss
3 teams per conference tops
take out the 12th game & conference championship game
as it is in that format a team would play 14
in this format a team would play 15 tops
with only two teams playing in the 1 extra game
why can't it work?

Dude I hope so. If that happens and ND beats USC, the best two teams will meet in a great game, a rematch of another great game.

i have no doubt nd wins and that the backs get it done..

Hooves I watch college football pretty good. Not like I watch racing, but I follow it.
Can you tell me what people see in USC that I ain't seeing? Because man I really don't get it.
I see a team who plays bad teams week in and week out and who struggles offensively when faced with any kind of Defense.
Will tell you this, I don't bet sports, but if USC faces Ohio St in the big game this guy is opening up an online sports betting account and sending it all in on OSU. I've seen both teams play and OSU would beat them like a red headed stepchild. I'm talking 20-30 point blowout.

i dont play claim to be an expert..but..the way the razorbacks play its a easy money deal//they spanked a/u and will beat the gators too..nd is going to beat up on usc..imo

The computer effect on the BCS is now negligible. The computer rankings only account for 1/3 of the BCS ranking. The other 2/3rds are from the human polls. The only way the computer rankings factor in is if two teams are extremely close in the voting in the human polls. If one team is significantly #2 in both polls they will only be passed in the BCS if their computer ranking is 4th or worse.

I'm not sure there's a team in the country, Ohio St included, that can beat LSU and Florida back-to-back, Arky loses 1 if not both
SC plays a lot of young guys who are starting to blossom
these are some of best blue-chip prospects mind you, like CJ Gable
it won't be easy for ND in The Coleseum

Ohio St would clobber either team if they had to play one team at noon and the other at 8 PM.
LSU struggled against Bama and Miss. Dude Ohio St and Michigan both would beat those teams by many many points.

LOL, you're out of your mind
LSU and UF play some of the best defense in the nation
we'll never know if they (OSU) can do it
just know that Arkansas can't