Jerry Bailey calls out Stew E.
 

Did I hear this wrong?:

Jerry Bailey saying we should have had two triple crown winners in the last 10 years if it were not for rides in front of the Nation.

I am almost positive I heard something similar to this. I immediately thought he was calling out Stewart Elliot. But I do not know the other jock he might be referring to. Did anyone else catch this on the telecast. I completely forgot about it, but when he stated this I immediately thought of Smarty Jones and... then I was not sure.

I would imagine the other would be Real Quiet when Kent made the early move. Don't know for sure though....

You are correct, he did say that had it not been for 2 bad rides we would have 2 Triple Crown Winners in the last 10 years.

Did you hear Bailey state my original post on TV?

Nah just taking a guess.

pretty sure it was Real Quiet and KD he was talking about. But not sure he knocked the rider as much as gave examples of riders getting fooled by the track when they haven't ridden over it much (cause they aren't used to the size).

OOps just answered. I was not sure about the numbers but I knew I heard him say something similar. Thanks.

Then Elliot would have to be one of them.

He was speaking in reference to the placement of the horse

yeah elliot definitely screwed up but he let himself be baited into an early speed duel--that Bailey started--and that cost him his race.

So Elliot and Kent D. had their horses poorly placed?
Is this what you get out of that statement?

Not trying to argue. Just remembered. Something to file away in my empty head.

moved too soon. due to inexperience on a 1 1/2 oval, reference points aren.t the same as mile track...thats what I got from JB

yeah he was talking about reference points, I had forgotten that

Another thing that really cost Smarty was being ridden out in the Preakness and winning by 10 lengths. When you know you just had a hard race two weeks before and you know that you're going to have another hard race in 3 weeks, the smart thing to do is to take a nice tight hold of the horse and cruise home by 3-4 lengths. Why ask the horse and win by 10 lengths? That just knocks the horse out. In fairness to Elliot, there are very few jockeys that wouldn't have done the same thing that Elliot did. Most jockeys don't think about saving the horse for their next race. One jockey that was extremely smart and who would often times save the horse for their next race was Jerry Bailey. Do you remember Bailey's ride on Saint Liam in the Woodward? That was the horse's final race before the BC Classic. Bailey never asked the horse. He won under a strangle-hold. That is the way to do it. If you could win every race like that, your horse might last forever. I think of it like a lemon. You don't want to squeeze the lemon dry. When you ask a horse for all he's got, you're sqeezing all the juice out of the lemon.

So if Bailey is saying Stewie moved too soon or went too fast, what does that say about Rock Hard Ten's placement..either he admits he went too fast himself, or he admits his only purpose was to sabotage Smarty, which is what I believe happened.

Regardless of what he meant, I think Bailey is a tremendous addition to the broadcast. He may come across as being arrogant, but the guy earned the right to be arrogant by winning all of those Grade 1 races. The best thing about him is that he isn't afraid to share a controversial opinion or call somebody out. He may not be making friends, but he sure makes it interesting.

Don't get me wrong--I am a HUGE fan of Bailey and I love what he has brought to the broadcast, and I agree he absolutely sabotaged Smarty.

Bailey was not on Rock Hard Ten in the Belmont. Bailey was on Eddington. Solis rode RHT. If I remeber correctly, I believe that both RHT and Eddington pressured SJ early. By the way, they went much slower than Bob and John. Smarty went :48 3/5 in the Belmont. Bob and John went :47 1/5.

both of broadcastings newest personalities ganged up on stewie...

Pat,
I didn't hear the quote, but I was at both Real Quiet"s and Smarty's races.
Both were way different.
Kent D moved Real Quiet much too early. He thought others were coming at him much sooner than they did, and he used up his horse accordingly.
Stewart Elliot had all of them coming at him from the moment they made the first turn. The jocks took turns trying to rattle him. He fought off like four challenges, and tried to save something for that long stretch run.
That one was a "gang-up". When Smarty had been used up, Birdstone came.
Imho...Kent D showed a "stupid ride". Stew E had no choice.
Didn't RHT and Eddington take a shot too?

DTS

How many Triple Crowns has Bailey won? This would be like Andy Roddick criticizing Roger Federer in his bid to win the French Open yesterday. Bailey is being a schmuck. Of course he takes great pride in the Smarty defeat. He played a big factor in it.

Gander, I know what you're saying, but isn't it their job to bring up these points? If only MVP's and TC winners could criticize, then sports shows would be very boring or we would lose a lot of programs.

Well, you can bet your bottom dollar one of them was Kent on Real Quiet. But it wasn't moving too early, it was not watching his back as Vic Gallop was creeping in, I think he had enough gas in the tank to hold him off, just didn't see him comming. As for the other, McCarron said it himself, he Fed up the ride on Alysheba, so it could have been him.

Smarty was the one. I don't know that I ever would have considered Real Quiet an all time great so that worked itself out.

All time great or not, he was waltzing matilda down the stretch and got clipped at the end, he did not see him comming.

RQ was totally gassed and Desormeaux knew it. He intentionally steered him off the rail to impede Victory Gallop and the stewards went on record as saying they would have taken him down if VG didn't get his nose on the wire first. Imagine the uproar over that, first Triple Crown in 22 years getting dq'd, no matter how obvious it was.

Alysheba lost the Belmont by about 10 lengths. Van Berg has criticized McCarron's ride and thinks that Alysheba should have been on the lead. I don't care where McCarron had the horse. He lost the race by 10 lengths. If he would have been 3 lengths closer to the lead, do you think that would have made up 10 lengths? Van berg's criticism of McCarron's ride is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. If Alysheba would have had a jet engine underneath him, he still would not have beaten Bet Twice that day.

This is dead on. If I remember correctly Bailey specifically stated he and someone else were going to run up Smarty Jones and Elliot to goad them into a speed duel, because they knew Smarty was tough to handle.

I can almost guarantee Bailey was smiling all the way to the jocks room when Birdstone came up and nipped Smarty at the line.

Bailey is really mean. He was just jealous of stewart elliot and smarty. He made smarty lose on purpose. That was really mean.:mad:

Yeah, Bailey was talking about his own ride on Smarty.

Jerry can be a nice guy when he wants to, but deep down, he's a jealous prick who can't stand to see anyone have glory but him.

I am no Bailey fan at all, BUT I do have to defend him a little for the 04 Belmont. If he had allowed a 1/5 shot like Smarty have an uncontested lead in a race (especially a horse that he knows is tough to handle) he would not have been doing his job. I don't think he was JUST trying to beat Smarty Jones, I think he was trying to win the race with Eddington. Bailey didn't just try to engage in an all-out speed duel. He pressed the pace, forced Smarty to work early, and then he tried to settle Eddington in behind the pace. Are you guys really suggesting that Bailey was more interested in beating Smarty then winning the race himself? No way. He was trying to win the race (which is his job) and in order to do that he knew he had to beat Smarty Jones.....so he tried to do that. Just like any other race where a horse is a HUGE favorite, all of the other jocks are going to try to compromise that horse in some way....if they don't, they aren't doing their job.

I dont think Bailey was thinking of Elliott at all. The two horses that came to mind were Real Quiet and Charismatic. Antleys ride on Charismatic wasnt that good at all. Now what Antley did after the finish line was simply amazing.

Why do you think Bailey never rode Eddington again?

His instructions that day were not to press the pace with Eddington. That was Purge's job.

If he were really just trying to win the race, why would Hennig permanently have him taken off the horse afterwards?

By the way, I suggest you watch the race again...Smarty wasn't on the lead through the first half-mile...Purge was. So I don't know how he could have gotten an "uncontested lead" when he wasn't even up front...Purge then stopped after four furlongs and Bailey sacrificed Eddington make sure Smarty didn't get away after Purge quit...there's no rider alive who goes into the Belmont with a plan to make their move with one mile to go...

He knew what he was doing...he was trying his best to deny Smarty, and more importantly, Stewart Elliott, the Triple Crown.

Joey, welcome back bro. Good to see you again.

Same here, Kev...

I try not to get suckered into this debate, but that race still really irks me.

I hear ya there. Im not here to debate it either. Just wanted to say hello. Been a while.

Yes Purge was on the lead early but he folded early like you say, which would have left Smarty alone on the lead down the backstretch. As for Bailey being taken off the horse, maybe the trainer just thought he needed a change, or he might have believed (as you do) that Jerry Bailey is a jockey who purposely compromises his own horse's chances in G1 races. That doesn't mean that he is right.
Listen I know I'm in the minority on this one, and I wanted Smarty to win it too. I just think Bailey made a strategic decision that he thought would help him win.

Dude no one takes Jerry Bailey off a horse "just to make a rider switch." Bailey had instructions and he disobeyed them. But whatever, you're entitled to your opinion.

This is right on, Bailey as presumptious as he is and as much of a jerk he sometimes seems to be, he is no dope...so if Purge bit it on the early lead, and Smarty took over why would Bailey worry. Why wouldnt he just put Eddington up under Purge if that was the case and make a run with his own horse when Purge backed up? Bailey disobeyed the orders of the trainer and knew it and disobeyed them for likely what Ateam is stating here.

Also, I've met Stew Elliott and he's a pretty nice guy. Why anyone would not want to see the man succeed is beyond me.

That being said his ride in the Belmont left something to be desired, if he had taken an approach like Jeremy Rose did with Afleet Alex, the TC drought would have been over. But, who knows, maybe Stew couldnt handle Smarty enough to get him to settle.

van berg was right ....... he strangled him the whole way, it was brutal.

Bailey actually made a reference to the 04 Belmont ride on two ocassions on the broadcast. Once was the 2x in 10 years comment and the other and I forget the quote was flat out directed at the 04 Belmont....