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eurobounce 11-15-2006 11:41 AM

Top 4 2 year olds in your opinion
 
1) Street Sense
2) Chase City
3) Circular Quay
4) Horse Greeley

BellamyRd. 11-15-2006 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
1) Street Sense
2) Chase City
3) Circular Quay
4) Horse Greeley

where's Wonderful? I'm not sold on Sense, no matter how many lengths he won by~2 y/o champ, but no derby slam dunk, well it never is

Cunningham Racing 11-15-2006 11:48 AM

Colts I suppose you mean:

1) Street Sense
2) Scat Daddy
3) Nobiz Like Shobiz
4) Tiz Wonderful

...have been the most impressive to me to this point....tough to say, as I still think many of the better horses of this generation probably have yet to run....certainly, Minefield and Napa Cat and some other allowance types to this point have a lot of talent....I still think some forgotten horses who are hurt like Run Alex Run are very talented too...Great Hunter is the only colt on the West coast that I think is genuine so far...

eurobounce 11-15-2006 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BellamyRd.
where's Wonderful? I'm not sold on Sense, no matter how many lengths he won by~2 y/o champ, but no derby slam dunk, well it never is

I agree. He definately does not have the running style to win the Derby. If he is that far back in the Derby there is no way he passes 18 or 19 horses. But he loves Churchill, should get better and if they can get more speed in him then he could be dangerous. I really really LOVE Chace City.

eurobounce 11-15-2006 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing
Colts I suppose you mean:

1) Street Sense
2) Scat Daddy
3) Nobiz Like Shobiz
4) Tiz Wonderful

...have been the most impressive to me to this point....tough to say, as I still think many of the better horses of this generation probably have yet to run....certainly, Minefield and Napa Cat and some other allowance types to this point have a lot of talent....I still think some forgotten horses who are hurt like Run Alex Run are very talented too...

You know, I think Tiz Wonderful is a talented horse. He will prob be better than a couple in my top 4. But right now, I would have to leave him out. Nobiz Like Shobiz just hasnt shown me enough yet. But those two have great potential. Prob more so that Quay and Greeley.

SniperSB23 11-15-2006 11:51 AM

1) Street Sense
2) Great Hunter
3) Green Vegas
4) Tiz Wonderful

Notional could move on there shortly but I can't put him on there off of one maiden race.

eurobounce 11-15-2006 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
1) Street Sense
2) Great Hunter
3) Green Vegas
4) Tiz Wonderful

Notional could move on there shortly but I can't put him on there off of one maiden race.

Can you tell me a little about Green Vegas? I do not know much about him.

Cunningham Racing 11-15-2006 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
You know, I think Tiz Wonderful is a talented horse. He will prob be better than a couple in my top 4. But right now, I would have to leave him out. Nobiz Like Shobiz just hasnt shown me enough yet. But those two have great potential. Prob more so that Quay and Greeley.

Its so early to tell which are genuine at this point...sveral will fizzle out and several will maure into better, abd then even more will surface in a few months as 3-year-olds....beware or Darley's expensive babies, as I hear they are LOADED for the Gulfstream meet with their best 2-year-old maidens....

Hell, Bernie Flint's colt is a helluva runner...the Unbridled Express horse....his problem is that he is an Unbridled's Song - thus he has major soundness issues...But he can REALLY run....

Cajungator26 11-15-2006 11:56 AM

1.) Scat Daddy
2.) Street Sense
3.) Chace City
4.) Tiz Wonderful

Crazy as it sounds, I still think Unbridled Express is your 2007 Kentucky Derby winner. :D

Cunningham Racing 11-15-2006 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Can you tell me a little about Green Vegas? I do not know much about him.

I can because I cover him frequently and have seen him race live....ahhh, he's nice, but is he nice against FL-breds.....we'll leave it at that :D

Cunningham Racing 11-15-2006 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
1.) Scat Daddy
2.) Street Sense
3.) Chace City
4.) Tiz Wonderful

Crazy as it sounds, I still think Unbridled Express is your 2007 Kentucky Derby winner. :D

I love your #1 :D .....and you certainly have a colt with plenty of talent if you like Unbridled Express to win the Derby because that horse trains like a freight train in the mornings ta CD - but I think he is pretty unsound...

Cajungator26 11-15-2006 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing
I love your #1 :D .....and you certainly have a colt with plenty of talent if you like Unbridled Express to win the Derby because that horse trains like a freight train in the mornings ta CD - but I think he is pretty unsound...

Probably so... most of the Unbridled Song's are, albeit extremely talented. Do you know if he's crooked? If they play their cards right and keep him sound, you never know... :cool:

SniperSB23 11-15-2006 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Can you tell me a little about Green Vegas? I do not know much about him.

Florida bred that is yet to step up and take on the big boys. I think he'll be a good one but he has a lot to prove although he's won twice over a mile already.

Kasept 11-15-2006 12:05 PM

Street Sense
No Biz Like Shobiz
Great Hunter
Circular Quay/Scat Daddy (Since one of them will get hurt)

Honorable Mention: C P West

Seattleallstar 11-15-2006 12:06 PM

Circular Quay
one of the sales toppers the Sheiks bought
some horse in Ballydoyle that is to emerge
some horse in Philly Park
the green monkey

Cannon Shell 11-15-2006 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
I really really LOVE Chace City.

I believe that Chase City is finished.

eurobounce 11-15-2006 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I believe that Chase City is finished.

Where did you read that? I know they werent going to race him anymore as a 2 year old after his last race. Put I didnt know he was injured.

Cunningham Racing 11-15-2006 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Probably so... most of the Unbridled Song's are, albeit extremely talented. Do you know if he's crooked? If they play their cards right and keep him sound, you never know... :cool:

GORGEOUS body from the knees up, but unfortuantely he is crooked and not a good mover :(

Cajungator26 11-15-2006 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing
GORGEOUS body from the knees up, but unfortuantely he is crooked and not a good mover :(

That's a shame... imagine what these Unbridled's Song babies could do if they were actually built straight. Is Octave crooked like that too?

Cannon Shell 11-15-2006 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Where did you read that? I know they werent going to race him anymore as a 2 year old after his last race. Put I didnt know he was injured.

Did not read it but it is true. Major problem. I'll see if it is ok to say without putting anyone in a bad spot.

Cunningham Racing 11-15-2006 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
That's a shame... imagine what these Unbridled's Song babies could do if they were actually built straight. Is Octave crooked like that too?

She is actually okay but from what I've seen, but I didn't look at her closely in the CD paddock when she broke her maiden earlier this summer....she reaches straight out when she runs so she isn't as hard on herself as many of the Unbridled's Songs - so she has that going for her...

smartyalex 11-15-2006 12:25 PM

in my opinion
 
I am still a firm believer in Officer Rocket! Look at his previous wins before the Iriquois. He was displaced in his last race and is back to form......he had an excellent 5/8 work yesterday. His time in the SLOPPY Arlington-Washinton futurity was a hair off Tiz Wonderful's win on a fast track. Just my two SENSE!

eurobounce 11-15-2006 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Did not read it but it is true. Major problem. I'll see if it is ok to say without putting anyone in a bad spot.

Thank you Cannon. Any info would be great. I have liked this horse all year.

blackthroatedwind 11-15-2006 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Thank you Cannon. Any info would be great. I have liked this horse all year.

I feel like this was reported in DRF while we were still at Saratoga...if not shortly thereafter.

eurobounce 11-15-2006 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I feel like this was reported in DRF while we were still at Saratoga...if not shortly thereafter.

I totally missed it if it was posted. Black--did you see the Stu Unger movie?

lemoncrush 11-15-2006 01:06 PM

My top 5 would be:

Tiz Wonderful
Les Grand Trois
Street Sense
Circular Quay
EZ Warrior

I also second Kasept's honorable mention of CP west. I think he's gonna be a factor next spring for Zito.

The Bid 11-15-2006 01:40 PM

Westwon is better than any listed.

kentuckyrosesinmay 11-15-2006 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing
Colts I suppose you mean:

1) Street Sense
2) Scat Daddy
3) Nobiz Like Shobiz
4) Tiz Wonderful

...have been the most impressive to me to this point....tough to say, as I still think many of the better horses of this generation probably have yet to run....certainly, Minefield and Napa Cat and some other allowance types to this point have a lot of talent....I still think some forgotten horses who are hurt like Run Alex Run are very talented too...Great Hunter is the only colt on the West coast that I think is genuine so far...

That's my top four too. I guess that great minds think alike. LOL.

Of course, I would put Scat Daddy in the number 4 spot, and move Nobiz Like Showbiz and Tiz Wonderful up after his performance in the BC Juvy. Still, I think that Scat Daddy is a little bit better animal than he showed in that race. I'm not sure if he is going to love added distance though.

I also still like CP West (not giving up on this guy yet), Day Pass, and a colt named Westwon in addtion to the others that you mentioned. I'm missing some...maybe I willl think of them later.

But my favorite two year old right now is Zada Belle. That filly is going to go on to do GREAT things. I'm a huge fan already. LOVE HER!

I also love a filly named Successful Outlook (Orientate). I think that she is that Asmussen filly that I have mentioned before.

kentuckyrosesinmay 11-15-2006 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
Westwon is better than any listed.

Ah, I see that someone else did mention Westwon. He is a very intriguing chestnut colt with a beautiful blaze. I like his type, and he is improving.

The Bid 11-15-2006 02:02 PM

Yes, hes a monster, look for him come derby time. Big beautiful Gone West

Buffymommy 11-15-2006 02:03 PM

I haven't been looking that closely at the 2 yr olds yet, but from what I have seen, I really like Great Hunter. I am looking forward to seeing if this horse can improve next year.

P.S. I also like Dreaming of Anna. She is going to make Gorella work next year. :)

And does anyone else think Octave looks like another filly that I am known to love... :)

Cajungator26 11-15-2006 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy
I haven't been looking that closely at the 2 yr olds yet, but from what I have seen, I really like Great Hunter. I am looking forward to seeing if this horse can improve next year.

P.S. I also like Dreaming of Anna. She is going to make Gorella work next year. :)

And does anyone else think Octave looks like another filly that I am known to love... :)

Buffy, I like Great Hunter too... I'm just wondering how much this colt will actually improve. He's been so consistent all season that it makes you wonder if he'll be able to have that jump from this year to next year as a 3 year old. He's definitely paid for himself, that's for sure... I think he was a $30k KEE Sept '05 colt. I like to see ones like him do well. :D

Teuflesberg is another colt that's got great action IMO. I doubt he'll be a legit derby contender, but I think he'll improve next year as a 3 year old. He moves great.

The Bid 11-15-2006 02:27 PM

He will be fine, hes at the end of his wick right now. Real Heavy campaign. He will be out until the real noise starts for the Derby.

brianwspencer 11-15-2006 02:29 PM

Based on performance this year:
1. Street Sense
2. Dreaming of Anna
3. Tiz Wonderful
4. Circular Quay

Based on how I think they will turn out as 3yo
1. Street Sense
2. Dreaming of Anna
3. Officer Rocket
4. CP West.

The Bid 11-15-2006 02:37 PM

You had better just throw Westwon in there to be safe. Hes much better than all youve mentioned with the exception of Street Sense.

brianwspencer 11-15-2006 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
You had better just throw Westwon in there to be safe. Hes much better than all youve mentioned with the exception of Street Sense.

I've been watching him, but he hasn't proven anything yet at all -- he may very well end up as good as the others, but not yet and hasn't proven that he will be.

I think Officer Rocket is going to get overlooked much of next year.

zippyneedsawin 11-15-2006 02:49 PM

Anyone who doesn't have Circular Quay on their list (as of now) is kooky! here's my list:


1) Circular Quay
2) Tiz Wonderful
3) Street Sense
4) NoBiz

Rupert Pupkin 11-15-2006 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
No one mentioned Day Pass, an impressive Belmont Park debut winner about six or eight weeks ago. Blew the start, then blew by his field. He beat a well-bred stablemate by about two lengths, I think.

He has a sprinty pedigree, but a look at recent Derby winners suggest others with similar pedigrees might be Triple Crown factors.

Day Pass has run twice. After his impressive debut, he came back 4 weeks later and won a $100,000 stakes race very impressively.

Rupert Pupkin 11-15-2006 02:55 PM

Reddam recently turned down $5 million for Notional. I will give you all one guess as to who made the offer. I'll give you a hint. It starts with a "D".


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