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declansharbor 01-23-2019 08:01 PM

Let’s DU-ET !! Pegasus Day Handicapping Thread
 
Anybody here care to delve into each and every race on the card? I printed out the pp’s and I’m jumping IN tonight. This is a terrific card, and I can’t wait until Saturday.

Let’s get a show of hands here from the usual characters, but let’s mix in some new blood if we can!

Rock? Bama? jms? Herk? Byk? Gus? NTamm? Joey? Casp? Serling?!? All are welcome here obviously, but let’s have healthy conversations regarding the P5’s, Rainbow6, and of course the two main races!

I’ll start it off with the first horse you see when opening up the form. Race 1, horse 1, Olympic Runner. Watch a replay of his debut on YouTube, Paco found trouble for this one every single step of the stretch run. 7/2 on the morning line for Saturday and stretches out from 5 panels to 8.5. He looked ready to RUN in his debut, but Paco couldn’t tip him off the rail once the hole closed up.

LETS HEAR IT FOLKS - - LETS TACKLE THESE RACES AND GET PAIIIID!. I’m ready for an all night discussion if that’s what it takes! Rock & Rollllllll Babycakes!

RHT2004 01-23-2019 09:12 PM

The 1st feels like 1,4,6 to me. Nothing clever.

RHT2004 01-23-2019 09:13 PM

3rd... 4 is a stone cold single.

RHT2004 01-23-2019 09:18 PM

4th.... 1,6 look live about 3 other's can win. Totally against the 4. I hope he's crushed, dont like him at all.

declansharbor 01-23-2019 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1120870)
3rd... 4 is a stone cold single.

Because of the cutback to 5 furlongs? Or bc you like him to sit just off of Matties’ horse and pounce turning for home? He’ll have to hold off Stormy Liberal who looks to have a perfect setup here.

That said, I agree with the 4 being my most likely winner here. I’ll be playing the logical horses up top and keying the 2 Oak Bluffs to get up late for 3rd or 4th. A heavy SUPER play might be in store.

knickslions2 01-23-2019 10:02 PM

Although I wasn’t included in the list of elite I’ll give my opinion on first race as it’s only one I looked at so far. Paco and the 1 horse look like they will get frisky and try to go coast to coast. Don’t see it happening. 2 and 6 look like the ones to beat here and expect either to win.

declansharbor 01-23-2019 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1120869)
The 1st feels like 1,4,6 to me. Nothing clever.

While I obviously think the 1 is a major player, he’ll be bumping up in class, when the horse to his immediate right is dropping a peg. Could be running on late, esp if the fractions here are hotter than the one he faced in his debut.

I’m definitely looking hard at the Chad of course, and we’d be idiots if we leave off Saez’s mount and he pops at first asking.

declansharbor 01-23-2019 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1120874)
Although I wasn’t included in the list of elite I’ll give my opinion on first race as it’s only one I looked at so far. Paco and the 1 horse look like they will get frisky and try to go coast to coast. Don’t see it happening. 2 and 6 look like the ones to beat here and expect either to win.

LMAO

Knicks, I seriously had a brain fart when it was time to name some heavy hitters. You’re right up there with the best this board has to offer, and I ALWAYS look forward to your insight. It’s always welcome.

Let’s burn that midnight oil!

knickslions2 01-23-2019 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 1120876)
LMAO

Knicks, I seriously had a brain fart when it was time to name some heavy hitters. You’re right up there with the best this board has to offer, and I ALWAYS look forward to your insight. It’s always welcome.

Let’s burn that midnight oil!

I’m just picking on ya lol

declansharbor 01-23-2019 10:12 PM

If it makes anyone feel better, I played a $120 / 6 team parlay tonight.

Celts, Nets, Sixers, Wisconsin, Maple Leafs, aaaaaaand the BUM A$$ Pelicans, that POS franchise!

5 of 6 gets me back a whole lotta nothing!!!, except for some heartache. Really could’ve used the $1,000+ shot in the arm to hold me over for Pegasus Weekend. I had a settlement push back until Tuesday and was relying on that to jump in the deep end of the Pegasus pool on Saturday. Now, I’m down to spinning up the $100 and change I have left in my phonebet acct or I’m forced to tell my better half that I need some ‘walking around money to the tune of a thou or so’.

If these are my last posts on this website for a while, check on my well-being please!:D

declansharbor 01-23-2019 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1120874)
Although I wasn’t included in the list of elite I’ll give my opinion on first race as it’s only one I looked at so far. Paco and the 1 horse look like they will get frisky and try to go coast to coast. Don’t see it happening. 2 and 6 look like the ones to beat here and expect either to win.

I, too, see Paco trying to take control early, but it scares me that Saez will be piloting a horse that has the ability to flash some speed. Seems like he’s been placing every mount of his perfectly and I give a ton of credence to that.

Chad’s numbers are hysterically good with Turf routers debuting over a mile. All you can do is laugh when you see the consistency he has with this sort.

Interesting race to kick off the P5 for sure. I’d LOVE to get through this one using 3 or less horses, bc I feel race’s 4 & 5 it would be best to cast a wider net if possible. Try to limit the number of horses used in this race and the Turf Sprint too, obviously.

declansharbor 01-23-2019 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1120871)
4th.... 1,6 look live about 3 other's can win. Totally against the 4. I hope he's crushed, dont like him at all.

I’m with you in trying to beat the 4 in the third race. If Saez doesn’t ride the hair off of Bodexpress for the entire trip and can get him to relax in a nice position, the 3 horse could be in a nice spot on the turn for home if he’s good enough.

I don’t expect much from the Pletcher on the outside. If that horse was anything remotely special he wouldn’t have raced at Tampa in a 25k MSW in the slop. Could be me overthinking things of course, but I like the Union Rags Pletcher horse with Prat up.

This race could produce a nice price......and a horse or two to keep our eyes on in the future.

Alabama Stakes 01-24-2019 12:27 AM

Race 1
 
In the first the 11 hoss by War front with a couple of turf winners out of the mare working well looks good to me. 11/ 6-12. I’m gonna use some bombs in the super underneath as 7-8-9-14 all have a fighting chance at 15 or 20-1 morning line.
Super
11
6-12
6-7-8-9-12-14
6-7-8-9-12-14

In the pick 5
11-12
4-6-9
3-4
3-7-8-9
2-3-4

casp0555 01-24-2019 05:42 PM

First, I am totally flattered to be even mentioned in this thread let alone with some really great handicappers. You use your adjectives and Ill use mine. I have been trying to refine my wagering to 3-6 wagers a day/card lately and Im okay with that. More watching and learning than gambling on each race.
I looked at Race 1 and have to say I am interested in the 9, Travelin. Looks like he walked out of the gate in his debut and on the off the turf next out was put on the lead and ran decent. Nice little work on the turf tucked in there before that second race too. I like Rosario IF he can get to the turn before Paco and control the pace, he may have a chance. A lot of ifs but at 20/1 Ml, I may drop a dime on him

declansharbor 01-24-2019 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by casp0555 (Post 1120897)
First, I am totally flattered to be even mentioned in this thread let alone with some really great handicappers. You use your adjectives and Ill use mine. I have been trying to refine my wagering to 3-6 wagers a day/card lately and Im okay with that. More watching and learning than gambling on each race.
I looked at Race 1 and have to say I am interested in the 9, Travelin. Looks like he walked out of the gate in his debut and on the off the turf next out was put on the lead and ran decent. Nice little work on the turf tucked in there before that second race too. I like Rosario IF he can get to the turn before Paco and control the pace, he may have a chance. A lot of ifs but at 20/1 Ml, I may drop a dime on him

Good stuff Casp, I’m sure Miss DeVaux, who used to post here, would just LOVE that outcome. I, too, liked the way Traveling looked in the shortened field last time out. Has every right to improve on the turf and good very well sir a nice trip with Rosario aboard.

Tough, tough sequence to kick the card off! Throw in some bad weather and we might have ourselves a few headscratcher results! I’m stoked as can be for Saturday!

declansharbor 01-25-2019 06:43 PM

CRICKETS CRICKETS!!

Congrats to SethCarter (Seth) for hitting the Oaklawn P3 for races 6-8! Nice shot in the arm for tomorrow, but would have been WAYYY better had the 12 horse won race 7 @ odds of 55-1+. Oooof!

Great capping Seth!

Now let’s rock and roll tomorrow with this Pegasus card. Let’s cross our fingers that the full fields hold up with the weather.

Who’s got a single tomorrow? And why?! Let’s hear it folks. I’m torn between City of Lights and Coal Front as far as singles go. Let’s hope they both don’t win, as we’ll be looking for grande prices!


RAMP IT UP FELLAS (AND LADIES) !! LFGGGGGG

declansharbor 01-25-2019 06:49 PM

If Kenneally and Irad Win the opener tomorrow, i’ll Definitely be on for the ride.

Raison Martini’s turf work on 12/22 (:46.1 3/50) screams that he’s ready and his subsequent works tells me that Eddie and Co. like what they saw that day so they wanted him to slow things up next time.

Cheapest horse in the race could light up the tote tomorrow.

Let’s hear it folks!

knickslions2 01-25-2019 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 1120943)
CRICKETS CRICKETS!!

Congrats to SethCarter (Seth) for hitting the Oaklawn P3 for races 6-8! Nice shot in the arm for tomorrow, but would have been WAYYY better had the 12 horse won race 7 @ odds of 55-1+. Oooof!

Great capping Seth!

Now let’s rock and roll tomorrow with this Pegasus card. Let’s cross our fingers that the full fields hold up with the weather.

Who’s got a single tomorrow? And why?! Let’s hear it folks. I’m torn between City of Lights and Coal Front as far as singles go. Let’s hope they both don’t win, as we’ll be looking for grande prices!


RAMP IT UP FELLAS (AND LADIES) !! LFGGGGGG

I’m going bold and singling the 6 in race four (unless I change my mind sleeping). Its one of those races where many seem the same so I’m going to take a stand. I love Violence young horses and this is is perfect spot for me. Plus race 5 needs plenty of coverage and I like a few in race 2.

Alabama Stakes 01-25-2019 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1120950)
I’m going bold and singling the 6 in race four (unless I change my mind sleeping). Its one of those races where many seem the same so I’m going to take a stand. I love Violence young horses and this is is perfect spot for me. Plus race 5 needs plenty of coverage and I like a few in race 2.

To me he was so MOTO that it just felt wrong. Selling for $725 making him the second of 86 Violence sold in 2017. I know he’s a hot stallion. He’s working well. Brown has good numbers in this spot, unlike Pletcher and Mott who also have firsters. He figures to be played heavily if he’s the goods. Not my cup of tea.

knickslions2 01-25-2019 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1120951)
To me he was so MOTO that it just felt wrong. Selling for $725 making him the second of 86 Violence sold in 2017. I know he’s a hot stallion. He’s working well. Brown has good numbers in this spot, unlike Pletcher and Mott who also have firsters. He figures to be played heavily if he’s the goods. Not my cup of tea.

Still think 4 will be favorite but I gotta single somewhere and of the first 5 races he’s my choice. I couldn’t separate a bunch of others in this race so its logical for me. Good luck tomorrow

declansharbor 01-25-2019 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1120950)
I’m going bold and singling the 6 in race four (unless I change my mind sleeping). Its one of those races where many seem the same so I’m going to take a stand. I love Violence young horses and this is is perfect spot for me. Plus race 5 needs plenty of coverage and I like a few in race 2.

Singling ANY entry in race 4 certainly is bold! You’re more brave than I am, Tom! I hope you get paid off for sticking with the Violence horses, they really are running well!

Let’s crush it tomorrow!

casp0555 01-26-2019 07:47 AM

If I play Race 4, my wager will be an exacta 3,6/3,4,6.... the 4 hasn't learned to pass anybody but if the 6 gets bet down to 3/2 or 2/1 then I'll do some thing else possibly single into a double or P3

this is going to be fun...and Sam Houston tomorrow:)

Kasept 01-26-2019 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1120950)
I’m going bold and singling the 6 in race four (unless I change my mind sleeping). Its one of those races where many seem the same so I’m going to take a stand. I love Violence young horses and this is is perfect spot for me. Plus race 5 needs plenty of coverage and I like a few in race 2.

Clocker Report.. FYI. FWIW..




Kasept 01-26-2019 08:03 AM

WEATHER NOW LOOKS TO BE A FACTOR WITH RAIN ALREADY HITTING AND EXPECTED OFF/ON THROUGHOUT THE DAY

RHT2004 01-26-2019 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1120965)
WEATHER NOW LOOKS TO BE A FACTOR WITH RAIN ALREADY HITTING AND EXPECTED OFF/ON THROUGHOUT THE DAY

1,3,5 off turf

freddymo 01-26-2019 08:13 AM

Channel Maker moves WAY up in my small mind

RHT2004 01-26-2019 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1120967)
Channel Maker moves WAY up in my small mind

I like him more then Yoshida, but I'd be careful with thinking he moves way up. He was on that inside fresh course at Belmont and when Chads horse looked like he was going to blow past, he started to spin his wheels. I think 1,4,7 gets you through that race.

freddymo 01-26-2019 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1120969)
I like him more then Yoshida, but I'd be careful with thinking he moves way up. He was on that inside fresh course at Belmont and when Chads horse looked like he was going to blow past, he started to spin his wheels. I think 1,4,7 gets you through that race.

I wouldn't bet Yoshida at 5/2 or less for a nickel but of course, he can win. Channel maker is a good horse and may get the TAP Florida bump?

casp0555 01-26-2019 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1120965)
WEATHER NOW LOOKS TO BE A FACTOR WITH RAIN ALREADY HITTING AND EXPECTED OFF/ON THROUGHOUT THE DAY

looks like its training and most likely will be all day...great. I just hope we have none or very little here in Houston because tomorrow is supposed to turn out pretty nice for the Ladies Classic

Kasept 01-26-2019 08:52 AM

Marty McGee, Gulfstream Park, 2019-01-26 - DRF Live

Early SCRATCHES on a miserably rainy @PegasusWorldCup Day @GulfstreamPark

For most of the last 30 days, the weather has been ideal here in South Florida. So what happens when Pegasus World Cup Day rolls around? Yup, pure misery.

It's been raining since the wee hours, and there's little sign of things letting up as the 12-race Pegasus card unfolds. The forecast calls for a 60-to-90-percent chance of rain alllllll day, with the high temperature reaching only 67.

First post is 11:30 a.m. ET, with the $7 million Pegasus Turf going at about 4:50 and the $9 million Pegasus at about 5:40. The two big races will be shown live on NBC (4:30-6). There are no early scratches in either race as of 9:45 a.m.

Making an educated guess that the main track will be sloppy and floated all day, and already the first 3 turf races of the card (R1, R3, R5) have been shifted to the main track; that leaves 4 stakes (South Beach, La Prevoyante, McKnight, Pegasus Turf) still on turf. There are scratches aplenty, but it's worth noting that the rematch between STORMY LIBERAL and WORLD OF TROUBLE, is still on, albeit at 5 furlongs in the soup in the GP Turf (not) Sprint (R3).

Here are the early SCR:

R1 (off turf): 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 10, 11, 15, 16

R3 (off turf): 2, 6

R5 (off turf): 2, 5, 10

R6 (still on turf as of 9:45): 13, 15, 16

R9: 1, 5

R10: 1, 11, 13

knickslions2 01-26-2019 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1120963)
Clocker Report.. FYI. FWIW..




Good stuff Steve. Appreciate it

RHT2004 01-26-2019 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1120977)
Good stuff Steve. Appreciate it

Still a single? I was 4 deep without your horse.
He would have been my 5th choice.

RHT2004 01-26-2019 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1120973)
I wouldn't bet Yoshida at 5/2 or less for a nickel but of course, he can win. Channel maker is a good horse and may get the TAP Florida bump?

Whats the TAP fl bump? Its Mott.

knickslions2 01-26-2019 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1120979)
Still a single? I was 4 deep without your horse.
He would have been my 5th choice.

Won’t be playing pick 4 or 5 now due to weather. Gotta regroup. I’ll most likely be playing winners and doubles now. As for that race I’ll wait to see odds and play either Brown horse in the wet. Or both in double. Good luck today

Kasept 01-26-2019 10:04 AM

GP SCR/CHG'S

Keep checking.. Trainers can pull out of stakes at will. Peter Miller, furious at boys race coming off, SCR'ing Stormy Liberal and the 2 in the Ladies..

Kasept 01-26-2019 10:56 AM

Jay Privman , Gulfstream Park , 2019-01-26 - DRF Live Posted : 10 mins ago

Prado after race 1: Gulfstream main track has good bottom

Just had a quick chat after the first race with jockey Edgar Prado, who rode runner-up Thetrashmanscoming. He said the main track, rated sloppy/sealed, has a good bottom, but cautioned that it's only the first race.

Still, that shows the decision this morning to close the track for training has left the track in as good a shape as possible at this point in time. We'll see how things progress as the day goes on and there is more racing and, likely, more rain.

Alabama Stakes 01-26-2019 12:04 PM

In the 4th at gulfstream the bottom hoss had no mishap but did break slowly, then sucked up for second. At 3-1 he is tremendously underlaid

casp0555 01-26-2019 12:11 PM

a bill mott firster :wf

RHT2004 01-26-2019 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1120871)
4th.... 1,6 look live about 3 other's can win. Totally against the 4. I hope he's crushed, dont like him at all.

Wow from the 1.

Alabama Stakes 01-26-2019 12:38 PM

I know that you’re supposed to ignore those big wins on the front end in the slop, but that was pretty impressive. Hidden Scroll can rock and roll.


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