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Rupert Pupkin 11-03-2006 01:36 PM

Businessman Pardoned by Clinton Found Dead
 
Almon Glenn Braswell, 63, was found dead in his Florida condominium. The cause of death is unknown at this time. The reason this guy is somewhat well-known was because he was one of the guys that basically paid Clinton to pardon him. Braswell's pardon became one of the most criticized after it was learned that Clinton's brother in law was paid $200,000 to obtain the pardon.

Basically what happened was Clinton's brother-in-law, Hugh Rodham, basically told Braswell that if he paid him $200,000 that he would get Clinton to pardon him. Braswell paid Rodham $200,000 and Clinton pardoned him.

Now that's the kind of guy we need in the White House. We need a guy who will release you from jail if you pay his brother $200,000. LOL.

In all seriousness, Bush may have made some big mistakes since he took office. But I would still rather have him in office than a guy(Clinton) that is so dishonest that he will pardon you if you pay his brother $200,000. That is scary to have a guy in office that is that dishonest and unethical.

GenuineRisk 11-03-2006 01:54 PM

My God, Rupert, you're right! A pardoned guy is soooo much worse than almost 3,000 Americans dead for a lie in Iraq!

"Mistakes?" Is that what thousands and thousands of dead and maimed Americans and Iraqis are to you?

Give me a choice between a guy who pardons a tax evader (that was his crime, right?) and a guy who sends Americans to die for fictitious WMDs, and I'll take the pardon man. At least then young men and women will still be home with their families.

I look forward to your novel-- "It's all Clinton's Fault!" Let it go, Rupert. Man hasn't been in the White House for six years. Let's talk about Iraq, since that's actually happening now. Proud of how your guy is running the war? Proud of Rumsfeld, too? Doing a terrific job, isn't he?

Downthestretch55 11-03-2006 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
Almon Glenn Braswell, 63, was found dead in his Florida condominium. The cause of death is unknown at this time. The reason this guy is somewhat well-known was because he was one of the guys that basically paid Clinton to pardon him. Braswell's pardon became one of the most criticized after it was learned that Clinton's brother in law was paid $200,000 to obtain the pardon.

Basically what happened was Clinton's brother-in-law, Hugh Rodham, basically told Braswell that if he paid him $200,000 that he would get Clinton to pardon him. Braswell paid Rodham $200,000 and Clinton pardoned him.

Now that's the kind of guy we need in the White House. We need a guy who will release you from jail if you pay his brother $200,000. LOL.

In all seriousness, Bush may have made some big mistakes since he took office. But I would still rather have him in office than a guy(Clinton) that is so dishonest that he will pardon you if you pay his brother $200,000. That is scary to have a guy in office that is that dishonest and unethical.

Rupert,
Could you please provide a link to your source of this story?

I'd also be interested in your opinion concerning the upcoming trials for these war criminals. Coming soon...
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20061120/brechersmith

Rupert Pupkin 11-03-2006 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
My God, Rupert, you're right! A pardoned guy is soooo much worse than almost 3,000 Americans dead for a lie in Iraq!

"Mistakes?" Is that what thousands and thousands of dead and maimed Americans and Iraqis are to you?

Give me a choice between a guy who pardons a tax evader (that was his crime, right?) and a guy who sends Americans to die for fictitious WMDs, and I'll take the pardon man. At least then young men and women will still be home with their families.

I look forward to your novel-- "It's all Clinton's Fault!" Let it go, Rupert. Man hasn't been in the White House for six years. Let's talk about Iraq, since that's actually happening now. Proud of how your guy is running the war? Proud of Rumsfeld, too? Doing a terrific job, isn't he?

I don't know what this particular guy was in jail for but Clinton pardoned 177 people and they weren't just tax evaders. He pardoned people for all kinds of crimes including drug-dealing. The thing that is so disturbing is that the pardons were basically for sale.

How can you compare that to Iraq? There was nothing sinister about wanting to remove Saddam Hussein from office. Everybody wanted him removed. The invasion had bi-partisan support. John Kerry had advocated invading Iraq well before 9/11. In an interview on Face the Nation back in either 1999 or 2000, Kerry suggested that we may need to act unilaterally and go into Iraq and remove Hussein.

By the way, do you honestly think that if a democrat would have been elected in 2004, that the war would be going much better right now? I don't. I'm not saying that we are doing a great job but I think it's a really bad situation over there and I doubt things would be going much better no matter who was in charge.

By the way, I liked how you changed the subject. There was no way to defend Clinton's actions on these pardons, so you decided you would change the subject and bring up the war in Iraq.

Rupert Pupkin 11-03-2006 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Rupert,
Could you please provide a link to your source of this story?

I'd also be interested in your opinion concerning the upcoming trials for these war criminals. Coming soon...
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20061120/brechersmith

The article is all over the internet. You can do a search for it. The links are long and I don't know how to paste them.

With regard to war criminals, I think that war criminals should be punished. With regard to your article about Rumsfeld and Gonzales possibly being war criminals, I had a good laugh. That is hilarious. There's about as good a chance of Rumsfeld being tried as a war criminal as there is of me flying to the moon.

Rupert Pupkin 11-03-2006 02:34 PM

I found out what Braswell was in jail for. He was basically a con-man. He sold all kinds of products through mail orders. He sold an anti-balding product that was fake. He showed phony before and after pictures in his advertisement. The phony pictures made it appear that his product would make you grow hair. He also sold phony anti-aging potions.

Danzig 11-03-2006 02:35 PM

didn't someone try to get henry kissinger tried for war crimes? this case will go as far as that one.

Downthestretch55 11-03-2006 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
The article is all over the internet. You can do a search for it. The links are long and I don't know how to paste them.

With regard to war criminals, I think that war criminals should be punished. With regard to your article about Rumsfeld and Gonzales possibly being war criminals, I had a good laugh. That is hilarious. There's about as good a chance of Rumsfeld being tried as a war criminal as there is of me flying to the moon.

Rupert,
The story you opened with isn't on google.
So, here's how you do it.
Go to the site where you found the story.
Right click your mouse and some options will drop down.
Left click on "copy".
Go back to this thread and right click your mouse.
Left click on "paste".

Put on your "moon suit". The only way our great country will regain credibility with the rest of the nations of the world is to apply the same precedents we established at Nuremburg, and to apply the same rules of the Military Commissions Act of 2006 to those that presented them.
You might be interested in reading some long past history that seems again to be repeating itself. It's in the Book of Esther, Chapter 7, verses 9,10.

Rupert Pupkin 11-03-2006 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Rupert,
The story you opened with isn't on google.
So, here's how you do it.
Go to the site where you found the story.
Right click your mouse and some options will drop down.
Left click on "copy".
Go back to this thread and right click your mouse.
Left click on "paste".

Put on your "moon suit". The only way our great country will regain credibility with the rest of the nations of the world is to apply the same precedents we established at Nuremburg, and to apply the same rules of the Military Commissions Act of 2006 to those that presented them.
You might be interested in reading some long past history that seems again to be repeating itself. It's in the Book of Esther, Chapter 7, verses 9,10.

I have an easy way for you to find the story. Go to drudgereport.com, scroll down towards the lower part of the right side of the page and there is a link there where you can do a wire search("search wires"). Type in Braswell and then click on "search wires" and you will find 10 articles.

Downthestretch55 11-03-2006 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
I have an easy way for you to find the story. Go to drudgereport.com, scroll down towards the lower part of the right side of the page and there is a link there where you can do a wire search("search wires"). Type in Braswell and then click on "search wires" and you will find 10 articles.

Thanks Rupert,
I'll try that link.
If you get a chance, read Esther 7:9,10.

My hope is that Clinton's story is over. There are other ones going on now.
Some stories keep repeating themselves.
Haman/Rumsfeld, Vietnam/Iraq, Foley/Haggard..on and on...like an endless tape loop.

GenuineRisk 11-03-2006 03:21 PM

Rupert, if you're going to post these allegations as fact, it's your responsibility to back them up with articles-- it's not ours to go chase down your right-wing propaganda for you.

Holy toledo I'm tired of "So-and-so said and did such-and-such but I'm too lazy/tired/technically inept to actually post any links." If you can post on a message board, you can figure out how to post a link. It ain't brain surgery.

And why don't I see you railing against all the other dictators we currently aren't using our military to overthrow? Right-wingers need to retire the "Hussein was a tyrant" thing-- the country is in far more of a mess now, with less electricty, less running water, more violence, more oppression of women and more religious zealots than it was in 2002. How is this a victory for us? Iran should send Bush a g*dd*mn thank-you card for doing their work for them.

My point is, you have a sort of weird obsession with rehashing the Clinton years, when there are all kinds of big issues going on now, like Iraq, the ballooning deficit, the looming energy crisis, global warming, North Korea and the bomb, etc., etc. Now, I can understand to some extent your Clinton thing-- he's a very charismatic man, and the opposite of love is not hate; it's indifference, so I'll leave you alone to sort out your feelings about ol' Slick Willie. But honestly, learn to post links to the stuff you're venting about and maybe, just maybe, consider letting go stuff prior to oh, 2000?

Rupert, I have no idea whether Kerry would have had us out of Iraq by now. I doubt it; Bush's hubris got us into a horrific mess and many, many Americans are paying the price for it. But I bet torture wouldn't have been legalized and habeus corpus would still be the law of the land. I also would wager the soldiers would be better funded and supplied because Halliburton would be out on its ass.

You can also post links by copying the address in your browser and then pasting it right into the body of the email. I do it that way because I'm a mac user and I'll give up my single-button mouse after you pry it from my cold, dead hand!

Rupert Pupkin 11-03-2006 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
Rupert, if you're going to post these allegations as fact, it's your responsibility to back them up with articles-- it's not ours to go chase down your right-wing propaganda for you.

Holy toledo I'm tired of "So-and-so said and did such-and-such but I'm too lazy/tired/technically inept to actually post any links." If you can post on a message board, you can figure out how to post a link. It ain't brain surgery.

And why don't I see you railing against all the other dictators we currently aren't using our military to overthrow? Right-wingers need to retire the "Hussein was a tyrant" thing-- the country is in far more of a mess now, with less electricty, less running water, more violence, more oppression of women and more religious zealots than it was in 2002. How is this a victory for us? Iran should send Bush a g*dd*mn thank-you card for doing their work for them.

My point is, you have a sort of weird obsession with rehashing the Clinton years, when there are all kinds of big issues going on now, like Iraq, the ballooning deficit, the looming energy crisis, global warming, North Korea and the bomb, etc., etc. Now, I can understand to some extent your Clinton thing-- he's a very charismatic man, and the opposite of love is not hate; it's indifference, so I'll leave you alone to sort out your feelings about ol' Slick Willie. But honestly, learn to post links to the stuff you're venting about and maybe, just maybe, consider letting go stuff prior to oh, 2000?

Rupert, I have no idea whether Kerry would have had us out of Iraq by now. I doubt it; Bush's hubris got us into a horrific mess and many, many Americans are paying the price for it. But I bet torture wouldn't have been legalized and habeus corpus would still be the law of the land. I also would wager the soldiers would be better funded and supplied because Halliburton would be out on its ass.

You can also post links by copying the address in your browser and then pasting it right into the body of the email. I do it that way because I'm a mac user and I'll give up my single-button mouse after you pry it from my cold, dead hand!

This is not right-wing propaganda. It's in all the mainstream newspapers. If you want to read about it, go to drudgereport.com and do a wire search on Braswell.

What's funny about you is if there is a negative story about a democrat, your initial assumption is that the story is not true and it's just some right-wing propaganda. If there's a negative story about a republican, you assume that it is absolutely true and you don't question the source. It's hilarious.

It was especially funny how you ate up all the democratic propaganda about that 9/11 movie. You actually thought that the whole movie was fictional since the democrats complained that some of the specific scenes did not happen. You didn't consider that this is true with every single docu-drama ever made. Like I said, it's hilarious that you will believe everything the dems tell you, but nothing the repubs say.

Downthestretch55 11-03-2006 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
This is not right-wing propaganda. It's in all the mainstream newspapers. If you want to read about it, go to drudgereport.com and do a wire search on Braswell.

What's funny about you is if there is a negative story about a democrat, your initial assumption is that the story is not true and it's just some right-wing propaganda. If there's a negative story about a republican, you assume that it is absolutely true and you don't question the source. It's hilarious.

It was especially funny how you ate up all the democratic propaganda about that 9/11 movie. You actually thought that the whole movie was fictional since the democrats complained that some of the specific scenes did not happen. You didn't consider that this is true with every single docu-drama ever made. Like I said, it's hilarious that you will believe everything the dems tell you, but nothing the repubs say.

I didn't find it. Post the link as per instructions above please^^^.
Makes things a lot easier. And GR's request was reasonable.
Is the Drudge report right wing propaganda?

Rupert Pupkin 11-03-2006 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
I didn't find it. Post the link as per instructions above please^^^.
Makes things a lot easier. And GR's request was reasonable.
Is the Drudge report right wing propaganda?

If you didn't find it, then you didn't follow the instructions. what I told you to do is much more simple than what you told me to do. Go to where it says "wire search" and type Braswell. Then you can see all the articles.

No, the drudgereport is not right-wing propoganda. The drudgereport provides links to all different articles in all the mainstream newspapers. Therea re links to artciles about Haggard and everything you can think of. If there is a negative story about a republican, it will posted on drudge just like a negative article about a democrat will be posted.

A site that is a left-wing or right-wing propagnda site, is one-sided. The drudgereport is not one-sided. You are obviously not familiar with it.

Crown@club 11-03-2006 04:00 PM

I think Rupert is talking about this.

I followed his instructions of www.drudgereport.com

after the search it came through yahoo. With stories listed there

http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news?p=Braswell

GenuineRisk 11-03-2006 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
This is not right-wing propaganda. It's in all the mainstream newspapers. If you want to read about it, go to drudgereport.com and do a wire search on Braswell.

What's funny about you is if there is a negative story about a democrat, your initial assumption is that the story is not true and it's just some right-wing propaganda. If there's a negative story about a republican, you assume that it is absolutely true and you don't question the source. It's hilarious.

It was especially funny how you ate up all the democratic propaganda about that 9/11 movie. You actually thought that the whole movie was fictional since the democrats complained that some of the specific scenes did not happen. You didn't consider that this is true with every single docu-drama ever made. Like I said, it's hilarious that you will believe everything the dems tell you, but nothing the repubs say.

Rupert, if you're not posting links, you're not backing up your stories. Post the links. It's your job to back up your stories; not mine to back them up for you. As I recall, I gave you back-up links to my assertion that the 9/11 movie deliberately invented things that didn't happen.

Here's a link on your Mr. Drudge.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Matt_Drudge

At some point, I'm hopeful you'll be willing to admit you only like right-wing sources. Look, it's okay; it's a free country (kind of), just be honest about not wanting to read anything that might contradict your worldview. Though I'd recommend it-- I really enjoy reading conservatives Andrew Sullivan and John Cole's blogs to balance out my... actually... I don't read any liberal blogs... hmm... I used to read Huffington, but I got kind of bored.

Anyone got any good liberal blogs? Suggestions? Daily Kos annoys me, so not that one, please.

timmgirvan 11-03-2006 04:18 PM

Rupert's not going to the moon! He doesn't have the extra 20 mil,lol

Rupert Pupkin 11-03-2006 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crown@club
I think Rupert is talking about this.

I followed his instructions of www.drudgereport.com

after the search it came through yahoo. With stories listed there

http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news?p=Braswell

Thanks Crown.

There you go DTS and GR. Follow the link that Crown provided.

Rupert Pupkin 11-03-2006 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
Rupert, if you're not posting links, you're not backing up your stories. Post the links. It's your job to back up your stories; not mine to back them up for you. As I recall, I gave you back-up links to my assertion that the 9/11 movie deliberately invented things that didn't happen.

Here's a link on your Mr. Drudge.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Matt_Drudge

At some point, I'm hopeful you'll be willing to admit you only like right-wing sources. Look, it's okay; it's a free country (kind of), just be honest about not wanting to read anything that might contradict your worldview. Though I'd recommend it-- I really enjoy reading conservatives Andrew Sullivan and John Cole's blogs to balance out my... actually... I don't read any liberal blogs... hmm... I used to read Huffington, but I got kind of bored.

Anyone got any good liberal blogs? Suggestions? Daily Kos annoys me, so not that one, please.

GR, I think you would be better off making your own decisions about news sources and websites. You don't need to rely on someone else to tell you what channels and websites are good news sources.

Why don't you go to drudgereport.com right now and make up your own mind. The site is not what you think. If there is a negative stroy about a republican, Drudge will have it posted. When the Foley story broke, it was all over Drudge.

You are really ignorant when it comes to your beliefs about certain news sources. Somebody tells you that a site is bad and you believe it. You should find out for yourself.

I'll give you some sites that are right-wing propaganda type sites. Newsmax.com is an example of one. You could probably say that wnd.com is one. The drudgereport is not one of them.

Downthestretch55 11-03-2006 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Rupert's not going to the moon! He doesn't have the extra 20 mil,lol

Timm,
This one went on for a while.
Thanks to Crown...here's the story.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,3437095.story

Anyway, Braswell, Roswell...go to ozz h-ell. This is such a desperate attempt to bring up Clinton, and all the others that the looney faco-rightists need to find excuses to blame on others that it is just so laughable that it's beyond pathetic.
I'm sure Hattie Burger has the answers (read the article).
Put on your "moon suits" cause these people are way beyond the planet.
Maybe they can hitch a ride with the folks that were looking to get on the spaceship with the comet. I hope they've bought new sneakers.
Seems they're desperate to get out of here, and I wish them well on their journey. Remember, pack plenty of kool-aid for the journey.
Jim Jones will be your "flight attendent". Your "pilot"...George II.
Good luck! Report back early and often.
10-9-8-7-6-... BLAST OFF!!!!!!!

Rupert Pupkin 11-03-2006 04:48 PM

Drudge provides a link today that is damaging to the republicans. It tells how republicans insisted on putting up a website that showed classified information and now we believe that information may have been used by Iran to help their nuclear program.

Rupert Pupkin 11-03-2006 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Timm,
This one went on for a while.
Thanks to Crown...here's the story.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,3437095.story

Anyway, Braswell, Roswell...go to ozz h-ell. This is such a desperate attempt to bring up Clinton, and all the others that the looney faco-rightists need to find excuses to blame on others that it is just so laughable that it's beyond pathetic.
I'm sure Hattie Burger has the answers (read the article).
Put on your "moon suits" cause these people are way beyond the planet.
Maybe they can hitch a ride with the folks that were looking to get on the spaceship with the comet. I hope they've bought new sneakers.
Seems they're desperate to get out of here, and I wish them well on their journey. Remember, pack plenty of kool-aid for the journey.
Jim Jones will be your "flight attendent". Your "pilot"...George II.
Good luck! Report back early and often.
10-9-8-7-6-... BLAST OFF!!!!!!!

A desparate attempt by who? A guy who Clinton pardoned died. Even liberal papers like the LA Times carried the story. You're going to blame the republicans for this one too?

AP carried the story and a ton of newspapers printed it. I guess the Associated Press is part of some vast right-wing conspiracy. LOL. You're losing it DTS.

timmgirvan 11-03-2006 04:52 PM

DTS: I have no stake in this,except a poorly executed joke,lol(gotcha)

timmgirvan 11-03-2006 04:58 PM

DTS: I read the article and it seemed rather matter of fact. What was it that so bothered you?

Downthestretch55 11-03-2006 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmgirvan
DTS: I have no stake in this,except a poorly executed joke,lol(gotcha)

LMFAO!!!!!! Timm.:D

Rupert Pupkin 11-03-2006 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmgirvan
DTS: I read the article and it seemed rather matter of fact. What was it that so bothered you?

That is a good question.

Downthestretch55 11-03-2006 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmgirvan
DTS: I read the article and it seemed rather matter of fact. What was it that so bothered you?

Timm,
It was very frustrating to even get the article.
There were repeated requests. Read through the entire thread.
So now answer me, how is Clinton (six years ago) in any way relevant to current circumstances?
Is this another Repumplican "smoke-screen" to divert attention from their current actions?
If so, it won't work this time.
Chickens come home to roost.

Rupert Pupkin 11-03-2006 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Timm,
It was very frustrating to even get the article.
There were repeated requests. Read through the entire thread.
So now answer me, how is Clinton (six years ago) in any way relevant to current circumstances?
Is this another Repumplican "smoke-screen" to divert attention from their current actions?
If so, it won't work this time.
Chickens come home to roost.

I guess if someone dies, it shouldn't even be printed if it's not related to Iraq.

The democrats will probably do very well at the next election. Who cares? Do you think anything will actually change? There is very little difference between the democrats and republicans.

All I can say is my multi-millionaire politicians(repubs) are better than your multi-millionaire politicians(dems). LOL.

timmgirvan 11-03-2006 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Timm,
It was very frustrating to even get the article.
There were repeated requests. Read through the entire thread.
So now answer me, how is Clinton (six years ago) in any way relevant to current circumstances?
Is this another Repumplican "smoke-screen" to divert attention from their current actions?
If so, it won't work this time.
Chickens come home to roost.

I think it was just filler fact thrown in to flesh out the story....I don't see anything germain to today,other than the guy died and here's part of his story.

Downthestretch55 11-03-2006 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmgirvan
I think it was just filler fact thrown in to flesh out the story....I don't see anything germain to today,other than the guy died and here's part of his story.

Well then, I hope that the last person that throws a handfull of dirt on his coffin wishes him RIP.
A life well spent that needed a pardon.
OK with me.
I don't sit in the seat of judgement.
I also didn't start this diversionary thread.

Rupert Pupkin 11-03-2006 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Well then, I hope that the last person that throws a handfull of dirt on his coffin wishes him RIP.
A life well spent that needed a pardon.
OK with me.
I don't sit in the seat of judgement.
I also didn't start this diversionary thread.

This section of the website is titled "Off Topic General". It is not titled "The Iraq Section".

That is hilarious that you would call this thread a "diversion". Just because a thread is not about Iraq, it doesn't make the thread a "diversion".

If anything, the constant talk about Iraq is a diversion. You want everyone to focus on Iraq so that they won't focus on how good the economy is. Unempoloyment is incredibly low right now. The Dow is at an all-time high. I guess things aren't so bad.

Downthestretch55 11-03-2006 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
This section of the website is titled "Off Topic General". It is not titled "The Iraq Section".

That is hilarious that you would call this thread a "diversion". Just because a thread is not about Iraq, it doesn't make the thread a "diversion".

If anything, the constant talk about Iraq is a diversion. You want everyone to focus on Iraq so that they won't focus on how good the economy is. Unempoloyment is incredibly low right now. The Dow is at an all-time high. I guess things aren't so bad.

Rupert,
Now I finally get it!
This thread wasn't about Braswell at all!
It was about "how good the economy is"...for the top few.
And "unemployment is incredibly low right now"...if you want to work for Walmart or McDonalds..or other minimum wage (not raised in years) job.
The Dow? Geesh. If you know anything about the market, the Dow isn't the marker. Watch for the Decemer or January crash when China starts calling in their debt.
"Things aren't so bad"???
Tell me the current deficit and which countries fund it.
Define "victory" in Iraq and a sensible exit strategy.
Also explain how the US is "winning" the war on terror while we continue to create more terrorists.
Also, I'd like to know your thoughts about Afghanistan and whether the current agricultural crop that is up 60% will help win the "war on drugs", and if the Taliban is back in control of most of the country.
Where is Osama bi Laden?

Enough questions from me. You might need to do a search on your beloved Drudge Reports, or ask the commander of the spacecraft that is trying to hitch a ride behind the comet.
Watch out for the cool aid. Rumor has it that Jim Jones mixes a nasty ****tail.
But if you want to drink up, far be it from me to stop you.

SentToStud 11-03-2006 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
I don't know what this particular guy was in jail for but Clinton pardoned 177 people and they weren't just tax evaders. He pardoned people for all kinds of crimes including drug-dealing. The thing that is so disturbing is that the pardons were basically for sale.

How can you compare that to Iraq? There was nothing sinister about wanting to remove Saddam Hussein from office. Everybody wanted him removed. The invasion had bi-partisan support. John Kerry had advocated invading Iraq well before 9/11. In an interview on Face the Nation back in either 1999 or 2000, Kerry suggested that we may need to act unilaterally and go into Iraq and remove Hussein.

By the way, do you honestly think that if a democrat would have been elected in 2004, that the war would be going much better right now? I don't. I'm not saying that we are doing a great job but I think it's a really bad situation over there and I doubt things would be going much better no matter who was in charge.

By the way, I liked how you changed the subject. There was no way to defend Clinton's actions on these pardons, so you decided you would change the subject and bring up the war in Iraq.

interesting stuff. # of pardons/clemencies by President:

http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/actions_administration.htm

in round #s:
truman 2,000
eisenhower 1,200
kennedy 600
nixon 900
ford 400 (impressive for just 29 months on the job)
carter 600
reagan 400
bush sr 75 (better have a good story. includes a few turkeys just to get the number higher)
clinton 550
gw bush 70 thru Dec, 2005 (saving them up!)

Danzig 11-03-2006 07:03 PM

i read that there was a flurry of pardons signed in the last hours of the clinton presidency. an abuse of power started by ford and his pardon of nixon!!

Rupert Pupkin 11-03-2006 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Rupert,
Now I finally get it!
This thread wasn't about Braswell at all!
It was about "how good the economy is"...for the top few.
And "unemployment is incredibly low right now"...if you want to work for Walmart or McDonalds..or other minimum wage (not raised in years) job.
The Dow? Geesh. If you know anything about the market, the Dow isn't the marker. Watch for the Decemer or January crash when China starts calling in their debt.
"Things aren't so bad"???
Tell me the current deficit and which countries fund it.
Define "victory" in Iraq and a sensible exit strategy.
Also explain how the US is "winning" the war on terror while we continue to create more terrorists.
Also, I'd like to know your thoughts about Afghanistan and whether the current agricultural crop that is up 60% will help win the "war on drugs", and if the Taliban is back in control of most of the country.
Where is Osama bi Laden?

Enough questions from me. You might need to do a search on your beloved Drudge Reports, or ask the commander of the spacecraft that is trying to hitch a ride behind the comet.
Watch out for the cool aid. Rumor has it that Jim Jones mixes a nasty ****tail.
But if you want to drink up, far be it from me to stop you.

The Dow is not the only index that is way up. The S&P is up about 10% this year. The Nasdaq is up about 6%. The Nasdaq has gone up about 95% the last 4 years. That's not too bad. The most recent poll shows that 51% of Americans approve the job that President Bush is doing on the economy. I'm sure that people are negatively influenced by Iraq too. If it wasn't for Iraq, I bet that Bush' approval rating on the economy would be about 60%.

I highly doubt that the market will go way down early next year. All the guys that I follow in terms of "market-timing" are predicting the opposite. They expect the market to go way up next year.

I don't know what the answer is abot Iraq. If we leave right now, it would be a huge victory for the terrorists. They will think that we are weak and that all they have to do is battle us and we will give up. If we stay, that doesn't do us much good either if things continue to go the way they are going right now. I don't know what the answer is. We need to come up with a graceful way of exiting.

I don't know where Bin Laden is but I am not confident that a democrat would have any more success in finding him than Bush. Hopefully we will get him soon.

Even if more terrorists are being created, it does not mean that we are not winning the war on terror. If we have disrupted the major terror groups to the point that they have trouble communicating and have trouble getting money and aren't capable of launching a major terror strike, than an argument could be made that we are winning.

What are your solutions? How would you win the war on terror? You are quick to criticize our government but I haven't heard you come up with any solutions.

Downthestretch55 11-04-2006 01:09 PM

Rupert,
Your words:
"What are your solutions? How would you win the war on terror? You are quick to criticize our government but I haven't heard you come up with any solutions."

Honestly, do you really expect me to put them up for free?
Take Haggard's "boyfriend's" fee per hour ($200) and multiply by 100.
Then we'll talk.
Good consultants aren't cheap.
PM me if you can afford it.

Rupert Pupkin 11-04-2006 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Rupert,
Your words:
"What are your solutions? How would you win the war on terror? You are quick to criticize our government but I haven't heard you come up with any solutions."

Honestly, do you really expect me to put them up for free?
Take Haggard's "boyfriend's" fee per hour ($200) and multiply by 100.
Then we'll talk.
Good consultants aren't cheap.
PM me if you can afford it.

I'll pass on your offer. I'll get the solutions for free from Commondreams.

Downthestretch55 11-04-2006 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
I'll pass on your offer. I'll get the solutions for free from Commondreams.

Rupert,
I really get a laugh out of the republicans that are asking others that aren't republicans for a plan..."what would you do?"
This is just too funny!
I'll just tell you, first off, admit that it was a republican administration, republican controlled congress, that brought this mess.
If they were so smart to get us into this mess, don't you think the republicans would have planned a way to get out of the mess?

What do you propose as a solution?

Downthestretch55 11-05-2006 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Rupert,
I really get a laugh out of the republicans that are asking others that aren't republicans for a plan..."what would you do?"
This is just too funny!
I'll just tell you, first off, admit that it was a republican administration, republican controlled congress, that brought this mess.
If they were so smart to get us into this mess, don't you think the republicans would have planned a way to get out of the mess?

What do you propose as a solution?

Well Rupert,
It's been a while and I haven't seen your solution. My guess is that you don't have one.
I've already stated that I do, but my fees might be beyond you. If you have connections with those that really would like to use my services, pm me and I'll discuss the terms of the contract.
DTS


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