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Benny 05-06-2018 09:11 PM

TX woman's $18 Pick 5 play at Retama returns $1.25 mil
 
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/texas-w...003649507.html

richard burch 05-06-2018 11:07 PM

Is she single? Maybe she should have her own radio show. :)

Merlinsky 05-06-2018 11:29 PM

Woman turns $18 KY Derby bet into $1.2 mil
 
https://www.wthr.com/article/texas-w...nto-12-million

That lady looks calmer than I would've been.

declansharbor 05-07-2018 07:57 PM

Honestly, it’s stories like this that will attract people TO the sport’s wagering side. We just have to find a way to keep them here.

No BS, between FB & Instagram I was tagged in this story (or this story was posted on my page) a total of 6 different times. Every single person to tag me is a non-player outside of the big days but upon hearing this story they want to throw their hat into the ring next year more than the $20 per horse and pull numbers out of a hat.

I’m doing my best to cultivate a new wave of players. My one buddy’s FIL even wants to buy me out next Saturday so that I can teach him a few different wagers that he heard I had won on this weekend. The sport so desperately needs the new blood before all the dinosaurs die off. I’m looking forward to doing my part in bringing in fresh fish for us to peck away at in the exotic pools!

cal828 05-07-2018 08:15 PM

I'd like to know, if she is really a handicapper or did she just play some random numbers? Seems like I read about some guy back when Giacomo won the derby winning some god awful amount of money on a superfecta at a racetrack where you could bet a quick pick ticket on a race similar to a quick pick for a lottery. Some people are like that. They don't want to have to think about anything. My wife was like that. She loved to play slot machines because there was no thought that went in to it. Her approach to racing was "which horse does Todd Pletcher train? I want an exacta with that one." She once won a $500+ exacta that way the year that Danza won the Arkansas Derby. I studied the damn race for hours and I think my horses finished last and next to last.

declansharbor 05-07-2018 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cal828 (Post 1109302)
I'd like to know, if she is really a handicapper or did she just play some random numbers? Seems like I read about some guy back when Giacomo won the derby winning some god awful amount of money on a superfecta at a racetrack where you could bet a quick pick ticket on a race similar to a quick pick for a lottery. Some people are like that. They don't want to have to think about anything. My wife was like that. She loved to play slot machines because there was no thought that went in to it.

I’d love to know how she came up with Funny Duck on a slim ticket. Didn’t the horse get trounced once he races against winners in Transylvania Stakes (I think). That result boggled my mind, but it seems like there’s ALWAYS one head scratcher on big days ala Bar of Gold

cal828 05-07-2018 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 1109303)
I’d love to know how she came up with Funny Duck on a slim ticket. Didn’t the horse get trounced once he races against winners in Transylvania Stakes (I think). That result boggled my mind, but it seems like there’s ALWAYS one head scratcher on big days ala Bar of Gold

My wife would have said you put too much thought into it. Funny Duck perfectly logical for a racetrack that looked like a lake.:D

cal828 05-07-2018 08:38 PM

Actually, I'm a little surprised that the first three slots of the derby were so chalky. On a wet track, you would have thought that maybe a real longshot might have run second or third. I played Justify over 15 of them hoping to hit some outrageous longshot like Instilled Regard, but no luck this year.

richard burch 05-07-2018 09:44 PM

I don't like math. The pool was $2,923,064....payout 1$ was $1,241,654...Does anyone know how many winners there were?

Alabama Stakes 05-07-2018 11:07 PM

With $2.9 million bet, After takeout it looks like 4 winners on fifty cent tickets. I wonder how much the NYRA bets pick 5 handled ....maybe drop a couple of zeros

Seattleallstar 05-08-2018 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cal828 (Post 1109302)
I'd like to know, if she is really a handicapper or did she just play some random numbers? Seems like I read about some guy back when Giacomo won the derby winning some god awful amount of money on a superfecta at a racetrack where you could bet a quick pick ticket on a race similar to a quick pick for a lottery. Some people are like that. They don't want to have to think about anything. My wife was like that. She loved to play slot machines because there was no thought that went in to it. Her approach to racing was "which horse does Todd Pletcher train? I want an exacta with that one." She once won a $500+ exacta that way the year that Danza won the Arkansas Derby. I studied the damn race for hours and I think my horses finished last and next to last.

Gotta go with she probably played random numbers, handicapping i went damn near 9 deep in that race and didnt hit the board..lol

Handicapping there was no way he would of even been close with this bunch, here are the only reasons to have that horse

The name Funny Duck itself
the #4
connections, Calumet, Arnold, Hernadez as jockey
going all

anyways congrats to her cant hate on that, she put her money in and hit the lottery

Alabama Stakes 05-08-2018 08:22 PM

What did Funny Duck say to the hooker ?




















Put it on my bill

cal828 05-08-2018 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar (Post 1109334)
Gotta go with she probably played random numbers, handicapping i went damn near 9 deep in that race and didnt hit the board..lol

Handicapping there was no way he would of even been close with this bunch, here are the only reasons to have that horse

The name Funny Duck itself
the #4
connections, Calumet, Arnold, Hernadez as jockey
going all

anyways congrats to her cant hate on that, she put her money in and hit the lottery

There might have been a logical reason and that is if she knew pedigrees really well and realized that the horse had a really good pedigree for a wet track which sometimes works and sometimes not, but I agree with you, I think she probably just used random numbers.

richard burch 05-08-2018 10:26 PM

Maybe TV or someone who has a radio show or in the racing industry should reach out to her. Love to know how She selected and She could have promotional abilities for the sport.


GET HER ON STEVE!:)

Kasept 05-09-2018 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard burch (Post 1109343)
Maybe TV or someone who has a radio show or in the racing industry should reach out to her. Love to know how She selected and She could have promotional abilities for the sport.


GET HER ON STEVE!:)

Working on it through the Retama people.. She was a bit shy Saturday asking that her name be withheld, but seems like she's become more accessible. Her name is Margaret Reid and though she's not a serious player, she did construct the ticket off the PP's.

cal828 05-09-2018 09:06 AM

Seems like I can recall another time that a person or persons won a huge payoff like that and it wasn't just picking random numbers. My memory doesn't work so good anymore and sometimes I can't remember what I did last week, but it seems like it was a guy or a couple of guys from South Dakota that won the pick 6 on Breeder's Cup Day with a small ticket. As I recall it was when Richard Mandella won 3 or 4 races that day including the Classic with Pleasantly Perfect. So I guess as improbable as it seems that someone could handicap it, it's not impossible. However, all that may just be a false memory on my part.

ateamstupid 05-09-2018 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard burch (Post 1109311)
I don't like math. The pool was $2,923,064....payout 1$ was $1,241,654...Does anyone know how many winners there were?

Four winners at $.50 each.

richard burch 05-09-2018 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1109347)
Working on it through the Retama people.. She was a bit shy Saturday asking that her name be withheld, but seems like she's become more accessible. Her name is Margaret Reid and though she's not a serious player, she did construct the ticket off the PP's.

Way to go!. You already gave us some pertinent information. Hope she goes on the air with you. As a champion of the sport, You deserve the first interview.:)

Send her a Justify horse hat and a shirt.

ranger5830 05-09-2018 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cal828 (Post 1109350)
Seems like I can recall another time that a person or persons won a huge payoff like that and it wasn't just picking random numbers. My memory doesn't work so good anymore and sometimes I can't remember what I did last week, but it seems like it was a guy or a couple of guys from South Dakota that won the pick 6 on Breeder's Cup Day with a small ticket. As I recall it was when Richard Mandella won 3 or 4 races that day including the Classic with Pleasantly Perfect. So I guess as improbable as it seems that someone could handicap it, it's not impossible. However, all that may just be a false memory on my part.

As I remember the story, this was from the 93 breeders cup at Santa Anita, the other time that Mandella had four wins. One of the two tickets that hit the national pick-7 had played numbers 1 and 11 in the penultimate race, the BC turf. He then accidentally punched 1 and 11 for the classic, but decided to just keep the ticket as played for a $16 total. Arcangues was #11 in the classic so he wound up winning $1.6 million by accident.

cal828 05-10-2018 11:20 AM

http://www.drf.com/news/pick-6-winner-faces

Here it is. The year was 2003 and it was an $8 bet for $2.7 million. Ticket had 4 singles. It was a couple of guys from South Dakota. I think it occurred the next year or so after some college buddies tried to scam the Pick 6 and ended up going to jail, I think. I can't remember all the details of that one, but I'm sure a lot of people will remember that occurred which made a lot of people skeptical that these two guys could have won legitimately with such a small ticket.

cal828 05-10-2018 12:23 PM

73 year old wheels in my brain turn pretty slowly these days, but I think I remember more of the details of the scam mentioned earlier. There were 3 college buddies involved. One of them worked for one of the companies that manufacture and service the betting machines at some of the tracks. He made his own winning ticket and enlisted the help of one of his buddies to cash it. Not sure what the 3rd guy did. Maybe he came up with the scam and talked the others in to it. Nobody believed they had the winning ticket because it too had 4 singles Not sure how they got caught, but they did.

richard burch 05-10-2018 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cal828 (Post 1109383)
73 year old wheels in my brain turn pretty slowly these days, but I think I remember more of the details of the scam mentioned earlier. There were 3 college buddies involved. One of them worked for one of the companies that manufacture and service the betting machines at some of the tracks. He made his own winning ticket and enlisted the help of one of his buddies to cash it. Not sure what the 3rd guy did. Maybe he came up with the scam and talked the others in to it. Nobody believed they had the winning ticket because it too had 4 singles Not sure how they got caught, but they did.

Yes...i remember seeing a show on it. i think it was in the old HRTV days. Recall one of them worked at a NY track.

jms62 05-11-2018 08:10 AM

Story getting traction.. My mom mentioned it to me this morning...

declansharbor 05-11-2018 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cal828 (Post 1109383)
73 year old wheels in my brain turn pretty slowly these days, but I think I remember more of the details of the scam mentioned earlier. There were 3 college buddies involved. One of them worked for one of the companies that manufacture and service the betting machines at some of the tracks. He made his own winning ticket and enlisted the help of one of his buddies to cash it. Not sure what the 3rd guy did. Maybe he came up with the scam and talked the others in to it. Nobody believed they had the winning ticket because it too had 4 singles Not sure how they got caught, but they did.

I remember greed being a factor as to how/why they got caught, as if they printed multiple winning tickets instead of just one ticket, or something to that tune. Had they just scammed with one ticket, the red flags wouldn’t have gone up (as much) and they most likely get away with it.

jms62 05-11-2018 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 1109413)
I remember greed being a factor as to how/why they got caught, as if they printed multiple winning tickets instead of just one ticket, or something to that tune. Had they just scammed with one ticket, the red flags wouldn’t have gone up (as much) and they most likely get away with it.

I think I recall that they singled the races already run.

cal828 05-11-2018 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1109414)
I think I recall that they singled the races already run.

You are right. There is a big long explanation on Wikipedia that explains what happened, but to cut to the chase, the mastermind of the scam was a senior computer person with Autotote. He altered tickets after the first four races had been run and then went all/all in the last two races on the ticket. His ticket was around $1100. This was not the first ticket that he altered. He also did this with some other bets and got away with it so decided to go for one big score with his buddies. This was the year that Volponi won the Classic and paid $41. Strangely, he was only sentenced to a year in prison while the one bud got a couple of years and the other almost 3. He ratted them out and got a lesser sentence.

casp0555 05-11-2018 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cal828 (Post 1109416)
You are right. There is a big long explanation on Wikipedia that explains what happened, but to cut to the chase, the mastermind of the scam was a senior computer person with Autotote. He altered tickets after the first four races had been run and then went all/all in the last two races on the ticket. His ticket was around $1100. This was not the first ticket that he altered. He also did this with some other bets and got away with it so decided to go for one big score with his buddies. This was the year that Volponi won the Classic and paid $41. Strangely, he was only sentenced to a year in prison while the one bud got a couple of years and the other almost 3. He ratted them out and got a lesser sentence.

degenerate bastard :)

cal828 05-11-2018 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by casp0555 (Post 1109418)
degenerate bastard :)

Certainly that, but also a greedy and a lucky one too. Who tries to steal 3 mil and only gets a year in prison? :confused: Of course, he's probably ruined too and he's probably one of those guys you see sifting through the discarded tickets on the floor of some racetrack now, if they even allow him near a race track.

raininthrees 05-14-2018 12:10 AM

bet construction for her $18 dollar investment was as follows,

she only singled,
Limousine Liberal in Race 8, Maraud in Race 9 and Yoshida in Race 11
while using 3 horses in Race 10 the Pat Day and 6 horses in Race 12 the Derby

If Justify happened to faulted, she did also have Good Magic.

richard burch 05-15-2018 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raininthrees (Post 1109547)
bet construction for her $18 dollar investment was as follows,

she only singled,
Limousine Liberal in Race 8, Maraud in Race 9 and Yoshida in Race 11
while using 3 horses in Race 10 the Pat Day and 6 horses in Race 12 the Derby

If Justify happened to faulted, she did also have Good Magic.

I almost fainted when I read that.



Really!....Sure?....How do you know this?

If true She is the GREATEST person EVER!!!!

raininthrees 05-16-2018 01:09 AM

true info, as being in this sports/racing game/vocation
fortunate enough & work hard enough to get info. others
can’t and asap too.

don’t feel bad I would have fainted too
but I was too busy stacking my 2k worth
of PK5 dead soldier tickets

sux when you know where the true value bets
are but fail to capitalize. on to the next...

ranger5830 05-16-2018 01:20 PM

I know that it's a little late to be asking this, but is there any word of the location/cost/structure of the other two winning tickets? I'm sure its not as good a story as this lady but the other people obviously made huge scores as well.

raininthrees 05-16-2018 06:08 PM

heard about one other ticket
only specifics I know on that one is this

he had an ALL in the funny duck race
in the Race 11 turf, was touted yoshida, so he went
with #9 and added another from that race
and singled justify in the derby.

as far as the first 2 legs, I do not know
I am assuming he went between 1 or 2
and no more than 3 or 4 in race 9 due to cost.

peace

ateamstupid 05-21-2018 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raininthrees (Post 1109547)
bet construction for her $18 dollar investment was as follows,

she only singled,
Limousine Liberal in Race 8, Maraud in Race 9 and Yoshida in Race 11
while using 3 horses in Race 10 the Pat Day and 6 horses in Race 12 the Derby

If Justify happened to faulted, she did also have Good Magic.

I'm late here, but this is false. There were only live Pick 5 tickets to four horses in the Derby, so she couldn't have been more than four deep.


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