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2MinsToPost 11-01-2006 05:03 PM

Too Much Bling - I am 100%
 
Behind this horse. I am sitting here writing in the post positions in my form and come across this horse. So, I scan down and my eyes jump out of socket. 2 things......................................

Was trained by Timothy Hamm who is a real nice guy, local trainer in the Ohio, Northern Kentucky region

This horse broke it's maiden at Thistle! Right after that 19 1/2 length romp, goes to Baffert.

Love this horse, can't believe I did not know this. All OVER THE Hometown horse baby!

SCUDSBROTHER 11-01-2006 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost
Behind this horse. I am sitting here writing in the post positions in my form and come across this horse. So, I scan down and my eyes jump out of socket. 2 things......................................

Was trained by Timothy Hamm who is a real nice guy, local trainer in the Ohio, Northern Kentucky region

This horse broke it's maiden at Thistle! Right after that 19 1/2 length romp, goes to Baffert.

Love this horse, can't believe I did not know this. All OVER THE Hometown horse baby!

Baffert has him as good as he can get him.He has never run on this track,but he runs best fresh,and that's the situation here.The post is perfect.Rider and horse must do everything right.One small mistake,and he will probably get beat.I think he is talented enough,but it has to be his A+ performance.It's in him.
Get Lucky, Bling.

1st_Saturday_in_May 11-01-2006 05:46 PM

I'd like to see him win and will be using him up top at hopefully a nice price.

Was it Gomez's ride aboard him in the Woody Stephens that was labeled a 'botched abortion' by someone on here? That sure was brutal!

SCUDSBROTHER 11-01-2006 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May
I'd like to see him win and will be using him up top at hopefully a nice price.

Was it Gomez's ride aboard him in the Woody Stephens that was labeled a 'botched abortion' by someone on here? That sure was brutal!

Yeah..Time to make up for that ride.Stickfigure gotta give him his best ride.That's just all there is to it.If he gets beat,let it be because H.H.,or Bordonaro were just a little too much for him to get by.I have Bordonaro too,but no doubt I want BLING to take it.

Pointg5 11-01-2006 06:02 PM

Bordonaro looks like the only one that can take the heat and keep going, but I would like to see TMB win...

tycharles01 11-01-2006 06:57 PM

Had him on bottom of exotics with HH Pomeroy Thor's Echo up top but after the Post he just shot up to the TOP!! Hope can get a nice 7/1 8/1 on him

Thor's Echo draws the rail WOW what a shame

HH gets the #4 and even makes it worse gets stuck inbetween prolly the 2 longshots, however should get enough speed to get away OK

Another horse that got some trouble is the horse for the course, Kelly's Landing. Will be at least 5 wide goin into the turn hopefully can get up to hit 4th and make the Super even nicer

1st_Saturday_in_May 11-01-2006 07:02 PM

Like Bordonaro, War Front, Blingy, and Siren Lure in here....now how to bet it???

SCUDSBROTHER 11-01-2006 07:04 PM

I got 14-1 on Bling today(after the 9 post was announced.) Bet is no longer available though.

hoovesupsideyourhead 11-01-2006 07:09 PM

good luck scuds...i got henny at 5-1 a wile ago...

tycharles01 11-01-2006 07:10 PM

14-1 damn U put a WP or just a win

I like TMB put Pomeroy also drew nice and could win this thing
Those are my Top 2 right now

repent 11-02-2006 01:11 AM

Songster was the better btwn the 2.

his trainer did not think he could win I guess.
appearantly Baffert thinks he can.
or maybe he just wants to run horses in the BC.
no matter the reasons, I dont see him being fast enough.
very fast, but not Bord or HH fast.


Repent

King Glorious 11-02-2006 02:23 AM

There is a lot to like about Too Much Bling. He's 3-4 in races under 7f. He can battle for the lead through quick fractions (1st by a head in 21 3/5 in the San Vicente....2nd by a head in 44 in the Carry Back) or he can sit behind the speed and rate (nearly three back after a 43 4/5 half in the San Miguel). And I know Baffert usually works them fast but among his last five works, he shows a 1:11 2/5, a 57 flag (gate), and a 1:10 2/5 (gate). This horse is set to give his best and has to be included in the exotics. Also, it's worth noting that when he and Henny Hughes faced each other in the Hopeful last year, they were in a virtual deadlock at the 6f mark of that 7f race. There are a lot of positives with him. The negative is of course the layoff. Also, u have to wonder which style they are going to employ here. Do they gun for the lead since he has 21 3/5 type speed? What happens though when they do that and horses like Bordonaro and Thor's Echo are right there with him? That will be different than battling head and head with the cheap horses he has been battling. And if they try to rate, again, u know that Bordonaro is not going to be coming back to him in the lane. He'll have to go get him and I don't know if he's going to outkick Henny Hughes, Pomeroy, and Siren Lure. I'd feel better if he was the fastest of the speed and I knew he was the one to catch or if I knew he was the best closer in the field. But he's neither and I think it's all going to add up to him just not being good enough to win this.

SCUDSBROTHER 11-02-2006 06:06 AM

Well, Bling could have run 107'4 in his comeback race in the San Miguel.Gomez didn't ride him out hard in that stretch.He just exploded away from them,and then Garrett wrapped him up .He can win it if Baffert has him that good again.Baffert's horses are usually best when fresh.It's just that they usually don't pay anything.Bordonaro and H.H. are equally fast,and if either one simply runs their normal race,then TMB has to run his best race(I think they are looking for exactly that.)

JJP 11-02-2006 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by repent
Songster was the better btwn the 2.

his trainer did not think he could win I guess.
appearantly Baffert thinks he can.
or maybe he just wants to run horses in the BC.
no matter the reasons, I dont see him being fast enough.
very fast, but not Bord or HH fast.


Repent

I disagree. When they ran, they decided to rate TMB and Songster made an easy lead. The rail appeared to be dead and Too Much Bling tried to make his move up the rail. Songster had the perfect trip, TMB didn't. Did it cost him at least 2 lengths? IMO it did.

Scav 11-02-2006 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JJP
I disagree. When they ran, they decided to rate TMB and Songster made an easy lead. The rail appeared to be dead and Too Much Bling tried to make his move up the rail. Songster had the perfect trip, TMB didn't. Did it cost him at least 2 lengths? IMO it did.

YEP..

2MB might be a $100 WP wager for me if I can get 8/1

SCUDSBROTHER 11-02-2006 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tycharles01
14-1 damn U put a WP or just a win

I like TMB put Pomeroy also drew nice and could win this thing
Those are my Top 2 right now

I didn't get a "place only" bet. I got a show parlay bet TM BLING/SCAT DADDY/PINE ISLAND that pays 14-1.They pay 535/1 in a win parlay.Scud be a happy boy if Scat Daddy,Pine Island,and TM BLING can all win.A 5.5K PAYDAY.

eurobounce 11-02-2006 06:09 PM

I dont think TMB has much of a shot here. Horse never has won a Grade I event. In fact, he has never been in the money in a Grade I. That tells me that the connections do not think he is really Grade I company or they would have been shooting for them. I do not like the layoff at all even though TMB has been working well. I think he will be a little short. TMB does have the right running style to win the sprint but there are too many other horses to consider. Only think to get excited about is Baffert. Big money trainers win big money races.

Bordornaro is a bet against IMO as well. It appears he needs some time off to be effective. Races in Jan, Apr, Jly and Oct. That is a couple months layoff between starts. This is the 2nd time in his career that he will race twice in less than 30 days. After that 119 beyer I think we are looking at a bounce.

Henny Hughes, Simon Lure and War Front are my choices.

1st_Saturday_in_May 11-02-2006 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
I dont think TMB has much of a shot here. Horse never has won a Grade I event. In fact, he has never been in the money in a Grade I. That tells me that the connections do not think he is really Grade I company or they would have been shooting for them. I do not like the layoff at all even though TMB has been working well. I think he will be a little short. TMB does have the right running style to win the sprint but there are too many other horses to consider. Only think to get excited about is Baffert. Big money trainers win big money races.

Bordornaro is a bet against IMO as well. It appears he needs some time off to be effective. Races in Jan, Apr, Jly and Oct. That is a couple months layoff between starts. This is the 2nd time in his career that he will race twice in less than 30 days. After that 119 beyer I think we are looking at a bounce.

Henny Hughes, Simon Lure and War Front are my choices.

Euro, I tend to agree with you about his chances (I'm going back and forth), but if memory serves correct there is only one Grade 1 race for three year old sprinters - the Kings Bishop so I'm really not sure of that reason. The connections danced a lot of the big sophomore sprints early in the year - Stephens, Bay Shore, Carry Back - and Baffert wants him fresh so they shelved him. I'm not a huge fan of the layoff, but that's what Baffert wants, so who am I to question it? THe connections obvously think he is Grade 1 capable because he's in here, but what other Grade 1's would they have run him in without stretching him out?

ateamstupid 11-02-2006 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May
Euro, I tend to agree with you about his chances (I'm going back and forth), but if memory serves correct there is only one Grade 1 race for three year old sprinters - the Kings Bishop so I'm really not sure of that reason. The connections danced a lot of the big sophomore sprints early in the year - Stephens, Bay Shore, Carry Back - and Baffert wants him fresh so they shelved him. I'm not a huge fan of the layoff, but that's what Baffert wants, so who am I to question it? THe connections obvously think he is Grade 1 capable because he's in here, but what other Grade 1's would they have run him in without stretching him out?

Exactly. Just because he didn't show up for the King's Bishop, you're throwing him out?

packerbacker7964 11-02-2006 07:17 PM

Well when he ran against Songster he was trapped down on the rail and couldn't overcome much trouble at all. This race is a crap shoot and he has a lot of run in him but i thnk others have more.

SCUDSBROTHER 11-02-2006 07:59 PM

Well, the best competitors are haunted by(what they consider)their diappointments.McCarron and Baffert will never really get over Cavonnier's disappointing loss in the Derby.They just don't think about it as often as they use to.There are 2 big "National" days in this sport.They are Derby day,and The Breeders Cup.Just so happens that they are at the same place this year.Most of us simply turned the page the day after this years Derby.I doubt that was very easy for a guy who had 3 horses run poorly in the derby the day before(2 of which he thought were legit.) Now we are at the Breeders Cup,and he has how many chances to win one? Anybody like that Malt Magic? Would be a big surprise(although not impossible,)and then we come to his entry in the Sprint.Oh,and who do we have riding his horse? Isn't that the guy who had the best horse in last year's sprint,and didn't quite get it done? I think the connections of this one are highly motivated.

SCUDSBROTHER 11-03-2006 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Well there is the Vosburgh and Kings Bishop that TMB skipped. Instead he ran in the Bay Shore, Woody Strephens and Carry Back. These arent bad races but they didnt have the best fields either. In addition, if you go back several races TMB has developed a patter in beyers
80-102-99-113-99-108 - this pattern tells us he is going to run 95-100 beyer and that is not going to get it done in the Sprint.

Other than in the Stephens,it is a mistake to think he was all out in any of his races this year.In the San Vicente,and the Carryback,he had to make his own pace(not what he is best at.)In the Bay Shore,the race is won by the time he hits the top of the stretch.He is under wraps late in the San Miguel.That race is by far his best effort ever,and the Beyer on that is so far off that it is hysterical. He has raced 5 times this year.The Stephens is a well known toss race.He simply has no competition in the other 4 races.This is why it is hard to say how good he really is. When a horse wins easily like that,the beyer is not going to represent the horse's capabilities.After all,isn't this the reason Chalky Dino is such a huge choice in the classic? He has won so easily that the beyers don't represent what people think he is really capable of doing.That better be true,because Invasor is damn close on figures.So,if you go by figures alone,then Invasor is gunna be right with Chalky Dino,and TM Bling is too slow.

Pointg5 11-03-2006 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Well there is the Vosburgh and Kings Bishop that TMB skipped. Instead he ran in the Bay Shore, Woody Strephens and Carry Back. These arent bad races but they didnt have the best fields either. In addition, if you go back several races TMB has developed a patter in beyers
80-102-99-113-99-108 - this pattern tells us he is going to run 95-100 beyer and that is not going to get it done in the Sprint.

Baffert said that he would probably train him up to the Sprint, he said he's better off of a layoff. Baffert's about the only trainer I will listen to in the media, he said that right after the race at Calder. There's no reason to think he's not ready to fire his best shot here, I think it's easier to win off of a layoff in a Sprint race than a longer race, Baffert will have him ready. His Sheet #'s are as good as HH's, I love TMB to win here....

Also, I told you about him last week, but use Free Thinking in the Mile, I just read he got the best Turf Sheet # in the history of Sheet #'s and he did that at CD. Watch that race where Akshal Way beat him, he's a game horse, and likely will be anywhere from 30-1 to 45-1...He's a must use....

ateamstupid 11-03-2006 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Well there is the Vosburgh and Kings Bishop that TMB skipped. Instead he ran in the Bay Shore, Woody Strephens and Carry Back. These arent bad races but they didnt have the best fields either. In addition, if you go back several races TMB has developed a patter in beyers
80-102-99-113-99-108 - this pattern tells us he is going to run 95-100 beyer and that is not going to get it done in the Sprint.

That pattern tells us nothing considering he's coming into this race fresh as a daisy.

eurobounce 11-03-2006 10:32 AM

You can throw your money at him and good luck, but to me he just isnt good enough.

eurobounce 11-03-2006 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May
Euro, I tend to agree with you about his chances (I'm going back and forth), but if memory serves correct there is only one Grade 1 race for three year old sprinters - the Kings Bishop so I'm really not sure of that reason. The connections danced a lot of the big sophomore sprints early in the year - Stephens, Bay Shore, Carry Back - and Baffert wants him fresh so they shelved him. I'm not a huge fan of the layoff, but that's what Baffert wants, so who am I to question it? THe connections obvously think he is Grade 1 capable because he's in here, but what other Grade 1's would they have run him in without stretching him out?

Well there is the Vosburgh and Kings Bishop that TMB skipped. Instead he ran in the Bay Shore, Woody Strephens and Carry Back. These arent bad races but they didnt have the best fields either. In addition, if you go back several races TMB has developed a patter in beyers
80-102-99-113-99-108 - this pattern tells us he is going to run 95-100 beyer and that is not going to get it done in the Sprint.

SCUDSBROTHER 11-03-2006 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
You can throw your money at him and good luck, but to me he just isnt good enough.

I can respect that opinion.Fact is that he has not beaten the likes of Henny Hughes,or Bordonaro.He has a lot to prove.I think 14/1 to win,and 2.8/1 to show is a bet I can take.I won't be surprised if he wins ,but I won't be surprised if he runs 4th- 5th by 3 or 4 lengths. I'll be surprised if he is uncompetitive.The facts are that there are 5 grade 1 winners in the field,and he is not yet one of them.The 1st time Lit de Justice tried to win this race,he had to settle for 3rd(I think.)Bling may also have to wait until next year,but I do see him as a grade 1 winner.If he stays sound,I think he wins this race eventually.


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