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SilverRP 12-29-2016 06:40 PM
Desormeaux
 
Worst ride ever on cynthiana in the last at Santa Anita today. How does this guy still have a job?

MinnSkinny 12-29-2016 06:44 PM
Donegal Racing fired him 2 years ago for his rides on Keen Ice and Dullahan. Hope he gets his life straightened out, but I doubt that will ever happen.

SilverRP 12-29-2016 06:57 PM
And people wonder what is wrong with horse racing....

SilverRP 12-29-2016 06:59 PM
In my mind I know she's the best horse in the race with good odds. Then I have to deal with Desormeaux on her back.

SilverRP 12-29-2016 07:01 PM
Can't justify horse racing to my son in law who is new to the "sport". Maybe I should wonder why I justify it to myself.

pointman 12-29-2016 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverRP (Post 1083305)
Worst ride ever on cynthiana in the last at Santa Anita today. How does this guy still have a job?
What was so bad about the ride? He saved every inch of ground around the track but was blocked in the stretch, I didn't see a point where he could safely get out and get his horse clear for a run.

Seems to me that the horse was unlucky, not the victim of a bad ride.

SilverRP 12-29-2016 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 1083313)
What was so bad about the ride? He saved every inch of ground around the track but was blocked in the stretch, I didn't see a point where he could safely get out and get his horse clear for a run.

Seems to me that the horse was unlucky, not the victim of a bad ride.
What is the number one job of a jockey? There's a reason she was blocked in the stretch.

pointman 12-29-2016 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverRP (Post 1083314)
What is the number one job of a jockey? There's a reason she was blocked in the stretch.
Seemed to me the horse was blocked because a hole never opened up. That is unlucky.

What is the reason you can't justify horse racing to your son?

knickslions2 12-29-2016 07:57 PM
Nothing wrong with that ride

Rudeboyelvis 12-29-2016 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverRP (Post 1083311)
Can't justify horse racing to my son in law who is new to the "sport". Maybe I should wonder why I justify it to myself.
Perhaps both you and your son in law ought to find a new "sport". Kent D's personal issues have been well documented, but this assertion is nebulous, disparaging, and unfounded.

There was nothing wrong with that ride. Bad luck, period.

SilverRP 12-29-2016 09:57 PM
Never said a thing about his personal life. As a jock you need to give your horse an opportunity to win. He didn't in this case.

As for my statement about my son in law. It's very difficult to get those who are not horse racing fans involved. It's even harder when you have rides like this one.

SilverRP 12-29-2016 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1083318)
Perhaps both you and your son in law ought to find a new "sport". Kent D's personal issues have been well documented, but this assertion is nebulous, disparaging, and unfounded.

There was nothing wrong with that ride. Bad luck, period.
Again. Never said a thing about his personal life. But you did. Why is that? And to tell people they should find another sport is probably one of the reasons horse racing isn't popular at all.

Alabama Stakes 12-29-2016 10:41 PM
What race were you watching ? perfect ground saving covered up trip hoss just had nothing that's why he didn't win. He had room enough when it mattered, when the hole closed, it was a foregone conclusion. Best thing to could tell your son in law is that he probably knows more than you do

SilverRP 12-29-2016 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1083326)
What race were you watching ? perfect ground saving covered up trip hoss just had nothing that's why he didn't win. He had room enough when it mattered, when the hole closed, it was a foregone conclusion. Best thing to could tell your son in law is that he probably knows more than you do
I guess getting your horse in trouble as long as you save ground is a good ride nowadays. why the snippy comment?

SilverRP 12-29-2016 11:20 PM
And there was plenty left. It's pretty obvious

Indian Charlie 12-30-2016 12:42 AM
The lack of an ability by jocks to anticipate trouble is mind boggling, and one of the main reasons I stopped betting horses years ago.

I could see it happening literally a mile away, time after time, and I got to the same point you are at now. The disbelief that human beings could be so stupid is disheartening.

pointman 12-30-2016 01:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverRP (Post 1083327)
I guess getting your horse in trouble as long as you save ground is a good ride nowadays. why the snippy comment?
I read your first four posts and thought that I was going to see one of the worst rides in history. You have not articulated what he did wrong. He put the horse in a position to win by saving ground, cutting the corner and got boxed in in the stretch. Did you want him to run over the horses in front of him? That is simply back luck. Had he gotten a hole and won he would be credited with a perfect ride.

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 1083329)
The lack of an ability by jocks to anticipate trouble is mind boggling, and one of the main reasons I stopped betting horses years ago.

I could see it happening literally a mile away, time after time, and I got to the same point you are at now. The disbelief that human beings could be so stupid is disheartening.
Did you watch the replay before making this comment? I hardly see this ride as being an example of jockey incompetence. The luck of a hole opening can be the difference between bad luck and a perfect ride.

Indian Charlie 12-30-2016 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 1083330)
I read your first four posts and thought that I was going to see one of the worst rides in history. You have not articulated what he did wrong. He put the horse in a position to win by saving ground, cutting the corner and got boxed in in the stretch. Did you want him to run over the horses in front of him? That is simply back luck. Had he gotten a hole and won he would be credited with a perfect ride.



Did you watch the replay before making this comment? I hardly see this ride as being an example of jockey incompetence. The luck of a hole opening can be the difference between bad luck and a perfect ride.
Luck ain't got nothin to do with it.

Alabama Stakes 12-30-2016 09:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverRP (Post 1083327)
I guess getting your horse in trouble as long as you save ground is a good ride nowadays. why the snippy comment?
Watch the head on. The hoss had no run when the chance was there.
Snippy comment was due to you blathering on without doing due dilligence before your erroneous posts

Indian Charlie 12-30-2016 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1083339)
Watch the head on. The hoss had no run when the chance was there.
Snippy comment was due to you blathering on without doing due dilligence before your erroneous posts
Like you with songbird?

Speaking of which, did it ever occur to you that editing out the mirror image in your avatar makes zero sense?

Alabama Stakes 12-30-2016 11:58 AM
Don't know how to resize pics. It says my files are too big.....but that's the full screen shot from the NBC feed.

Indian Charlie 12-30-2016 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1083345)
Don't know how to resize pics. It says my files are too big.....but that's the full screen shot from the NBC feed.
I'm just saying that if they doctored the photo to show Beholder winning I could see them leaving off the mirror image, but to leave it off showing Songbird winning makes no sense. In fact, if anything, it implicates you.

Alabama Stakes 12-30-2016 01:20 PM
The mirror is in my photo as a reference point. It's stationary and doesn't move. That pic shows where the 2 noses where at the finish line....you know, where they decide who won.

JBJake 01-01-2017 10:26 AM
Surprised no one commented on him not riding hard to the wire in the third yesterday that resulted in a dead heat.


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