BC Distaff 2016
 

Beholder ?
Songbird ?

neither can get to Chrome, the world champ..but what about the BCC for either ?

thoughts ?

both might have to do some running to be stellar wind

the distaff might be the best race of the BC

It seems as if the distaffers might have a better race run in the BCD than the horses in the BCC...without making to much of a wild stab..it seems a foregone conclusion that Chrome will win the BCC and off his DWC score and the BCC score he would be the HOY..

could it be possible to have a dead heat for the HOY in 2016..:eek:

one for Chrome, and another for the winner of the better race, the distaff ?

If Chrome wins the Classic, he is the clear HOY. If he doesn't then the results of the Breeders Cup may change things. Chrome could still win, but if Frosted won the Classic, he would have a shot.

If neither won, they may look to a Distaffer, but I would look at Tepin if she defends that BC Mile. Winning at Axcot makes her undefeated campaign truly historic. IMO Tepin's work is superior to Songbird's amazing campaign in the 3yo filly division.

those are all good points..

the fillies and mares are deep..and the colts seem "tired"

Chrome dusted frosted in dubai..and every other time

my BCD / BCC daily double 2016

all the fillies and mares // chrome....$14

I kind of think Beholder has lost a step,so I'll try to beat her.
But man,her 13 for 14 lifetime record at Santa Anita is just amazing. :eek:

Wonderful bet. Sharp handicapping.

Tell us again about Plum Pretty.

To be fair...Enola Grey?

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best of bets to all.

Enola got a dumb passed ride last out, but yeah, I expected more.

Plum Pretty though? Granted Songbird might be a tad overrated, but to say Plum is better is ridiculous.

let's be fair and real, Beholder is the Queen, and has been since age 2, her loss to Stellar Wind, was just that, a loss against a better horse that day, and she will win the rematch with Stellar Wind, as far as Songbird, my money is still on Beholder, she is still The Queen, Long live The Queen!!!!!!!!!!!!

If it was anywhere other than Santa Anita, I'd be more inclined to take a shot against Beholder. If Songbird was to go beat her out there, it would push an already great campaign into the stratosphere.

Is a win in the BCD better than a place in the BCC ?

probably, they dont talk about the place horses to often historically.

The budding rivalry between champions Beholder
and Stellar Wind will see its third round in the
$300,000 Zenyatta Stakes (gr. I),

trainer John Sadler is enthusiastic for his two-time grade I winner to again
take on Beholder, who could win the Zenyatta an
unprecedented fourth time.

Beholder equaled therace's namesake and 2010 Horse of the Year with a
third consecutive victory last year. Zenyatta won the
race in 2008, 2009, and 2010 when it was called the
Lady's Secret Stakes.

The pair will likely face off again in the Longines
Breeders' Cup Distaff (gr. I), where they should
encounter another champion in Songbird.

That was quite the performance by Stellar Wind. Has Behloder lost a step? Stellar Wind has never been better, but count me as very surprised she went by Beholder and then fought her off.

The Distaff really does look like a tremendous race. I'm guessing Songbird will now be a slight favorite. On paper, she hasn't run as fast as these two, but I don't know if we have seen her best. Can't wait to find out.

I wonder if you replaced Beholder on the front end with Songbird how that race ends, maybe we will see. I saw them saying Gary did not want to be on the front end, which is strange, guess that makes the BC pretty interesting from a pace standpoint.

Another tough loss for Beholder, her beyer came back 110, same as Stellar, both are exceptional fillies, Beholder better pressing the pace, The BC Distaff will be one helluva race, I believe Beholder gets her revenge and wins in a laugh...............

well it looks like Stellar Wind is the better of the 2 now.

interesting analysis -
Beholder just lost to Chrome at SA...Stellar wind defeated Beholder,
Does that mean Stellar Wind could get to Chrome in the Classic...

Nah...I doubt it



all the fillies and mares should run in the classic...Beholder, Stellar Wind and Songbird.

with no colts worth a dam at this point in the year, you have Frosted as a contender, and perhaps Arrogate. In the Awesome again, Chrome jogged on home, shut down with 100 yards to go, in front of Dortmund who is a really good horse...Chrome made him look like a claimer :eek:

not only with the fillies and mares in the classic, would that make a better race for the ITM positions in the BCC, but it frees up other distaffers to make that race competitive as well .

Beholder has been more successful in the last couple of years chasing a target early. Inside draws have forced her hand early in the Vanity, Hirsch, and Lady's Secret, so presuming she settles into a stalking position in the BC, we will see definitively whether or not she's lost a step (the speed figures don't suggest it).

Furthermore, Stellar Wind is suspect to hold her form. She has been campaigned sparingly ever since she made her first 3 starts for Sadler in quick succession culminating in a defeat in the KY Oaks. She was all out at the wire and now has to recover enough to compete in 4 weeks time instead of her normal 8 weeks.

The interesting thing to anticipate is the pace scenario. I haven't followed the East Coast closely, but Cavorting is a closer as I believe Curling and Forever Unbridled are. Will there be anyone in there to match strides with Songbird early?

I also would anticipate a very aggressive ride on Songbird. Something like this. Though dont think Songbird is as good as the winner, and probably the horses chasing are better. But aint no way they gonna go slow and make it some turf race at the quarter pole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O05tKBuAaU4 (God this 14 years ago)

The $2 million Longines Breeders' Cup Distaff (gr. I) will be the ninth race on the program, with a post time of 4:35 p.m. PT, or 2:30 on friday in new york, 330 in chicago

I think a PLACE effort in the BCC might pay more than the winners share of the BCD or the differences in the amounts- Place BCC vs Win BCD- is immaterial

The Distaff is starting to look like the strongest race of BC Weekend,I'm a Catterbox made the Spinster look easy on Sunday.
That's another easy Gr. 1 winner exiting the now key race Personal Ensign on Travers day.
For the life of me I don't know what the first two finishers [Curalina/Cavorting]were waiting for to run back.
I'm glad Dallas Stewart/Larry Jones didn't leave their sharpies in the barn and actually did what you're supposed to do with high quality race horses.........run them.

The Personal Ensign is a key race because two also rans came back to beat overmatched fields as gigantic favorites?

Both 3-5 or less and one of them beat 4 other horses.

The only thing to take from PE race is that Cavorting can be very good around 2 turns. I think most people knew and still know that the other fillies were very real G1 quality. No earth shattering news there.

What makes the Distaff a great race, is depth of potential winners, IMO Songbird is a bad bad favorite, not because I don't like her or because she hasn't been super, just because she meets a deep field, and will need to run lengths faster then she ever has in order to beat 5 other serious G1 types. If Songbird beats this group with the same easy she has dispatched the 3 year olds, I am joining the Songbird belongs in same conversation with the other all time greats. Nothing in any of her races too date makes be want to bet on her. She wins I lose sport wins

I can't see the field ending up as stacked as it could be. One of the top contenders is bound to get "sick."

You flipped the time zones...that would be 7:35 pm on Friday in NY and 6:35 pm in Chicago.