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Benny 04-30-2016 05:38 PM

CD blockng video for TVG & 4nj bets
 
you can bet, bt not view - yeah right :zz:

Pants II 05-02-2016 05:34 PM

They are marketing geniuses, no doubt. As we all know...the attention span of the average American is strong and non-wavering.

Hundreds of thousands, if not millions, will join Twinspires.com just for the chance to watch AND wager on the Derby.

And if they don't then oh well we'll tank the company, give ourselves big bonuses, and ask for a bailout for our short-sightedness and outright greed.

ONTHERAIL 05-03-2016 12:20 PM

LOL..Just logged on TVG to play todays card, and found out..Guess who will NOT be playing Churchill today..Stupid asses! Is the live feed for TVG TV blacked out as well? Mind boggling!

Benny 05-04-2016 10:41 AM

NBC SPORTS coverage
 
here's the dope
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...-week-coverage

seems no one wants to address the TVG blackout, the old , if it doesn't affect me,i don't care.

Pants II 05-04-2016 12:01 PM

I'd like to know if it's CDI blocking TVG from taking wagers or if it's TVG doubling down on stupid after the video was removed.

jms62 05-04-2016 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pants II (Post 1063295)
I'd like to know if it's CDI blocking TVG from taking wagers or if it's TVG doubling down on stupid after the video was removed.

We can bet but not watch...

Pants II 05-04-2016 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1063296)
We can bet but not watch...

Not a big deal. But then again I have at least 3 monitors going on weekends. :D

jms62 05-04-2016 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pants II (Post 1063307)
Not a big deal. But then again I have at least 3 monitors going on weekends. :D

NBC Sports channel will be televising Oaks Day from 12-6:30 and Derby Undercard so I'll turn off the sound and turn it back on when they are loading in the gate.

Pants II 05-04-2016 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1063308)
NBC Sports channel will be televising Oaks Day from 12-6:30 and Derby Undercard so I'll turn off the sound and turn it back on when they are loading in the gate.

I don't even listen to the race call. I'll listen to it on the replay though. It just hasn't been the same without Durkin.

I've got stubborn ears.

Kasept 05-04-2016 01:27 PM

TVG not authorized to show Churchill's live races
By Matt Hegarty

Churchill Downs has not authorized Television Games Network to broadcast the track’s races live on its flagship network or on TVG’s website for this year’s spring meet, an official for TVG said on Wednesday.

The signal blackout on TVG’s most widely distributed network and the company’s account-wagering platform began on Saturday, when Churchill began its spring meet, according to John Hindman, the legal counsel for TVG. However, the live television signal is available on TVG2, a network that TVG rebranded after acquiring its competitor, HRTV, early last year. TVG2 is available on far fewer televisions than the flagship station.

Customers of TVG are still able to bet on Churchill’s races through TVG’s website, the officials said.

Though Churchill officials did not respond to requests for comment by early afternoon, the blackout is likely related to Churchill’s position as a competitor to TVG in the account-wagering market. Churchill’s account-wagering operation, twinspires.com, was showing the track’s races live on Wednesday and taking bets on its races.

The weeklong run-up to the Kentucky Derby is the most important promotional period of the year for account-wagering operators, as the companies attempt to exploit national attention on the Derby to entice casual racing fans to their operations. Compared to committed racing fans, casual fans are far less likely to already have a betting account.

Churchill was a former partner in HRTV with another racing company, The Stronach Group, but Churchill sold its stake in 2014, the year before TVG acquired the network. With the acquisition, TVG gained the signal rights to all of the tracks owned by The Stronach Group for seven years, as well as the existing contracts held by HRTV. At the time, Churchill had distribution contracts with HRTV, but the company has not commented since the acquisition on the term of those contracts.

Pants II 05-04-2016 01:36 PM

So I take it the relationship with Churchill and Betfair isn't overly friendly. :D

I know it's silly of me to assume that Churchill is using an angle here but if they were competent enough to do so one would believe that they are looking into their own horse racing channel. Whether independent or in partnership with say...NBC Sports who has extra channels on satellite providers and some cable outlets specifically for premier league.

They should look into it, if not. And give me an advisors fee or $3.00 elite special club rebate.

Benny 05-04-2016 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1063296)
We can bet but not watch...

jms empty your mailbox

jms62 05-04-2016 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benny (Post 1063343)
jms empty your mailbox

Done

ONTHERAIL 05-05-2016 11:35 AM

Anyone know of any other way around it..I will not sign up for Twin Spires..Specifically because they are holding people hostage here to open an account with them..Just won't do it! There seems to be streams set for Derby Day, but nothing for today? Any ideas?

Thanks!

casp0555 05-05-2016 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ONTHERAIL (Post 1063431)
Anyone know of any other way around it..I will not sign up for Twin Spires..Specifically because they are holding people hostage here to open an account with them..Just won't do it! There seems to be streams set for Derby Day, but nothing for today? Any ideas?

Thanks!

I have an account with TW and dont bet a cent through them....of course I live in a brain dead state that doesn't allow ADW. Watch all the races through them except for GP, NYRA, and Keeneland reason based on video quality, not availability

Pants II 05-05-2016 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ONTHERAIL (Post 1063431)
Anyone know of any other way around it..I will not sign up for Twin Spires..Specifically because they are holding people hostage here to open an account with them..Just won't do it! There seems to be streams set for Derby Day, but nothing for today? Any ideas?

Thanks!

I'm not certain if they're going to show it but you can try...

http://www.twinspires.com/tstv-lite

If that doesn't work try...

http://www.nbcsports.com/live-extra

pointman 05-05-2016 04:06 PM

Considering that racing at Churchill is relevant for about two days a year these days, come Sunday, I would think that very few people will care that Churchill is not being shown on TVG or 4nj bets.

Kasept 05-05-2016 04:32 PM

Update on TVG and Churchill Downs video..

John Asher, VP Racing Communictions, Churchill Downs: “TVG currently has rights to offer wagering on races at Churchill Downs Racetrack during the Spring Meet and we have made a proposal that would provide the network with streaming rights and enable it to televise most of our track’s Spring Meet races. Exceptions include the Kentucky Derby and Kentucky Oaks, and Derby Week stakes races that will be televised by our national broadcast partners (NBC Sports/NBC Sports Network). We feel our proposal is reasonable and would benefit both parties, and it remains on the table.”

Benny 05-05-2016 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1063451)
Update on TVG and Churchill Downs video..

John Asher, VP Racing Communictions, Churchill Downs: “TVG currently has rights to offer wagering on races at Churchill Downs Racetrack during the Spring Meet and we have made a proposal that would provide the network with streaming rights and enable it to televise most of our track’s Spring Meet races. Exceptions include the Kentucky Derby and Kentucky Oaks, and Derby Week stakes races that will be televised by our national broadcast partners (NBC Sports/NBC Sports Network). We feel our proposal is reasonable and would benefit both parties, and it remains on the table.”

Why the TVG exceptions when xpressbet,drf,nyra et al can show all streaming ? This is all BS by CD, i will bet much less because of it and loss of continuity.
. CD signal for the rest of the meet is a joke and not wanted .what a deal, ice in the winter. So much for industry cooperation to build the game.

Pants II 05-05-2016 07:26 PM

I don't blame Churchill for this. It's their agreement with NBC. If you want to take issue that is where it should be directed.

The "pay wall" for the Kentucky Derby is ridiculous. NBC needs to reconsider it.

saratogadew 05-05-2016 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benny (Post 1063462)
Why the TVG exceptions when xpressbet,drf,nyra et al can show all streaming ? This is all BS by CD, i will bet much less because of it and loss of continuity.
. CD signal for the rest of the meet is a joke and not wanted .what a deal, ice in the winter. So much for industry cooperation to build the game.

Totaly agree Benny. I even think the crappy Parx phonebet is showing Churchill.

pointman 05-05-2016 10:29 PM

The real problem here is that the suits involved in the process, both CDI and NBC, are more determined to draw the Housewives from wherever fans than the core bettor.

Benny 05-06-2016 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pointman (Post 1063483)
The real problem here is that the suits involved in the process, both CDI and NBC, are more determined to draw the Housewives from wherever fans than the core bettor.

Well put. It reminds me of the saying of the PGA,

FOR THE GOOD OFF THE GAME. - Seems this is opposite of racing.

In the racing game, its HURRAY FOR US.

Pants II 05-06-2016 06:29 AM

As well documented on this forum...

I am not a fan of CDI. This is not their fault. This would be the standard under any agreement with a television network. They want record viewership and they believe, rightly so, that allowing other betting outlets outside of CDI would not be to their advantage and would hurt their bottom line.

It's a reasonable decision. NBC is wrong about not offering the Derby online at no charge. NBC Sports has always been sub-par online, however.

The issue lies with them

tanner12oz 05-06-2016 01:03 PM

Is tvg at least showing replays?

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-06-2016 01:58 PM

The HD feed on nbc sports extra app is very nice on apple tv..:tro:

jnunan4759 05-06-2016 08:01 PM

Here's what I experienced today. I have TVG2 (hrtv) left over on a paid cable add-on, so I was able to see some races this week, not all.

I went to one of the PARX Turf Clubs today and they broadcast the first few races from CD via RCN, the regular track feeds. Then it all blacked out. RCN put up a message and we had to hunt around for NBCSN. Luckily they had regular cable also, since they will sometimes show a game on TV. But otherwise, it's all RCN.

So we are watching every Derby in the last 10 years, no paddock shots, no nothing. We got a post parade, but we weren't sure if it was the CD race or Barbaro. We get no odds or nothing. We are getting a crawler on the KY Derby odds. That is tomorrow. We have no idea when post time is or odds or anything.

My buddy sees them going into the gate for one race and goes to bet and the race was already off. It was delayed. He was shut out.

The displays, were very late and only showed WPS, exacta and tri.

We couldn't see anything. We were putting vouchers into machines to try and see minutes to post and current odds. It was horrible.

People were frustrated and many just left. Nobody was mad at PARX, they were in the same boat as many. Everybody was mad at CDI. Horsplayers are smart, they know who is to blame.

Tomorrow is going to be a disaster. If you are at Churchill, you can't know how detrimental this is to racing in other places. One of the worst things I've seen.

This was a damn good card and tomorrows is too. I can't get a track stream on the internet, at home on TV or at any track or turf club anywhere near me.

All I get is Jerry Bailey. That just made everybody angrier.

Actually PA is unique. They block out open ADW competition (by state laws) and also block wifi in their facilities (by choice). Just a mess of confusion.

I just think it's a real "tell" on CDI and what they think of the public. They will gladly roll in the dough on Derby week and now the BC, but could care less about the horseplayer. They want the event crowd and make money on drinks, food, tickets and parking. Not to mention giving exclusive rights to NBCSN, a cable-only network. The NBC for the bigger part, like the Derby.

No consideration to the betting public. I've seen it all.

A great lesson about CDI was the BC announcement. They sent out press releases to all the horse racing press. "Big Announcement Tomorrow !!! Be there at Churchill at 10 AM for big news !!!". Well, they leaked the announcement to the Wall Street Journal that night to have it on the morning wire and get a stock pump. The horsracing writers looked like chumps, because they went all the way to CD and found out the story was already all over the internet. Horrible.

It's a shame. Great races today, great stories and I just wanted to see a RCN track feed.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think this would affect the handle today and tomorrow. Probably a "Racing is dying" story will follow.

I feel a bit better. Not much. If I was really in the horse racing business, I'd want to get my product available to as many people as possible. Wouldn't you think ?

Arghh.......

Pants II 05-06-2016 08:41 PM

I don't know how you folks endure OTBs.

On track attendance set a record. They don't "care". And if you look at their stock quote you'll get the answer.

jnunan4759 05-06-2016 09:21 PM

Agree Pants. The WSJ over the DRF thing just made it official.

Surprised the Oaks card was not on CNBC with a CDI ticker below.

As far as the OTB's, they are like a social gathering like the track. We only have a few. They are still a good idea if done right. We may go down to Timonium this summer, as I hear that is nice. Besides the track, the could be a nice spot. Not like the old NYC OTB's, more like a big bar and restaurant with tons of TV's and tellers.

Benny 05-07-2016 06:43 AM

7:30 am Derby Day

TVG --

4NJBets.COM is currently unavailable while we update the site. Please try again later. We apologize for this inconvenience and ask for your patience.

7;45 AM - UP

Wonder if they will stream non NBC races tday as they didnot yesterday when they said they would.

jms62 05-07-2016 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benny (Post 1063744)
7:30 am Derby Day

TVG --

4NJBets.COM is currently unavailable while we update the site. Please try again later. We apologize for this inconvenience and ask for your patience.

The new site obviously has some issues as it is constantly freezing and I have 32 GB of memory :eek:. Seems to be leaking memory like I leaked dollars on Oaks day.

pointman 05-07-2016 11:07 AM

Great start today by NBC Sports. They show us the commentators talking BS while we can see the 4th race being run in the background. :wf

saratogadew 05-07-2016 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pointman (Post 1063805)
Great start today by NBC Sports. They show us the commentators talking BS while we can see the 4th race being run in the background. :wf

It's a disgrace.

saratogadew 05-07-2016 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saratogadew (Post 1063815)
It's a disgrace.

can't wait for the Desormeaux brothers' story during the running of race 5.

jms62 05-07-2016 04:46 PM

Could not get a bet in on Fort Marcy Site wasnt responding. Probably for the best though

Pick 3 1,8/1,2/3,7

MaTH716 05-07-2016 05:13 PM

NJ Bets is down lol

knickslions2 05-07-2016 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 1063955)
NJ Bets is down lol

Tvg is down too

bigjag0716 05-07-2016 05:33 PM

TVG is so horrible, they just lost my business today.

jms62 05-07-2016 05:41 PM

TVG back up

wild barry 05-07-2016 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjag0716 (Post 1063969)
TVG is so horrible, they just lost my business today.

I totally agree. Joined recently when they offered 500 cash back. Their web site is terrible, booted off alot. Thank goodness for twin spires, no issue making bets. Good bye TVG.


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