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Left Bank 11-01-2015 08:25 AM

AP Stud Fee. Any guesses?
 
Your guess as to how high his stud fee will be, first year?

cakes44 11-01-2015 08:37 AM

$175K?

gamblin4ever 11-01-2015 10:41 AM

100k

casp0555 11-01-2015 11:11 AM

better yet...how many times will he "breed" the first year?

DonGuido 11-01-2015 12:16 PM

100K

Danzig 11-01-2015 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by casp0555 (Post 1046892)
better yet...how many times will he "breed" the first year?

too many, but all the top ones do.

mm1019 11-01-2015 04:01 PM

It's 200 grand per shot lol

bare it all 11-01-2015 05:09 PM

Well they announced Pioneerof the Nile at $125k and that "might go up" after the breeders cup. I imagine they want to price Pharoah over his sire, so maybe $150/175k?

I'm interested what Empire Maker stands for.

ateamstupid 11-01-2015 05:15 PM

At least $200k.

Travis Stone 11-02-2015 10:48 AM

250k

blackthroatedwind 11-02-2015 11:06 AM

One MILLION dollars.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...on_dollars.jpg

odbaxter 11-02-2015 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1047026)

I knew this was coming! Should have guess it would be BTW.

knickslions2 11-02-2015 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1047026)

We weren't talking about Steve Byk Sperm

DonGuido 11-02-2015 04:38 PM

But. But. But. As awesome a race horse he is, he's unproven in the shed. I'd really be surprised if it's more than POTN, and no will know what kind of real runners he'll have for 2-3 years.

DonGuido 11-02-2015 04:40 PM

Better question: which mares will be taking numbers to wait in line? First off, mares with owner's with deep pockets. :$::$::$:

Jasper131 11-02-2015 06:23 PM

Doesn't it look bad if they don't go over Pioneer of the Nile's fee? Empire Maker entered at $100,000. Ghostzapper went in at $200,000 though it fell relatively quickly.

I'll say $200,000 for AP.

Incidentally, here is the stallion page of Pioneer of the Nile, who sired American Pharoah and Athens, the impressive (maybe) winner of the...Bangalore Oaks!

blackthroatedwind 11-02-2015 07:30 PM

I believe he is actually standing for $225K. Who is actually paying that is a better question.

I will never understand how anyone could pay four times as much money to breed to American Pharoah as they will likely have to pay for Honor Code, assuming they go to a new sire. Or how about paying a similar amount to breed to Tapit?

South Beach Luv 11-02-2015 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonGuido (Post 1047053)
Better question: which mares will be taking numbers to wait in line? First off, mares with owner's with deep pockets. :$::$::$:

Saw that Ward wants to take Judy the Beauty to him.

DonGuido 11-02-2015 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by South Beach Luv (Post 1047063)
Saw that Ward wants to take Judy the Beauty to him.

Rachel . . .!!!

Alabama Stakes 11-02-2015 11:11 PM

How about first...,
Match Race of this century . AP v. Beholder

freddymo 11-03-2015 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1047062)
I believe he is actually standing for $225K. Who is actually paying that is a better question.

I will never understand how anyone could pay four times as much money to breed to American Pharoah as they will likely have to pay for Honor Code, assuming they go to a new sire. Or how about paying a similar amount to breed to Tapit?

Buy on mystery sell on history.

A better question is 225k for AP first year vs. Frankel who I think was 100k pound sterling.. How does that happen.

Only a few breeding to race that aren't Coolemoore or Zayat mares will go to him at 225K. Because it makes no sense

bare it all 11-03-2015 01:43 PM

http://www.courier-journal.com/story...-fee/75102180/

There's a bet for this.

Danzig 11-03-2015 01:51 PM

i wonder what the line is for tomsula and the 49er's gm to be fired...

Kasept 11-04-2015 08:00 AM


freddymo 11-04-2015 09:01 AM

So they arent breeding back Ivan to M'Doro? Wow think that thru they have a brilliant Filly and they arent going back to the stallion and paying up on the fee. It's breeding.... nuts

LARHAGE 11-04-2015 09:46 AM

Empire Maker is standing for 100,000 at Gainesway, NO WAY in Hell I pay more to breed to Pioneer of the Nile!! American Pharoah is a phenom so I can see the excitement of his first crop, especially considering what Ghostzapper stood for and Pharoah did significantly more, but the bargain of the bloodline is the original, proven source, I'd book Empire Maker !

bare it all 11-04-2015 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LARHAGE (Post 1047110)
Empire Maker is standing for 100,000 at Gainesway, NO WAY in Hell I pay more to breed to Pioneer of the Nile!! American Pharoah is a phenom so I can see the excitement of his first crop, especially considering what Ghostzapper stood for and Pharoah did significantly more, but the bargain of the bloodline is the original, proven source, I'd book Empire Maker !

Has Gainesway confirmed a price on Empire Maker? If it's $100k, that's a gross underpricing of the stallion in comparison. They'll book full that 135 limit in hours.

LARHAGE 11-04-2015 10:32 AM

That's what DRF was tweeting.

somerfrost 11-05-2015 03:21 PM

Only a baseless guess.....$250,000

asudevil 11-05-2015 11:31 PM

Official. 200k

Dunbar 11-06-2015 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LARHAGE (Post 1047110)
American Pharoah is a phenom so I can see the excitement of his first crop, especially considering what Ghostzapper stood for and Pharoah did significantly more, but the bargain of the bloodline is the original, proven source, I'd book Empire Maker !

(emphasis added)

If we're talking about on-track performances, I don't think I'd agree that AP did more than Ghostzapper.

http://www1.drf.com/row/pps/ghostzapper.pdf

Kasept 11-06-2015 07:12 AM


Kasept 11-06-2015 07:16 AM

Wow. That is some roster.. Uncle Mo, Munnings and Declaration are strong 'next generation' stallions.. and Stay Thirsty is going to hit too based on the early sales.

NTamm1215 11-06-2015 08:53 AM

And emboldened by the success of their fiercest rival, Darley went out and snatched a stallion for the future...Nyquist! Who of course happens to be by a Coolmore stallion.

bare it all 11-06-2015 09:09 AM

I'm shocked but not. What would make a breeder go to Pharoah (unproven at 200k) and POTN ($125k and not so hot once you get past Pharoah) when you can go to Empire Maker for the "bargain basement deal" of $100k? Mind boggling, this breeding business.

bare it all 11-06-2015 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bare it all (Post 1047243)
I'm shocked but not. What would make a breeder go to Pharoah (unproven at 200k) and POTN ($125k and not so hot once you get past Pharoah) when you can go to Empire Maker for the "bargain basement deal" of $100k? Mind boggling, this breeding business.

...and I was so busy oggling Pharoah's fee I completely missed Scat Daddy going from $35k to $100k? :$::eek::wf

Jasper131 11-06-2015 05:19 PM

What would American Pharoah's fee have been if he was whisked away after the Belmont? Gotta be lower right?

mm1019 11-06-2015 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mm1019 (Post 1046942)
It's 200 grand per shot lol

I should have wagered


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