Turf Classic
 

Any thoughts on this race??????? I really don't know who is going. I guess English Channel, Shirroco, The Tin Man and Hurrican Run. Anyone know any info on this race?

It was last week.

What???? It is a Breeders Cup race. That isn't run until Nov 4th.

The Turf Classic is at Belmont- you mean the BC Turf?

Field is definitely in flux. I've heard Hurricane Run will NOT run, that's not confirmed though.

The Turf Classic was run last week at Belmont . From what I read the only top Euro that is fairly definite for the BC Turf is Shirroco. Hurricane and Dylan out. The Arc winner, runner up, and Deep Impact out. If the turf is firm, Shirroco can be tossed. Looks like the Americans should have a good showing this year.

Love to get some nice odds on Cacique(6/1) in this 1

The Tin Man will not run the 1/2mile in 5 yrs like the Arlington Race and EC just does not have it

just curious.....why doesn't EC have it?

EC didn't beat much last week. The two Euro fillies were decent but hardly G1 runners. The Irish colt (Frosty Giant?) was unproven in Europe but looked like he could have won the thing had he not been squeezed in the lane. I don't think anyone thinks Icy Atlantic and Interpatation are G1 turf routers.
This is usually one of my favorite divisions and the best BC race but this year I'm bored with it. Last year I hit the superfecta, this year, I may pass the race.

Well has not been looking good beside that big race he just had LOL. In the Arlington did not look that great I know he was bumped at the start

Last Race He has a rabbit and 2 females, and 2 horses that could not win Grade 3 races. I know it was just a prep but come on

By all means tho please support him, all it does is raise the price on the winner CACIQUE

so...you are judging EC just on last week alone?? There is not a bigger EC fan in the world than me, but in no way was I about to get excited about last weeks race either. But he has run some very strong races this year.

It doesn't appear as if a large Euro contingent is making the trip, so I'd favor the best of the bunch in Shirocco. I bet him last year because he loved the soft stuff and there was a lot of rain leading up to the BC. If it comes up even a touch soft, that's the likely choice, though not at the generous price of 2005. Last year I declared that English Channel was the most likely winner of the 2006 BC, but not ready. After his last out, definately one to include. This is one of my favorite races on the card every year, and it is always a tough betting race, so price is paramount.

Sooooooo...him beating Cacique in the Woodford and the UN makes EC what???

Only way Shirocco wins is it it rains the whole week before the race and the turf is soft, anything that resembles firm and the horse could crumble

and EC beating him was earlier in the year, I think Cacique is hitting his stride. If this race was in April I would have said EC as the winner but its not April. Dont get me wrong EC will hit the board or 4th at worse but wont win this race

Confirmed:
Shirocco
English Channel
Cacique
The Tin Man
TH Approval

Speculation:
Go Deputy
Ace
Revved Up
Embossed
Relaxed Gesture
Better Talk Now
Silver Whistle
Ivan Denisovich
Cosmonaut

Lets agree on 1 thing tho

NO WAY in HELL does

The Tin Man win this race

I agree...all out in his last to hold off TH Approval. If TTM had run those same fractions in the Million, EC and Cacique both would have been kind enough to stop and offer him milk and cookies as they strolled on by him.

I have nothing against The Tin Man...or Cacique...or any turf horse really. My loyalties have been with EC since I first saw him in person last year at Colonial. I had seen him race prior, but it wasn't until I saw him race live that I became the huge fan I am now.

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If you hear anything, let me know, okay? I've heard nothing (... and you know i look every day).

Red Rocks might come over for the Turf.....

The Irish colt (Frosty Giant?) was unproven in Europe but looked like he could have won the thing had he not been squeezed in the lane.

No way no how. I know this is hypothetical and I actually liked Frost Giant in here but he would not have beaten English Channel. Maybe that pinching cost him 2nd but EC was a winner no matter what.

Disgraceful excuse for a grade 1 race on what was supposed to be Super Saturday. Good prep for EC and you never know, any of the Americans (EC, Cacique and Tin Man) can win with a little luck.

And that bump at the start of the Arlington Million didnt cost EC a chance at the win in my opinion. Hes good but not good enough to chase down the Tin Man after allowing him to dictate the race. Bump or no bump, I doubt he was any better than 3rd best.

Seems like a small field. Small field, pace can win the race. Tin Man could get some easy fractions if no more than 7 show up.

No one was getting by TTM after those very slow fractions....plain and simple. He is too good a horse for that.

I doubt they let that mistake happen again EB.

Have EC bring that rabbit with him LOL Seriously tho if any horse can get out there and run faster then 3 hr 1/2 mile Tin Man is done Cacique is gonna be 2 or 3 from the lead ready for the stalking trip

This probably will be a big field alot of horses have a good chance plus could get a few Euros over, not like the sprint where only 3 or 4 horses look far above the others

You never know. We know an Eurpean is going to the lead. That leaves Caique or English Channel. Maybe the put more pressure on him, but that means that they are not racing their game.

Would probably have finished second without the interference in my view, but only just ahead of the placed horses. Certainly no threat to English Channel. Frost Giant is well down the pecking order, not just in Europe, but in his own yard. Gawd help us if he's good enough to go close in a BC race!

There wont be much of a European presence this year. Hurricane Run may go if he comes out of the Champion is decent shape. Although the Arc-Champion-Turf proved pretty disastrous for the same connections' Montjeu. And he was a fair bit better than Hurricane Run.

Not sure what the plan is with Shirocco after his lifeless display in the Arc.

Red Rocks is reliable and should prove better dropped back to 12f, as I don't think he lasted home in the St Leger. He shouldn't really be good enough though.

I understand what you're saying and i know his record, but i think he could throw in a really good run here.

Bet if he comes he hits the board anyway. :)

EB...that is EXACTLY EC's game. Sit two lengths of the leader...make sure decent fractions are set...and then make the move. Just like the Canadian Turf at Gulf...like the Woodford at Church...like the UN at Monmouth. Chasing SLOW fractions...Manhattan and Arl. Million...he is not gonna go by them. These top flight turf horses are gonna be tough to pass if they are allowed to set soft fractions.

I have a feeling they bought the rabbit for more than just the Joe Hirsch. I think if they can get him in here they will.

If they bought AI to be a rabbit...they need to have a jockey on him that knows the meaning...someone call Tommy Turner.:D :D

No way does English Channel sit 2nd off of TTM. EC will be 3rd or 4th sitting about 5 lengths behind TTM. English Channel cannot win the race if he stays within 2 of TTM.

If he sets faster fractions than he did in the Million...he certainly can.

Sniper there is no reason for that unless that horse runs faster then he did in the last race. The Tin Man ran a faster time in the Million then the rabbit did.

I dont think he will.

Just curious is there any horses who like to be on the lead that might be pointing to the Turf?

They beauty of Pari-Mutual wagering:D

Look at the fractions TTM set in the Clement Hirsch and he was all out to hold off TH Approval. If he tried running those fractions and you think he was good enough to hold off the likes of Cacique and EC...well....I just think those two are a touch better than TH Approval.

Cacique has had plenty of rest...and the Joe Hirsch took very little out of EC. They are both gonna be fit and ready to go come BC day.

Yeah, they obviously need him to go much faster but I don't think that should be too much of a problem if the jockey doesn't try and steal the race this time.

The Tin Man definetely struggled in his last race. That was not his best performance.

he is 8 years old now....I wonder if he is feeling the effects of a long (but great) year now?

*note to self...ask Huno*

I'm sure his connections are stoked he picked the Arlington Million as the race to fire his best shot.

This was the first time I ever heard of Red Rocks. He was my only win yesterday besides Dreaming of Anna.