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Kasept 12-01-2014 07:40 PM

Fee impasse threatening signal distribution (UPDATE: Deal in place)
 
Impasse over simulcast fees for Stronach tracks
By Matt Hegarty

http://www.drf.com/news/impasse-over...tronach-tracks

Major simulcast sites in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, and several other states on Monday dropped the signals from tracks controlled by one of the U.S.’s largest racing companies due to an impasse over the terms of a new contract, officials for both sides of the talks have confirmed.

The impasse is pitting Monarch Content Management, which controls the simulcast rights to Santa Anita Park, Gulfstream Park, Tampa Bay Downs, and a handful of other major racing signals, against the MidAtlantic Cooperative, a collective of Thoroughbred and Standardbred racetracks that banded together more than a decade ago to increase their leverage in simulcast negotiations. Monarch Content Management is owned by the Stronach Group, the private racetrack company.

The impasse has yet to have a significant impact due to the paucity of Monarch tracks that held live race cards Monday, the first day of the blackout. However, Laurel Park in Maryland and Tampa Bay Downs in Florida resume racing Wednesday, while Golden Gate Fields in Northern California resumes racing Thursday. More significantly, Gulfstream Park in south Florida begins its highly popular winter meet Saturday, and Santa Anita begins its winter meet Dec. 26.

Though they would not provide specifics, officials for both sides said the impasse revolves around the rate that Monarch is seeking for the signals. So-called content providers like Monarch, Churchill Downs Inc., and the New York Racing Association have been aggressively seeking higher rates for simulcast signals over the past several years, with some success.

Scott Daruty, the president of Monarch, said on Monday that Monarch was seeking changes to the structure of the contract that would charge some sites in the cooperative a higher rate than other sites. The cooperative currently represents 23 racetracks, including nearly all of the tracks in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Texas, along with a smattering of harness tracks along the Eastern seaboard.

“Some of those sites [in the cooperative] don’t even run live racing anymore, and they’re still insisting that they all pay the same price,” said Daruty. “We’ve questioned whether that one-size-fits-all model should continue to apply.”

Daruty said Monarch offered to allow the sites to continue to offer wagering on the signals while the two sides talked through December, but that the cooperative declined.

“It’s unfortunate racing customers are going to pay the price,” Daruty said.

Phil O’Hara, the executive director of the MidAtlantic Cooperative, confirmed that Monarch offered to allow simulcasting to continue on an interim basis. He said Monarch had not yet responded to a proposal the cooperative sent Oct. 30, and that agreeing to the short-term extension was not in the cooperative’s best interests.

“We figure it’s better to discuss this with a long-term resolution as the goal,” O’Hara said. “We’ve been waiting since Oct. 30 to get a proposal back from them, and we figured that was enough time.”

Content providers like Monarch and Churchill have been pushing up simulcast rates at a time when the racing industry is struggling to maintain its betting figures. Handle on U.S. races has declined nearly 30 percent from the high-water mark in the mid-2000s, and a sharp decline in the foal crop has begun to put additional pressure on the live racing product. At the same time, the industry has shown no indication that it is creating new fans or stopping its loss of market share to competitors in the gambling and entertainment businesses.

Like Churchill, the Stronach Group owns and operates a national account-wagering company, XpressBet.com, giving the company an enormous amount of leverage over simulcast sites that do not take the company’s signals. If the impasse results in a local blackout, customers who do not face state-based restrictions on ADWs can open accounts with the online companies that offer the signals, which, in most cases, are owned by the companies that own the blacked-out tracks.

The MidAtlantic Cooperative said customers of its members wagered $1 billion last year. The Thoroughbred members include Parx Racing, Penn National, Atlantic City Race Course, Delaware Park, Charles Town, Colonial Downs, Suffolk Downs, Sam Houston, Retama Park, ThistleDown, Mahoning Valley, and Belterra Park, along with about a dozen harness tracks.

Kasept 12-05-2014 05:28 PM

Gulfstream simulcast in doubt as rights stalemate continues
By Matt Hegarty

http://www.drf.com/news/gulfstream-s...mate-continues

With Gulfstream set to start its winter meet tomorrow, a simulcasting cooperative and Gulfstream’s parent company remained locked in a stalemate Friday night over the rights to simulcast signals, threatening the availability of Gulfstream’s races on its opening weekend at sites in a handful of states.

Though Gulfstream’s parent company sent the cooperative a detailed proposal seeking to end the stalemate Friday, it was unlikely the proposal would lead to any immediate lifting of the blackout, according to officials for both sides. The proposal was sent by Monarch Capital Management Company, which controls the simulcast rights to tracks owned by the Stronach Group, to a group called the MidAtlantic Cooperative, which represents 23 racetracks, including most sites in Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania.

Scott Daruty, the president of Monarch, said the proposal delineated the rates Monarch believed should be paid for each site within the MidAtlantic Cooperative, a sharp departure from the group’s previous contract, which charged the cooperative’s members a flat rate. The prices varied depending on the amount of live racing conducted by a site, Daruty said, among other factors.

“It’s pretty much the way we price to everyone else in the country, which is pricing each site on an individual basis depending on the business they do,” Daruty said.

Phil O’Hara, the executive director of the cooperative, said he received the Monarch proposal Friday afternoon and was attempting to convene the group’s board Friday night for a detailed discussion of the proposal. However, he would not comment on whether he believed a deal could be reached by the start of Gulfstream’s Saturday card, which features the Claiming Crown event.

Signals from the Monarch tracks, which include Laurel, Tampa Bay, Golden Gate, and Turf Paradise, began to be cut off at the cooperative sites last weekend. A previous contract between the two parties expired Nov. 30.

Monarch has offered to allow the cooperative’s sites to continue to offer wagering on the company’s signals while the negotiations took place, but the cooperative has declined.

Kasept 12-05-2014 05:31 PM

Quote:

Monarch has offered to allow the cooperative’s sites to continue to offer wagering on the company’s signals while the negotiations took place, but the cooperative has declined.
Why would the Co-op NOT allow its' patrons to bet the signals while negotiations continue?

Kasept 12-05-2014 06:40 PM

Among other positive items this fall in racing, Charlie Hayward explains why the negotiations to raise the signal fees are important.. and fair: https://www.thoroughbredracing.com/c...an-racing-fall

Good news item #3: Simulcast impasse between Stronach Group and Mid-Atlantic Cooperative

At first glance, one might not consider the trouble between Stronach’s Monarch Content Management and the collection of small Thoroughbred and Standardbred tracks that make up the Mid-Atlantic Cooperative to be good news. But it is good news, and it is important for the future of quality Thoroughbred racing in the U.S. As I wrote in an earlier commentary, higher-quality, net-exporting racetracks have long been shortchanged in commission when they sell their signal to simulcast locations.

Monarch represents Stronach tracks Gulfstream Park, Santa Anita, Pimlico, Golden Gate, Laurel, Pimlico and some other major tracks such as Tampa Bay Downs. The Mid-Atlanic Cooperative generally represents smaller tracks and negotiates a set fee for all of their member tracks. However, at least two Mid-Atlantic member tracks, Colonial Downs and Suffolk Downs no longer conduct Thoroughbred racing and at least five of their member tracks operate slot machine gaming businesses at their racetracks. The fact that these smaller tracks make more money on a Gulfstream Park simulcast race than Gulfstream Park and its horse owners is not in the best interest of the future of Thoroughbred racing. I congratulate Scott Daruty, the president of Monarch, for forcing this issue and not caving to the short term cash flow benefit.

An anonymous commenter posted the following beneath a Dec. 1 Daily Racing Form article addressing the situation written by Matt Hegarty:

“30 years ago the pittance that the simulcast sites paid to the tracks (content) was considered found money.

Now the content provider gets 3-5% depending on the track while the simulcast site gets 15-17%, the blended takeout being 20%. Why shouldn’t it be 10-10%. In fact if a site doesn’t provide live racing why not 15-5% to the content side. The fact is the larger tracks have been subsidizing the smaller tracks by this split of the simulcast money.

Bottom line is Stronach is right….”

Anonymous, whoever you are, you have it absolutely correct.

jnunan4759 12-05-2014 11:48 PM

As you said Steve, why can't they keep going on the previous deal and keep the signals and pools open and work on a new deal. They could maybe set some deadlines and all, but shutting down the betting just screws everybody. It's like a strike where everybody loses.

They've done great work on making the medication rules uniform, now why can't they tackle the ADW issue and then takeout. To have those issues uniform would be fantastic.

The industry must take the initiative. The more government control, the less favorable things are. It's proven fact.

As you can see with the NTRA (a big failure), it comes down to people agreeing. Not a big organization or government. It's a bunch of people saying OK.

jms62 12-06-2014 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1008141)
Why would the Co-op NOT allow its' patrons to bet the signals while negotiations continue?

Seems to be a tactic to pressure Stronach by eliminating those revenue streams ahead of a big handle day. Seems like scorched earth to me.

Kasept 12-07-2014 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1008186)
Seems to be a tactic to pressure Stronach by eliminating those revenue streams ahead of a big handle day. Seems like scorched earth to me.

Yeah.. That makes sense. They failed miserably though given GP handle was up quite a bit (10+%) versus last year. I think that number shows they have momentum into the season from the successful 'Gulfstream West' moniker concept. Separately, on track they were up 36%.

casp0555 12-07-2014 07:43 AM

Finally got around to reading my home e-mail, received this from Sam Houston

To All SHRP Simulcast Customers:

Sam Houston Race Park is one of 23 members of the Mid Atlantic Cooperative. The Cooperative negotiates simulcast contracts on behalf of its member tracks.

Monarch Content Management Company is another cooperative that negotiates simulcast contracts on behalf of its member tracks. The Monarch tracks include: Tampa Bay, Golden Gate, Gulfstream Park, Laurel Park, Los Alamitos Thoroughbred, Meadowlands, Portland Meadows, Santa Anita, and Turf Paradise.

The contract between Mid Atlantic and Monarch has expired. Attempts at negotiating a renewal have so far been unsuccessful. Monarch is demanding rate increases in excess of 20% and other conditions that Mid Atlantic, on behalf of its 23 member racetracks, cannot accept.

The result of this impasse means that starting on Monday December 1st, Sam Houston Race Park and all other members of the Mid Atlantic Cooperative will be unable to simulcast the Monarch tracks.

The Mid Atlantic Cooperative remains committed to working with Monarch to arrive at an agreement that benefits all parties involved.

We apologize for the inconvenience this creates for our valued SHRP simulcast customers. A reasonably priced arrangement is necessary so we can continue to provide you with current levels of service for the long term.

Thank you for your continued support and understanding. We will keep you updated on this matter.

Sincerely,
Dwight Berube
Vice President
Sam Houston Race Park

Not much left after that except for NYRA :wf

Scav 12-07-2014 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1008321)
Yeah.. That makes sense. They failed miserably though given GP handle was up quite a bit (10+%) versus last year. I think that number shows they have momentum into the season from the successful 'Gulfstream West' moniker concept. Separately, on track they were up 36%.

For all the negative stuff said about Stronach, sure seems like he and the people he has working for him have a clue about how to move the racing industry forward.

Arletta 12-07-2014 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casp0555 (Post 1008324)
Finally got around to reading my home e-mail, received this from Sam Houston

To All SHRP Simulcast Customers:

Sam Houston Race Park is one of 23 members of the Mid Atlantic Cooperative. The Cooperative negotiates simulcast contracts on behalf of its member tracks.

Monarch Content Management Company is another cooperative that negotiates simulcast contracts on behalf of its member tracks. The Monarch tracks include: Tampa Bay, Golden Gate, Gulfstream Park, Laurel Park, Los Alamitos Thoroughbred, Meadowlands, Portland Meadows, Santa Anita, and Turf Paradise.

The contract between Mid Atlantic and Monarch has expired. Attempts at negotiating a renewal have so far been unsuccessful. Monarch is demanding rate increases in excess of 20% and other conditions that Mid Atlantic, on behalf of its 23 member racetracks, cannot accept.

The result of this impasse means that starting on Monday December 1st, Sam Houston Race Park and all other members of the Mid Atlantic Cooperative will be unable to simulcast the Monarch tracks.

The Mid Atlantic Cooperative remains committed to working with Monarch to arrive at an agreement that benefits all parties involved.

We apologize for the inconvenience this creates for our valued SHRP simulcast customers. A reasonably priced arrangement is necessary so we can continue to provide you with current levels of service for the long term.

Thank you for your continued support and understanding. We will keep you updated on this matter.

Sincerely,
Dwight Berube
Vice President
Sam Houston Race Park

Not much left after that except for NYRA :wf

This is all just getting very pitiful isn't it? I am glad I live closer to Delta and not Sam Houston now.

Cannon Shell 12-07-2014 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1008321)
Yeah.. That makes sense. They failed miserably though given GP handle was up quite a bit (10+%) versus last year. I think that number shows they have momentum into the season from the successful 'Gulfstream West' moniker concept. Separately, on track they were up 36%.

I can take credit for at least .0003% of this increase

Benny 12-09-2014 07:37 AM

Simulcast group response;

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...aracterization

Kasept 12-09-2014 02:33 PM

Thorough update by T.D. Thornton for TDN:
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...nt.cfm?id=1478

jnunan4759 12-14-2014 11:02 AM

Still status quo in PA with Parx and Penn Nat account holders and Turf Clubs all blocked on the Monarch signals. I went to a Parx Turf Club Friday and business all around was off over 60%. That's betting, food and beverage. I can't see that they can continue to operate like that for very long.

Add to that a restriction in the PA law that blocks residents by zip code from using ADW's and locks them into either Parx or Harrah's ADW providers, it takes out a bunch of wagers. I was able to get Harrah's Chester ADW access (which is through TVG) and now can bet GP. LRL and the others.

That Mid Atl fellow said that bettors put $1B into the pool yearly and I don't doubt that. However, it's not bet on the Consortium tracks. I go to the Parx Turf Clubs regularly and I'll guess no more than 2% to 5% of money wagered goes to these Consortium tracks, and I think I'm being generous. None of us bet Parx or Penn Nat. I don't think there is any track in that Consortium that handles more than $1M in any given week of live racing. GP handled $9M on this Saturday alone.

I don't know what's going to happen. I agree with Steve and others that the provider should get the majority of the revenue. They pay the bills and put out the product. So I'm OK the Consortium gets the majority of their product, however, that's not a very good product.

Big result is that it takes a ton of simulcasting players out of the loop and it's probably more important to us than the disagree'ers.

More to come, I'm right in this in Philly. Parx and Penn Nat eac. h have Turf Club (OTB) licenses and have each closed one for various reasons (bad neighborhood). To have a casino, they each have to have racing, but not OTB's. I can see them closing them down, with hundreds of jobs lost.

Jerman 12-28-2014 08:32 PM

Delaware
 
Went to delaware simulcast on Saturday? I had forgot about the dispute. Stuck with betting aqueduct inner track and Parx. Fair grounds was off the turf. Just an awful experience. Again the customer gets screwed

Kasept 12-28-2014 09:33 PM

Jernan.. Sorry that happened and this keeps dragging on. Will get an update on current status.

asudevil 12-28-2014 11:43 PM

We could have serious issues here in NV:

http://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/...-horse-players

Kasept 12-29-2014 07:28 AM

There has been no progress whatsoever in the Monarch-Midatlantic negotiations. Assuming the situation continues into next week, Scott Daruty will visit ATR on 1/5 or 1/6 to provide an update and context to Monarch's side of the impasse.

declansharbor 12-29-2014 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1010466)
There has been no progress whatsoever in the Monarch-Midatlantic negotiations. Assuming the situation continues into next week, Scott Daruty will visit ATR on 1/5 or 1/6 to provide an update and context to Monarch's side of the impasse.

Turf Clubs here in Philly are (even more) depressing as of late. The form is so thin you can fit in an envelope lol...Something needs to happen, and soon.

The part that irks me is that Midatlantic refused to import the signal that Monarch offered to continue until things were worked out. I'd love to meet the person responsible for that 'brainiac' decision. It's like Midatlantic tried calling Monarch's bluff, all while holding 'rags in the hole' themselves.

saratogadew 12-29-2014 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerman (Post 1010445)
Went to delaware simulcast on Saturday? I had forgot about the dispute. Stuck with betting aqueduct inner track and Parx. Fair grounds was off the turf. Just an awful experience. Again the customer gets screwed

I was there with my brother at Del Park all day Saturday. Made the best of it but no Gulfstream, no Santa Anita made it a little tough. I forgot that they are part of the stalemate.

saratogadew 12-29-2014 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saratogadew (Post 1010474)
I was there with my brother at Del Park all day Saturday. Made the best of it but no Gulfstream, no Santa Anita made it a little tough. I forgot that they are part of the stalemate.

Probably why they were pretty empty.

jnunan4759 12-29-2014 02:11 PM

I was also at one of the Turf Clubs of Parx this Friday and Saturday just to get out of the house and hang with some friends in the same boat. They were happy AQU was open, but it's not everybody's favorite winter betting venue.

My estimates and those I got from others was business was off 60% to 75%.

One thing people forget is that that waitresses/waiters. bartenders and mutuel clerks all suffer in this. Ticket-takers don't get tipped with nobody playing and hitting nice tickets, bartenders and wait staff don't get tipped from customers who aren't there. They all took a hit 2 weeks before Christmas.

I'd like to see what exactly we're talking about here. Both sides are secretive about percentages and arrangements. I kinda feel that this is my $2 and I should really know where it's all going. One of the obstacles is that it is basically unregulated by the state jurisdictions beyond what is going on in that jurisdiction. For example, in PA, the racing commission controls where it's state-based (Parx, Penn Nat) handle goes and it's public record. Simulcasting is different. This Mid-Atlantic Coalition and Monarch are not racing entities and come under no jurisdiction of state racing commissions.

Maybe they should.

I'm going to think up some questions and post them later this week. Not that I think any of the 2 groups involved in this really have any stake in what the betting public think. They are paid by the tracks and, most likely receive no difference in income related to handle. They seem to be buying and selling groups. No sales or performance commission as such. I don't know.

If anybody can get this settled, it's Steve.

blackthroatedwind 12-29-2014 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jnunan4759 (Post 1010482)

If anybody can get this settled, it's Steve.

That's not entirely fair. Santa is free for a little while now as well.

jnunan4759 12-29-2014 05:08 PM

Not here in PA around Philly, we're totally blacked out of Santa Anita, Laurel, Gulfstream, Tampa Bay, Golden Gate and others.

jnunan4759 12-29-2014 05:41 PM

Well what is fair ? We don't know because neither of these groups will say what they offered and counter-offered. For 95% of the country, it doesn't matter because life goes on as always.

The public gets jammed in this. Maybe I'm naive, but in this age I think that if you are offering a racing product, I should be able to wager on it. I would think you'd want me to wager on it.

Kasept 12-29-2014 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1010487)
That's not entirely fair. Santa is free for a little while now as well.

We're both on vacation..

jnunan4759 12-29-2014 10:16 PM

I think my last post got lost. I talked about the Parx employees who lost a bunch pre-Christmas. Wait-staff, bartenders and mutuel clerks.

I'm just wondering how much money is involved and being lost now and by whom.

It's been 3+ weeks. If I was running a company and was leaking serious oil, I would find a way to stop the bleeding. Maybe they aren't losing that much out of the Mid-Atl. Maybe the increase in on-track and other sources betting on GP and SA makes it a wash.

Don't know. I'm not optimistic. I think it will be settled by the Preakness. I don't think they'll give up the handle on that race.

I'd like to know who is losing money, besides the people who work at the Parx Turf Clubs. One, or both of the entities have to be losing money on this.

jnunan4759 12-29-2014 10:44 PM

Definitely you need a vacation and a "freshining". You can come back bright-eyed and bushy-tailed.

saratogadew 12-30-2014 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1010487)
That's not entirely fair. Santa is free for a little while now as well.

pretty funny a.s.

asudevil 01-01-2015 12:17 AM

Looks like NV has a NYRA signal for now.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/...ooks-stay-open

jnunan4759 01-12-2015 10:13 PM

Daruty Questions
 
I've got a few.

1) What is the deal ? What does Monarch want and what is Mid-Atl offering ? Numbers.

2) How much is being lost everyday ? By everybody ? Both sides. Numbers.

3) Isn't this detrimental to the overall product ? Is this detrimental to racing ?

4) Is this going to go on forever ?

Maybe no straight answers to these. but would like to know. Has me all screwed up.

Kasept 01-13-2015 05:08 PM

Daruty on ATR Thursday..

joeydb 01-14-2015 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jnunan4759 (Post 1012347)
I've got a few.

1) What is the deal ? What does Monarch want and what is Mid-Atl offering ? Numbers.

2) How much is being lost everyday ? By everybody ? Both sides. Numbers.

3) Isn't this detrimental to the overall product ? Is this detrimental to racing ?

4) Is this going to go on forever ?

Maybe no straight answers to these. but would like to know. Has me all screwed up.

I have same questions and hope this gets resolved very soon. My patience is wearing thin.

declansharbor 01-14-2015 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 1012450)
I have same questions and hope this gets resolved very soon. My patience is wearing thin.

Agreed. Having zero pulse on what's going on Gulfstream & Santa Anita (my two fave tracks this time of year) is beyond maddening. Something needs to happen, and soon.

NTamm1215 01-15-2015 10:13 AM

Great job by Steve with the interview today. Daruty spelled out many of the specifics and brought up some interesting aspects that have not really been covered. Well worth listening to the podcast when it comes up later today.

Just my interpretation and based on the interview only, this will not be resolved anytime soon.

jms62 01-15-2015 10:15 AM

Since I am not having the issue I haven't been following. Does this issue exist in Vegas?

dellinger63 01-15-2015 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1012547)
Since I am not having the issue I haven't been following. Does this issue exist in Vegas?

From what I remember Vegas' problem was with NYRA and at least temporarily has been resolved.

Probably for the tourney. ;)

GL and get 'er done next w/e!

jnunan4759 01-15-2015 11:02 AM

Agree with Nick. Great job Steve !!! These groups do not usually publicly talk numbers, as they are under no obligation to do so. Scott was very up-front and laid it out there pretty plainly.

NTamm1215 01-15-2015 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1012547)
Since I am not having the issue I haven't been following. Does this issue exist in Vegas?

No, Vegas is unaffected by this particular issue, even though I think they have no contract with Monarch at the moment as well. They are simply showing the signals while they negotiate, which is an offer Monarch extended to the Mid-Atlantic Coop as well.

asudevil 01-15-2015 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 1012554)
No, Vegas is unaffected by this particular issue, even though I think they have no contract with Monarch at the moment as well. They are simply showing the signals while they negotiate, which is an offer Monarch extended to the Mid-Atlantic Coop as well.

This is accurate.


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