Lava Man vs. Bernardini = Seabiscuit vs. War Admiral?
 

...I can't help but recognize the vast similarities, although this may be on a smaller scale...West coast vs. East coast, Blue collar vs. Blue blood, both dominant and very prolific in their respective regions...

Nobody will give Lava Man a chance to beat Bernardini - including me - but if he does and does it on the raod (@ CD) then it very well could shape up as a Seabiscuit-esque type of story for the media to grasp ahold of....interesting...

Nobody is giving him a chance? Well there goes your credibility right there with that ignorant statement.

The majority of people aren't giving Lava Man much of a chance...

Simply incorrect. If his odds are 5-1 or less there are alot of people giving him a chance. Besides Joel said nobody is giving him a chance. I wish that were true. I'd love to see the horse at 20-1 or greater.

the majority of the people on the east coast.

I just love how everything that is said by Joel is taken so seriously... he could have said "nobody" and meant that in a facetious manner, who knows. I know what he meant and I agree with him.

Yeah I knew what he meant as well but he's flat out wrong. I also knew what raod meant.

Then why dissect his posts? Come on Listerfiend, I know you're in there somewhere! :D

Because there are people who are picking Lava Man over Bernardini!! Bernardini is the favorite but that doesn't mean nobody is giving him a shot. Unless he's talking about members of this board, which for the most part have already annointed the horse the GOAT.

Actually in my opinion he was pretty darn correct in his statement. Just wait til BC day.. I bet there will be a LOT more money bet on Bernardini to win than Lava Man

Fine he's correct. Nobody is going to make a win wager on Lava Man.

Jesustapdancingchrist.

whoa now fellas... lets not get your weenies in a twist. bernadini will be the favorite... agreed? lava man will probably be second choice but probably still a nice price considering... agreed? now hug it out bitches.

You are cracking me up girl! LOL!!! Steve is going to be on your a$$ with all of this weenie talk today! :eek: :D

And all of the people who bet on Lava Man are a bunch of nobodies. I worked for Churchill and I know! Hmmph

*points nose to the sky*

Unfortunatly you take comments way out of context. Cunningham was very correct in saying that Lava man is the David to Bernardini being Goliath. That does not mean that people will not bet on "David" to win, they will, he will be second or third choice depending on how Invasor trains up to the race (in my opinion Lava Man will be the second choice). But the Bern' will be the clear favorite.

Lava Man also has a chance, if Bernardini stumbles or gets boxed in or simply runs like Point Given did on Derby day, Lava Man (or Invasor) should win. If Bern' runs a clean race, he will be tough but Bernardini is again, in my opinion, the better horse.

Also, people will doubt Lava Man because he is running outside of California. Not to take away any credit from Lava Man, because he is a very good horse who is a Grade 1 winner on turf and dirt, but he may be in over his head against Bernardini.

It will be difficult to get my weenie in a twist because I am a girl! (the bitches comment was more accurate for me)

So am I... but I can assure you that Pillow Pants and Cunningham are not. :D

It's usually the women that cheer for Bernardini.

*runs*

Myself not included... I'm one of the few on here (yourself included :p ) that would like to see more before I annoint him the next great one. The horse is definitely talented, but I'm now bowing down just yet.

It's tough for me to pick Lava Man, because he runs on the front end. I['m cheering for him to break up my best if it's any horse. But carrying over the pace (unchallenged or not) at that 1 1/4 Mile distance is so damn tough... He'd have to be Ghostzapper hehe...

lava man and bernardini are comparable to war admiral and seabiscuit?!?! now that's a hoot! oh lord...next it'll be nashua and swaps. affirmed and alydar. sonny and cher...oh wait, maybe not that last set!!

this is insane comparing Seabiscuit to Lava Man what an insult to Biscuit

That's right!! If he wins the BCC i'll concede he's the best. However, I have my doubts about the Bernardini crowd if he loses. I'm sure it'll be excuse city if he doesn't win.

only horse that belongs with those great name is Bernardini

So, you're saying that Bernardini is great? He's run 7 times... I'm sorry, but I just can't concede to him being a great horse after 7 starts.

ditto. i guess im just hard to impress. :D

Actually the bigger insult goes to War Admiral than to Seabiscuit in the Bernardini-Lava Man comparison.

Take a close look at Seabiscuit's race record...a lower winning percentage for his career than Lava Man at this time and probably if you look at the stakes races, fewer Grade 1 equivalent wins than Lava Man over a longer career. The Grade 1's that I see for Seabiscuit are the HGC, SA 'Cap, Pimlico Special and maybe the San Juan Capistrano when it was run on dirt.

What separates Seabiscuit from Lava Man and potentially any other handicap horse in this era are the times of his races and the weights that he carried. Those factors made him wildly special (plus beating a Triple Crown winner mano-a-mano) and an absolute legend for all-time.

To compare Bernardini to War Admiral at this stage of Bernardini's career is just plain nuts in my opinion. War Admiral won the equivalent of at least 6 of today's Grade 1's and probably 7 as the Widener was Hialeah's signature race during its golden era as well as being a Triple Crown winner.

i also am more amazed at comparing bernardini to war admiral. how many records did WA set? broke more than one of his old mans....belmont record set with 1/4th of one hoof ripped off and blood flying with every step. the injury was so severe they thought they might have to retire him...

Good God...I said on a "smaller scale"...some of you look to bitch about something, I swear...the stories are VERY similar to me if you institute modern day racing with the way racing was back then in the depression era....

Cunningham,

Dick Jerardi at DRF validated you anyway with an article entitled "Lava Man: The Seabiscuit of Today." Just do a DRF archive search for this year soon after the running of the HGC. I wouldn't let mean-spirited people get you down.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Holy cow..ITS A FIGURE OF SPEECH!!! Hell, Brother Derek will be 25-1 so theorectically he has a "chance", although all analysts will say he has NO chance, but obviously somebody will bet on the horse - get it?

Some people on this board.....wow :eek:

Remember the Seabiscuit story..nobody gave him a chance to beat War Admiral from a non-literal standpoint...

Pillow Pants would knock sliced bread, and then wine about the butter he spreads on it.....some people are just like that

Every analyst says he has no chance? Where are your sources?

You'd kill a girl just to take her place in the harem, you insufferable jackass.

You'd have been the one on the sidelines booing the Biscuit... you of little faith...

Again my slow friend, 'every' is a figure of speech.....geez...unbelievalbe....:rolleyes:

Hey now! Lets talk about something we can all agree on... Cajun looks good in lace and whiskey. And Pink Floyd was neither pink nor named Floyd.

LMAO! :eek:

How did I get brought into this?! :D

Well I certainly wasnt going to use myself as the scape goat!