HOY sense
 

Albertrani shoots his mouth off. He tells us its this and that, blah blah blah...where was he in the Fla Derby, the KY Derby, the Belmont ? HE WASN'T THERE and neither was Bernardini...

Barbaro is easily the HOY, not a pretender like Bernardini and Albertrani.

It's a "wait and see thing right now". If Bernardini wins the BC Classic, he's HOY hand down. Much repsect to Barbaro, but I'm not sure if he woulda beaten Bernardini or Preakness day. But if Bernardini doesn't win the Classic, I agree with you 100%. THE CLASSIC MEANS EVERYTHING...

barbaro is not in the picture. bernardini, lava man, or invasor. the winner of the classic wins hoy. one of those three will win. nobody else has a shot. somebody else might finish ahead of lava man or invasor, but only lava man or invasor could finish ahead of bernardini.

bernardini is going to be hoy. he is 5-6 lenghts better than anything out there.

The only thing that is becoming very clear to me is and this comes from reading several of your posts.


Sumitas=Absolutely Clueless I am putting it nicely.

Tommy Albertrani is one of the Good guys in racing today and I say that because I know him pretty well.

where was he?
he was preparing his horse and not rushing him to meet your stupid expectations of what a HOY campaign is...
whether he beats out Barbaro for HOY or not (and I say he does) your comments about Tom Albertrani are way off base...the times that I have spoken to him he has been nothing if not classy. The man is proud of his horse and how exactly can he controll the cowards who won't run against him?

The only thing that makes me happier than Bernardini winning is seeing whiners marinate in their own misery. Right - Tom was supposed to rush a maiden breaker into the Florida Derby just in case the horse turned out to be a monster so that, as a pre-emptive strike, he could defend himself later against any haters out there.

Enjoy your bitterness

bernardini and albertrani are pretenders? this is the best 3yr old in 30 years and the guy training him deserves a ton of the credit. you can ruin a great horse pushing him too quickly.

in my opinion this is the best horse since spectacular bid. too bad they are going to retire him. his action is perfection. glides over the track.

The HOY is between Bernardini and Lava Man, Invaisor might have a shot at it if those two falter, but not likely. It's a shame what happened to Barbaro, but Bernardini is a better dirt horse than him, that's no knock on Barbaro. I guess all that we can hope for is that LM and Bernardini get an honest race and may the best horse win, which will probably be Bernardini, but at least we'll get to really see how great he is. I think the whole shipping and Lava Man thing is getting blown out of proportion, he wasn't right, both of those times. On the big race days Churchill scrapes that track and it very much resembles a California track and the California runners do just fine. I thought LM ran a very good race yesterday and with all of his G1's this year, if he wins the Classic, he's HOY, but he'll have to earn it just like Bernardini will have to and then there will be no debate as to how great Bernardini is or how good LM is....

there is no way of knowing if bernardini is better than barbaro would have been. bernardini deserves hoy over him though because he has accomplished more. injuries are part of racing.

There's no way of knowing, that's true, but I bet on Bernardini in the Preaknes, heck even my wife who might watch a couple races a year, looked at the pp's and told me to put $20 to win on Bernardini. I think Bernardini still wins the Preakness, even if Barbaro didn't break down, because Barbaro was coming off of a huge top and running back on short rest, I think Bernardini would have won anyway, because those other horses were all over the top anyway...

there is no way of knowing. it is a pointless discussion. barbaro might have won by 5 or lost by 5. his derby was just too good to say he might not have won the preakness.

If you were basing HOY only on Saturday then the nod would go to Lava Man. Really impressive giving 9lbs in the Goodwood.

Classic winner, or whomever finishes ahead of whom, between Invasor, Bernardini and Lava Man is HOY.

No way Barbaro gets HOY. If 'Dini doesnt get it, Lava Man should. To me, each have already done more in their careers than the Derby winner...

The award will go to either Lava Man or Bernardini depending on who finishes ahead of who in the Classic.

If Lava Man wins the Classic hes horse of the year. That being said I dont think he stands a chance, hes still had a hell of a year out on the West Coast. I do think hes a cut below Bernardini, however I think hes on par with Invasor.

We all love Barbaro, but it's probably Bernardini, Lava Man or maybe Invasor for HOY .... BCC will sort things out.

here's a question....
what if the three all finish up the track? what if david junior wins for instance??? lol
or sun king? hey, it's horse racing! anything can happen!

i agree that the classic will play a huge part. all 3 could finish up the track and that puts Barbaro back on top.

Do you honestly see a scenario where all 3 are out of the money?

What if Sun King wins the Classic? Or Perfect Drift? Do they get any consideration? Because you'd conceivably be putting all the major contendors for HOY in the same race. So if Sun King were to come out on top... would you give him HOY?

maybe not out of the money, but more like not in first place. my choice is Barbaro for HOY...he did a lot, was injured. could have done a lot more.

why hold the injury against Barbaro ? i don't, that's why he's my HOY.

You know, I was going to write a response to this unbelievably ridiculous post, but there are so many quotes in here that have already destroyed it by using, you know, logic, I think I'll just post some of the ones I like the most.

AND MY ABSOLUTE FAVORITE..

Very, VERY well done Betsy. That might be my new signature.

Feel free, Ateam and thanks!

You know, I'm really enjoying this now. I visit and post on several message boards, and on each one, there is at least a couple of people who's utterly nonsensical ravings about Bernardini make me want to either :rolleyes: or :D.

One poster on another board said that Bernardini didn't impress him and pointed out that he was sweaty after the race and so the race clearly took a lot out of him......That may have been my favorite anti-Bernardini post of all time. I saw him after the race - yes, he probably didn't have a good deoderant on since the colt had some visible droplets of sweat. :rolleyes: He was great in the winner's circle, tossing his head and not standing still ; colt crackled with energy. I know we haven't yet had to see it on the track, but I really do think this is an ultra-competitive horse. A local racing writer (NY Newsday) called Bernardini fierce, and I think that is a good description. By the way, he apparently came out of Gold Cup in fine fettle, bouncing around like he'd never run - I love to read that. He's got a wonderfully strong constitution.

'Fresh' horses do not win BC races, as a rule. Therefore, I see Invasor and David Junior with little chance. The award is between the two most worthy, Bernardini and Lava Man. :cool:

The bigger question is what happens if Invasor finishes ahead of Lava Man but Invasor doesn't win the race (expecting Bernardini or David Junior to win). Who is champion Older Male? I still say Lava Man given 4 Grade 1's with one on turf plus a Grade 2 and a million $ restricted stakes race trump 3 east coast Grade 1's. Any thoughts?

I think the champion Older Male is going to be Lava Man. I think he is actually going to run well at Churchill Downs. I changed my mind about him.

i think lava man has top older wrapped up, multi-surface winner, unbeaten all year.
it is hard to see one of these three not winning. but you never know, which is why they run them! certainly will put a wrinkle into things. but at this point i don't see barbaro getting hoy. i think either bernardini or lava man will get hoy even if they both lose. only way one of them doesn't get it is if invasor wins the classic.
someone asked if its believed invasor will really run in the classic? if he's healthy, yeah, i think he does.

The title is "HORSE of the YEAR" ...

... not "BEST 3YO THROUGH THE FIRST WEEK OF MAY"

you know him so well then pass my opening post to him...he's gotten lucky by picking up pieces the last few months.

Barbaro is probably out of HOY running and his only shot for 3yo champ if for Bernardini to run up the track in the Classic.

Yep, I'll be laughing while you guys sit on here and pout about it. I think Drifty gets a win in... and the BCC is the place to do it.

Is your bra on too tight?

Nope, how is yours? ;)

From the 1/8th pole to the wire he wouldn't pass a ****ing parked car!!!!

Always! Puts them front and center. :D

Ya know, I could almost love you if you retracted the Balletto comment!