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Merlinsky 05-17-2014 08:47 PM

NY and nasal strips?
 
Someone in the Bloodhorse.com comments (I know, I know, I need to stop reading article comments everywhere, for all time) wondered if NY still prohibited nasal strips on horses and noted that California Chrome wears one. I'll be honest, I hadn't noticed that the way I did with I'll Have Another, but for the sake of argument say he normally has one. Would they be allowed to wear it in the Belmont this year? I remember their point that IHA wasn't gonna be allowed to wear his.

Rudeboyelvis 05-17-2014 09:06 PM

I don't know why, in jurisdictions where they are allowed, are not required to report them as "Equipment".

Jason DeCosta, second only to Jamie Ness (28% to 29% with half the starters as Ness) at Tampa Bay Downs this winter meeting, used them regularly.

MichiganMattA 05-18-2014 07:23 AM

Grening said yesterday on Twitter nasal strips are not permitted in NY.

10 pnt move up 05-18-2014 10:43 AM

Talk he may not run, that would be fun for racing.

IrishofNDMan 05-18-2014 10:53 AM

This rule is stupid and I will laugh at The NY Stewards if he decides not to run.

Duvalier 05-18-2014 10:59 AM

The NY stewards are still using this lame rule?

10 pnt move up 05-18-2014 12:01 PM

Lead story on Sportscenter right now

pointman 05-18-2014 12:18 PM

While I think the NY rule is stupid and certainly should be changed, if they don't run because NY doesn't allow nasal strips, that tells me more about the connections belief as to whether the horse can win the race than it does that they would not run because he cannot wear a nasal strip.

Sightseek 05-18-2014 12:30 PM

Now NBC can talk all about nasal strips when they should be showing the undercard races. A refreshing break from the overplayed "he doesn't break well" of the last two telecasts.

Calzone Lord 05-18-2014 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 978939)
A refreshing break from the overplayed "he doesn't break well" of the last two telecasts.

That angle was only over-played because he did, in fact, break well.

Here's a replay of his last defeat, breaking from post 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYtIXS8o2O0

Victor Espinoza picked up the mount after that defeat.

Even with Espinoza, California Chrome is a pretty feast or famine gate horse. If he breaks poorly, he runs the risk of getting his face dirty. He absolutely hated the kickback in his last defeat. He became uncontrollably rank.

Early speed and tactical speed horses usually don't care for kickback.

If you're going to talk about the favorite, you have to discuss pitfalls, if there are any.

This horse rocks in the gate. He practically beat the gate in the San Felipe and caught a flyer in the Preakness. He broke terribly in the Santa Anita Derby, but none of the three riders who had the opportunity, were smart enough to cross in-front of him.

Sightseek 05-18-2014 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 978947)
That angle was only over-played because he did, in fact, break well.

Here's a replay of his last defeat, breaking from post 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYtIXS8o2O0

Victor Espinoza picked up the mount after that defeat.

Even with Espinoza, California Chrome is a pretty feast or famine gate horse. If he breaks poorly, he runs the risk of getting his face dirty. He absolutely hated the kickback in his last defeat. He became uncontrollably rank.

Early speed and tactical speed horses usually don't care for kickback.

If you're going to talk about the favorite, you have to discuss pitfalls, if there are any.

This horse rocks in the gate. He practically beat the gate in the San Felipe and caught a flyer in the Preakness. He broke terribly in the Santa Anita Derby, but none of the three riders who had the opportunity, were smart enough to cross in-front of him.

I think we all got that the first time.

To go over this again and give us an aerial tour of Pimlico instead of showing live racing, was bad tv.

Danzig 05-18-2014 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pointman (Post 978937)
While I think the NY rule is stupid and certainly should be changed, if they don't run because NY doesn't allow nasal strips, that tells me more about the connections belief as to whether the horse can win the race than it does that they would not run because he cannot wear a nasal strip.

It tells me they think they can get their way

jms62 05-18-2014 01:38 PM

Meanwhile CEO of Breath Right seen doing back flips.

geojr130 05-18-2014 03:48 PM

Buy Stock in Nasal Strips. Everyone and their brother will be wearing them for the Belmont. :rolleyes:

ateamstupid 05-18-2014 05:35 PM

So glad New York has a rule on the books outlawing nasal strips. Meanwhile Michelle Nevin is improving horses 10 lengths off other trainers for all of Rick Dutrow's old owners and no one bats an eye.

Duvalier 05-18-2014 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 979037)
So glad New York has a rule on the books outlawing nasal strips. Meanwhile Michelle Nevin is improving horses 10 lengths off other trainers for all of Rick Dutrow's old owners and no one bats an eye.

Lol. Yeah those nasal strips have horses running off the screen at all these other tracks. Have to put a stop to it.

GenuineRisk 05-18-2014 08:27 PM

NYRA's Facebook page is kind of hilarious right now- almost every comment on the most recent posts is some kind of threat about what the commenter will do if the stewards refuse to allow CC to wear a nasal strip.

Though, if NYRA doesn't have the sense to have a low-level employee in charge of deleting critical comments on their Facebook page, I am not optimistic that they'll have the sense to drop the anti-nasal strip thing.

joeydb 05-18-2014 08:43 PM


slotdirt 05-18-2014 08:50 PM

Likely a dumb rule, but the horse is going to run in a few weeks nasal strip or not. Out of curiosity, why is there a ban in the first place?

pointman 05-18-2014 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 979082)
NYRA's Facebook page is kind of hilarious right now- almost every comment on the most recent posts is some kind of threat about what the commenter will do if the stewards refuse to allow CC to wear a nasal strip.

Though, if NYRA doesn't have the sense to have a low-level employee in charge of deleting critical comments on their Facebook page, I am not optimistic that they'll have the sense to drop the anti-nasal strip thing.

The decision is made by the stewards, not NYRA.

pointman 05-18-2014 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 979084)
Likely a dumb rule, but the horse is going to run in a few weeks nasal strip or not. Out of curiosity, why is there a ban in the first place?

The stewards claim they don't know how to regulate it if it falls off in the paddock or during a race.

http://www.drf.com/news/will-new-yor...r-nasal-strips

GenuineRisk 05-18-2014 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pointman (Post 979086)
The decision is made by the stewards, not NYRA.

Which I referenced in my post, to wit, "if the stewards refuse to allow CC to wear a nasal strip."

But nevertheless:



;)

From the article you linked to, it sounded like Doug O'Neill never formally requested to use the nasal strips prior to the scratch.

Bigsmc 05-19-2014 04:09 AM

This incredibly lame topic almost makes me yearn for the days when NY did not allow Lasix.

Cannon Shell 05-19-2014 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pointman (Post 979087)
The stewards claim they don't know how to regulate it if it falls off in the paddock or during a race.

http://www.drf.com/news/will-new-yor...r-nasal-strips

That may be the most idiotic reasoning ever used considering that they arent even considered equipment in any jurisdiction except NY which only uses that designation to "ban" them. Especially considering that tongue ties which can also come off in the post parade or during a race arent considered reported equipment despite their far greater ability to effect performance.

Ironically I sat through a presentation a few years back at the International Lasix conference held at Belmont where several reports praised the use of nasal strips in combating EIPH in a easy, safe and non-drug use way. Obviously no one from NYRA including 2 of the stewards who were in attendance was paying much attention.

Arletta 05-19-2014 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 979098)
That may be the most idiotic reasoning ever used considering that they arent even considered equipment in any jurisdiction except NY which only uses that designation to "ban" them. Especially considering that tongue ties which can also come off in the post parade or during a race arent considered reported equipment despite their far greater ability to effect performance.

Ironically I sat through a presentation a few years back at the International Lasix conference held at Belmont where several reports praised the use of nasal strips in combating EIPH in a easy, safe and non-drug use way. Obviously no one from NYRA including 2 of the stewards who were in attendance was paying much attention.

:tro:

Seattleallstar 05-19-2014 08:06 AM

wow this is the lead story on CNN.com, main page with big headline "California Chrome might miss Belmont"

Danzig 05-19-2014 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar (Post 979104)
wow this is the lead story on CNN.com, main page with big headline "California Chrome might miss Belmont"

media blowing this out of proportion. he won't miss it due to the strip.

but then, they don't have a missing plane to introduce a crap-ton of conspiracy theories about, so they have to do something.

tector 05-19-2014 08:58 AM

NY manages to embarrass the sport again. Apparently they can't figure out what everybody has been able to manage.

SundayStar 05-19-2014 09:41 AM

this quote from Doug O'Neill cracks me up

''I can't imagine them being that ignorant that they would do that again,'' O'Neill said. ''New York has gotten a lot better with common sense. It seems like a more rational place now.''

Benny 05-19-2014 09:48 AM

Nasal strip ok to go ! just confirmed by Sherman on ATR show 10:45 AM Monday . NO PROBLEM :zz:

asudevil 05-19-2014 09:50 AM

Have now been approved for CC in Belmont. Well played by his team. Total leverage maneuver. Those good ole boys ain't so dumb.

pointman 05-19-2014 10:01 AM

Well I can certainly breathe easier now. :rolleyes:

NTamm1215 05-19-2014 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tector (Post 979110)
NY manages to embarrass the sport again. Apparently they can't figure out what everybody has been able to manage.

Yeah, maybe they can follow a true industry champion like Churchill Downs.

Benny 05-19-2014 10:49 AM

Breaking news just now on MSNBC with Randy Moss interviewed by Tamron Hall on NASALGATE. :eek: nyra OK'S IT , :zz:

OldDog 05-19-2014 11:28 AM

But, what if it falls off in the paddock or during the race??? Will Raul have to bend to pick it up? Might it not impede the other horses? :eek:

joeydb 05-19-2014 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 979135)
But, what if it falls off in the paddock or during the race??? Will Raul have to bend to pick it up? Might it not impede the other horses? :eek:

For a triple crown try, they will Krazy Glue that thing on there.


Stickhorse 05-19-2014 12:24 PM

The California Chrome Story is so huge we have thread about nasal strips!

Who'da thunk it a month ago?

parsixfarms 05-19-2014 12:32 PM

I surprised that the issue of whether the Jockey Club will allow the owners to run under DAP Racing (knowing what it stands for) or to use their silks (with donkey on back) hasn't come up yet.

NTamm1215 05-19-2014 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 979145)
I surprised that the issue of whether the Jockey Club will allow the owners to run under DAP Racing (knowing what it stands for) or to use their silks (with donkey on back) hasn't come up yet.

Those should both be allowed, right? I know there's a specific rule about having text on silks in NY that is not allowed, but this shouldn't really violate it.

Kasept 05-19-2014 01:14 PM

Believe non-TJC approved silks/blinkers are OK in stakes. Must conform in NY otherwise.

Forget whose silks this came up with that helped alter the standards... might have been Brother Derek with the NBC peacock on the jacket.


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