3 Dead 23 Wounded in 10 hrs. of battle
 

In Chicago.

http://www.suntimes.com/27066402-761...f-weekend.html

We'll see what the rest of the w/e brings.

Carry On...........

Take a bow, Chicago.

More guns needed

And more boot camp, less jail time......

The only positive is, if stats hold true most if not all the victims were felons and for two of the three that were killed their life of crime is over. No prison time necessary.

For the 23 wounded, they'll be slowed down a bit.

Thank God though they all are required to have their own health insurance so as not to be a burden on their parents or society. :rolleyes:

NO!

LESS guns - MORE understanding *Organizes a Kumbaya drum circle with GBBob here for the next four weeks*:

http://news.yahoo.com/four-chicago-n...213400258.html

You have a 1 in 9 chance of being a victim of violent crime here:

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/il/.../halsted-77th/


so if you, by chance, happen to find your self here, do what GB Bob does - give up your gun (why would anyone need to defend themselves in utopia? - Crazy Talk!) and rely solely upon the kindness and compassion of the upstanding neighbors which inhabit this pillar of social community, for they will do nothing but welcome you with open arms and encourage you to consider joining them.

No..not really, but I'm not sure what Steve's point either is in posting weekly stats about what sadly occurs in certain neighborhoods. Yeah..if there were no guns, there would be knives and rocks and bats, but a lot less inncocent kids would be killed. Otherwise, besides less or no guns, what is the answer? Build more jails? Agreed..Federal Funds needed though. Longer sentencing? Sure..back to more jails though. I'm not naive, nor Liberal enough to think what you guys think I might, but I sure would love to hear some answers instead of smarmy comebacks.

More guns needed..

:rolleyes:

Do as I say not as I do, eh?

Yeah...I did think about that one a little late. Point taken

I vote that we can have as many guns as we would like however I'd also like to see tougher back ground checks and Mandatory Minimums for any crime involving guns. Hell Plaxico Burress did time for shooting himself.

It's meant to serve as a point of reference to what are true problems, that occur weekly, but are ignored for some reason.

You as well as I know it's a gangbanging problem, nothing less and nothing more. Until the self-appointed African American/Hispanic leaders bearing false witness are replaced with actual role models the gangbangers will be protected and falsely projected as victims of the system. Meanwhile the poor, innocent people forced to live in the gang infested neighborhoods will suffer along with the occasional lost tourist.

Unfortunate almost every kid in the city knows who Jesse Jackson and family is but no one knows Donald Thompson. And some here, namely Danzig vilify the man as some greedy capitalist when in fact he was he kid who grew up around Cabrini, made it through Purdue's engineering school and then went on to work his way through the ranks of McDonalds before becoming the company's CEO.

But like ties in kids sports, no valedictorians in high schools, pass or fail as opposed to grades, mediocrity is the new measure of success and a cheating religious leader with felons as children makes for a much better role model of mediocrity than does a self-made CEO who despite growing up amongst the gangbanging, succeeded with pen and paper and not a ball in his hand.

Building more prisons = tax burden

Addressing poverty and how currently it's advantageous for the poor to have children would be a much better start.

But then again it's much easier to be spineless and harass the lawful citizens with guns than it is to address real problems.

I am so glad my Nephew and family moved out of that city.:)

I was worried all the time of them getting caught in the cross fire in the "War Zone" of that city.:mad:

Shootings in the City of Chicago reportedly cost $2.5 billion per year.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...at-bleeds.html

In Illinois it costs $25K/year to house a prisoner.

Chicago reportedly has 70,000 gang members and those 70K are responsible for the vast majority of gun crimes.

Devise a plan to target and lock up the worse 10% or 7,000 bangers. At 25K per year the plan would cost 175 million or 7% of the money lost every year to the cost of shootings.

BTW Locking up all 70K would run $1.75 billion a year or 70% of the yearly cost of just shootings. Add on the ancillary costs of housing, feeding and schooling the bangers on the outside not to mention the property they steal and damage, the classrooms and neighborhoods they disrupt and trash it would seem a no-brainer financially. When you consider the innocent lives saved it seems irresponsible not to.

25k a year? Pffffft.

https://www2.illinois.gov/idoc/.../m...er.aspx‎

Search. Illinois Department of Corrections ... Average Annual Cost Per Inmate: $20,507 (FY12) ... Menard Correctional Center's Visiting Rules and Regulations.

Yes and I can link a study showing that the actual costs are $38,000/year.

But I'm not the one insinuating that putting these "gangbangers" in prison en masse is going to solve the problem of gun violence.

It simply won't.

Especially considering that the majority of these gangs originated and were funded by people who didn't live in Illinois.

And this isn't like the movie Minority Report where there's a "pre-crime" division. Come on now.

I see 38 and go all in

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/ny...tudy-says.html


My point is you can find a "study" to support anything,.

Of course you can find a study however the IL Department of Corrections is the number I'll go with.

I'm not either, just pointing out cost is not a factor when you consider the costs already being incurred. Many of the gangbangers are technically wanna-be's who w/o the influence of the gang may very well lead productive, crime free lives.

Long before the Crips and Bloods were the Black P Stone Rangers/El Rukns (Jeff Fort) in the late 50's, the Latin Kings (Luis Felipe) 1940's and the Gangster Disciples (Larry Hoover) early 70's. All were founded in Chicago.

The P Stones (bricks) and Latin Kings formed an alliance back in the late 70's-early 80's calling themselves the People's Nation to fight the ever expanding Disciples and its Folk Nation. They have been at war ever since. So when a Latin Disciple comes across a Latin King it's a problem and grounds for murder because one is Folk and one is People and THAT IS ALL IT TAKES nothing to do with race or anything else.

BTW Final stats for the w/e were 4 dead and 35 wounded.

Because Bob, before you get an answer you have to fully comprehend the question you are asking. It's not simply cause and effect. Gang-related crime is rampant for a reason - solve the reason and solve the problem. Unless the "problem solvers" are profiting from the reason- then it may go on for decades upon decades...

oh wait...:(

Interestingly enough, this radio call ostensibly about Donald Sterling brought up the Chicago shootings:

http://deadspin.com/in-10-minutes-es...ste-1569195989

Great listen.

And all along I thought my parents moved us out of Chicago so we could have a yard.:eek:

The most recent Chicago murder involved a 14 year old girl killing another 14 year old girl over a boy with a gun furnished by the killer's 34-year old Uncle. The uncle who is paralyzed from a 2010 shooting, allegedly cleared the gun for his niece and handed it back to her after it didn't fire the first time and to cap it all off the entire episode was captured on a cell video. :wf

To make things worse the murder of the woman he speaks of, Leonore Draper, looks more like she was targeted, because of her anti-violence/gang activities.

Hey karaoke, salsa lessons, drama lessons, paint and new release movies all cost money.

Hopefully there's outrage in NYC this morning. :mad:

http://nypost.com/2014/05/05/accused...ushy-bellevue/

I guess getting coverage, outside of Chicago, late is better than never. Thankfully the author NAILS it.

Only 80 people shot and 14 killed this weekend.

http://nypost.com/2014/07/07/whats-b...cagos-carnage/

And the do-nothing mayor was recently the White house Chief of Staff. :zz:

But I'm sure the root cause of all of it all is Fox News/ G.W. Bush/ Racists picking on the President/ and of course, OMG WE NEED MORE GUN LAWS!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/c...-gun-violence/

UPDATE:
The mayor HAS chimed in - he says the violence is “senseless” and “totally unacceptable”

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...o-july-weekend

Unbelievable. Incompetency run amok.

I don't think you can put blame on the mayor as his minimum-mandatory sentencing plan for gun crimes was shut down by politicians representing the same communities the violence is occurring, calling the plan racist.

The people in the neighborhood know who the gangbangers are, so do the police and so does Jesse Jackson, politicians et al.

The people live in fear of reprisal as they live with the gangbangers while the police can't stop and search or even count on prosecutors and judges to do their job to the fullest because of Jesse Jackson et al protecting the bangers under the guise of racism.

It's a classic case of FUBAR and the cries for stricter gun laws in a city with the strictest gun laws constantly affirms that.

Ridiculous. He is the Mayor of the city, he has a responsibility to call out representatives of these communities responsible for upholding laws detrimental to the citizenry of the city. Perhaps Rahm should put a call into his buddy in the White House, you'd have to admit the guy has got a knack for bypassing those pesky legislators. ;)

Crazy when Chicago makes Camden, NJ look enjoyable.

Sign of the apocalypse?

And we wonder while the government is stockpiling all that ammo?

He has called out the reps and they in turn called him racist and formed some 'never to be heard from again' group to investigate.

The President is well aware of the problem and does his best to avoid these neighborhoods, including his racist former pastor's church and all the other churches/schools he visited when he was conning them of their votes. In fact I hear the odds of the Obama's moving back to Chicago is a no bet.

BTW Wonder how the influx of illegals seeking work will have on these neighborhood's unemployment rate and why their reps aren't calling foul? ;)

Big business wants cheap labor and democrats want more voters thus creating a 'Perfect Storm'. Meanwhile over 80 get shot, no one goes to jail, and the next shipment of government cheese is only 7 days away.

Why do politicians think gun laws will help, when the law abiding did not commit the crimes and the perpetrators by definition ignore laws?

:zz:

More important is why do politicians think mandatory minimum sentencing for gun crimes and even murders, for those convicted and are actually breaking laws racist? And why is a kid who's only 20 and has been arrested 22 times, including gun arrests, out on the street, with a gun, shooting people?

Federal prosecutors took down a good portion of the Chicago mob not too long ago. They can't take down the gangster disciples or would taking them down be racist?

What's frustrating is while bangers enjoy protection and leniency under the race card, almost all of their victims are minorities, exposed and vulnerable because of the same used race card. Whites look the other way and only worry about violence downtown / gold coast / Viagra triangle and politicians and black leaders mostly reverends like Jackson Sr. cry for and receive more government money for things like midnight basketball leagues and anti-violence gang offices that serve as heroin dens skimming everywhere they can.

Meanwhile Chicago ranks at the bottom of Federal Gun Prosecutions

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/was...ral-gun-crimes

And our latest gangbanger (with nothing wrong with him according to the Reverend)arrested this morning is a felon who pointed a gun at an officer and in turn was shot in the azz.

A quick look at the 23 year-old's past record shows a '08 arrest and '09 conviction for delivery of over 500 grams or over a pound of marijuana. While on bond in 09 he was arrested and convicted of unlawful aggravated use of a weapon from a vehicle. He was sentenced to 2 years for the marijuana and 2 years for the weapons' charge and entered IDOC on 10/16/09. Less than 2 years later in 2011 specifically 10/5/11 he was found guilty of residential burglary and was sentenced to 4 years. Somehow on 8/22/13 less than 2 years later he was paroled and less than a year after that was pointing a gun with a scratched off serial number at a police officer. He now faces charges including two counts of aggravated assault of a peace officer with a firearm, unlawful use of a weapon by a felon on parole, possessing a firearm with a defaced serial number and being an armed habitual criminal.

http://voices.suntimes.com/news/brea...lved-shooting/

And Jesse maintains there ain't nothing wrong with him and Durbin wants to enact laws that would put his girlfriend behind bars for 15 years for buying the gun. :wf

Horrifying incident of white-on-white crime:

http://gawker.com/texas-shooter-kill...1603229349/all

The shooter had a history of abuse, but nothing had been done about it.

The only good news is it occurred in Texas and they'll surely give him the death penalty and actually execute him.

If it had happened in IL the worse he could have gotten was life in prison cause you know, there's a doubt whether he did it even though he did it.

But as long as Christian business owners are forced to provide the morning after pill and illegals get their $3.8 billion, all is well in the Land of Lincoln. :zz::wf

Christian business owners who outsource all of the manufacturing to a country that mandates abortions by law to limit population. They only "choose life" when it's convenient for them. But why would that hypocrisy surprise anyone?

Money Trumps Life I guess. If I could give you 1000 :tro: for that post I would...

My point exactly.

Why worry about 80 people shot in one weekend and dozens more every weekend when we have hypocrite Christian business owners importing products from China? :zz:

:tro:

and invest money into companies that make the very products they are supposedly against as well. so, they don't mind making profits from the stuff!