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Danzig 11-13-2013 02:39 PM

palin proves you can't fix stupid
 
beauty fades, dear sarah, dumb is forever.

ffs, would news organizations all decide to just leave her be, and not talk to her ever, ever again? the more i think on the fact she was almost the vp of this country, the more amazed i become. john mccain should have been removed from office as a senator, he's obviously senile and demented. how else explain choosing her as his running mate, and forever installing her as a punch line?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...or_leaves.html

alysheba4 11-13-2013 03:33 PM

dont care about her one way or the other but she has that HATE her or LOVE her thing going.......

bigrun 11-13-2013 04:08 PM

Back in 08 i posted the top ten reasons why McCain lost the election..

10-9-8...John McCain
7-6-5-4..Sara Palin
3-2-1.....G. Dumya Bush:D

hi_im_god 11-13-2013 04:23 PM

john mccain suffers from the disease that, with any luck, we will all suffer. he's old.

it's the one prejudice we hold that we also hope we'll be victim of. if only we got darker, poorer, and gayer with time.

he's hardly alone in the responsibly for sarah. you really need to go back to august 2008 and look at the political landscape he faced. it's not as if he could have nominated joe lieberman without an actual walkout at the republican convention.

he rolled the dice with a young, female, conservative pinup. that quelled the potential rebellion in his own party and gave him some hope that women (a vital cohort that his party had been steadily losing) would support his ticket in the general election. it's easy to look in hindsight and see what we all learned the last 5 years about palin.

i know the post was about another phenomenally stupid thing she said. but i hate to see a guy who i still think is the best candidate for president i didn't vote for get another "senile" shot.

he's a veteran and pow who dedicated his life to public service. she's a wanna be pageant queen who's living the dream on his dime. i don't excuse the choice he made, but i can understand it.

Danzig 11-13-2013 05:54 PM

john mccain served, but he's no hero. his actions in the banking scandal back in the day got conveniently forgotten-but then, we do have bigger and better banking scandals to worry about.
if he wanted to go for a woman, he could have at least chosen one who was capable, and had more than just a pretty face. her lack of experience took away any realistic chance he had to call out obama for that same lack.
i don't care for mccain, i think he's gotten more respect for outlasting people than because he actually has done things to earn it. he's another that if you do more than scratch the surface, you won't like what you find. that rolling stone article a few years back was scathing, and factual.
but you're right, we all hope to age well. some day i plan to be an old bat who eats at the country kitchen buffet, and then hopefully makes it home in one piece.

bigrun 11-13-2013 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 953907)
john mccain served, but he's no hero. his actions in the banking scandal back in the day got conveniently forgotten-but then, we do have bigger and better banking scandals to worry about.
if he wanted to go for a woman, he could have at least chosen one who was capable, and had more than just a pretty face. her lack of experience took away any realistic chance he had to call out obama for that same lack.
i don't care for mccain, i think he's gotten more respect for outlasting people than because he actually has done things to earn it. he's another that if you do more than scratch the surface, you won't like what you find. that rolling stone article a few years back was scathing, and factual.
but you're right, we all hope to age well. some day i plan to be an old bat who eats at the country kitchen buffet, and then hopefully makes it home in one piece.

I'm already there (remember that song by Lonestar) and so is the ole lady.:eek:

Danzig 11-13-2013 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 953908)
I'm already there (remember that song by Lonestar) and so is the ole lady.:eek:

there's a song? lol it was a south park reference! my not so grandmother used to get on us for making fun of old people. you'll be old some day, she'd say. i hope you're right was always my reply.

Ocala Mike 11-14-2013 10:42 AM

I'm with big.

joeydb 11-15-2013 06:18 AM

Unfortunately for the libs, it's apparent that Palin would have done a better job than Obama. In fact, it's hard for anyone to do a worse job.

dellinger63 11-15-2013 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 954091)
Unfortunately for the libs, it's apparent that Palin would have done a better job than Obama. In fact, it's hard for anyone to do a worse job.

C'mon even I don't believe that....

joeydb 11-15-2013 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 954100)
C'mon even I don't believe that....

Why? Obama has demonstrated that's he's an incompetent buffoon. Palin didn't get to demonstrate anything. She didn't do great on some TV interviews, but also wasn't asked softball questions like Obama.

So you have a known failure (Obama) vs. an unknown (Palin). Why would you be so quick to trash Palin?

It is a reasonable possibility that she would have been better. We'll never know.

Danzig 11-15-2013 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 954091)
Unfortunately for the libs, it's apparent that Palin would have done a better job than Obama. In fact, it's hard for anyone to do a worse job.

it is? how is it apparent? what would she have done differently with everything that has occurred during his term plus one year?

when i consider everything palin has done over the time since she first hit the national scene, what is apparent to me is that mccain and his people didn't perform due diligence before selecting her, that she is a lightweight who thinks her lack of intelligence and knowledge is somehow a positive. she has no clue regarding national policy, foreign policy, the government, etc. her interviews are hilarious, but certainly not events that engender confidence in any of her abilities.

am i happy with obama? hell no. i think he was a naive neophyte who has been smacked down in a brutal way with reality. would i prefer palin? not in a million years. romney either. christie shows promise, but with his moderate stances, he'll have a hard time getting the nomination.
you blaming obama for everything you don't like is not based in rational thought. i suggest you take a long look at your legislative body, especially the house, which has done NOTHING of substance-hell, they can't even pass a goddamn farm bill, which has been standard legislation for years.

joeydb 11-15-2013 07:40 AM

If it's hard to do a worse job than Obama, the converse is that it's easier for most people to do a better job.

Danzig 11-15-2013 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 954104)
Why? Obama has demonstrated that's he's an incompetent buffoon. Palin didn't get to demonstrate anything. She didn't do great on some TV interviews, but also wasn't asked softball questions like Obama.

So you have a known failure (Obama) vs. an unknown (Palin). Why would you be so quick to trash Palin?

It is a reasonable possibility that she would have been better. We'll never know.

oh, so now it's not apparent, it's a reasonable possibility? based on what? her term as mayor?
her abbreviated term as governor? what else is there?
softball questions. ha!

i'm quick to trash palin because she's a complete and utter joke. and she has no one to blame but herself for that opinion. she can't speak, can't string together a complete sentence, she has NO clue about anything that a leader would be expected to know.

Danzig 11-15-2013 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 954107)
If it's hard to do a worse job than Obama, the converse is that it's easier for most people to do a better job.

that would be incorrect. your logic is flawed.

jms62 11-15-2013 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 954110)
that would be incorrect. your logic is flawed.

Based upon his comments it is either a traumatic brain injury or trolling. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say the later.

Danzig 11-15-2013 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 954113)
Based upon his comments it is either a traumatic brain injury or trolling. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say the later.

lol

joey, you're assuming it can't be worse. of course it can. also, just because you have a difference of opinion with the president, doesn't mean he's bad.
and i don't think you really consider everything that has happened, and are judging every occurrence on its merits.
i think you view people as good or bad based only on whether they have a 'd' or 'r' next to their name.
since many obama policies are continuances of bush policies, i'm not sure how someone can say bush did ok, but obama is bad. the only change in the last 5 years is the aca coming into being.
i know people don't like to be told this, but the individual mandate was a repub idea, and it was included in the bill-but because dems were putting it together, suddenly repubs rejected their own idea, that they had originially supported! that is a fact, not an opinion. one fact that repubs wish people would forget.

joeydb 11-15-2013 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 954108)
oh, so now it's not apparent, it's a reasonable possibility? based on what? her term as mayor?
her abbreviated term as governor? what else is there?
softball questions. ha!

i'm quick to trash palin because she's a complete and utter joke. and she has no one to blame but herself for that opinion. she can't speak, can't string together a complete sentence, she has NO clue about anything that a leader would be expected to know.

Well Obama's failure was predictable from his 2 year stint as a Senator before running for president. This "community organizer" lacks just about every quality necessary to be president except for good enough ocular acuity to read a teleprompter.

Your guy strings together prose just fine as long as someone else writes it for him to read off the prompter, and hasn't had an original thought for his whole term. Saul Alinsky and other socialists have said it all before. He's a recycled retread.

joeydb 11-15-2013 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 954110)
that would be incorrect. your logic is flawed.

Care to explain why it's flawed? This guy will go down as one of the worst presidents ever, far surpassing in negative magnitude Bush 43.

Danzig 11-15-2013 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 954144)
Care to explain why it's flawed? This guy will go down as one of the worst presidents ever, far surpassing in negative magnitude Bush 43.

yes. you have no idea how bad it could be. you're assuming it's as bad as it could be, that no one could do worse, and that anyone else would be an improvement. it can always be worse. however, i can't prove a negative, and hopefully we'll never find out how well or badly palin could do.
also, history dictates whether someone turns out bad or not. your opinion isn't shared by everyone, so there's no way of knowing if he's going to be judged so harshly.

you're also completely ignoring the fact that the president isn't the only person in charge of our government. you're placing no blame elsewhere.

Danzig 11-15-2013 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 954143)
Well Obama's failure was predictable from his 2 year stint as a Senator before running for president. This "community organizer" lacks just about every quality necessary to be president except for good enough ocular acuity to read a teleprompter.

Your guy strings together prose just fine as long as someone else writes it for him to read off the prompter, and hasn't had an original thought for his whole term. Saul Alinsky and other socialists have said it all before. He's a recycled retread.

and he's not 'my guy'. i didn't vote for him in either election, i thought he would do poorly. i don't think he had enough experience, i thought he was naive. his pronouncements on change and his talk of things he was going to do were scoffed at by me. apparently you either didn't read or you choose to ignore all that.
it's too bad tho, that people tend to forget all that, because i won't fall in line with their 'black or white' way of looking at things and will challenge the 'worst president ever' pronouncements, or because i explain you're putting way, way too much blame on one person. the same one person i said was dreaming that he could change things.
he, and we, are a victim of the system.

your bias dictates what you say on here. try looking at everything candidly, without preconceived notions. i'd also recommend you read history, it will help put things in perspective regarding what has come before-and how our current 'leaders' compare.
also, it would help you persuade if you didn't suggest such things as palin being 'better'. that's hilarious.

also, how much has been kept from being done, or undone, because of the House? repubs made no secret that their sole purpose since obama took office was to thwart everything and anything. to hurt him at every opportunity, for good or for ill. how does that help this country or its citizens?

alysheba4 11-15-2013 12:54 PM

what has he ever wanted that has been stoped? he makes it very clear.....its his way or GFY.

Danzig 11-15-2013 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by alysheba4 (Post 954170)
what has he ever wanted that has been stoped? he makes it very clear.....its his way or GFY.

what?

is he obama? do you mean stopped?
and are we talking about the same person? obama, until the recent govt shutdown, always tried to achieve compromise. always asked for both parties to come together and come up with solutions. wanted bipartisanship. his grandiose designs for everyone coming together and making things better is an abject failure.
now, that's mainly due to republican intransigence. or are we to pretend that their comments on stonewalling every obama initiative didn't happen?

remember this?

MCCONNELL: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.

alysheba4 11-15-2013 01:19 PM

i did mean stopped. and yes Obama gets Everything he wants.

alysheba4 11-15-2013 01:20 PM

repubs are so weak he just blows those losers off

Danzig 11-15-2013 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by alysheba4 (Post 954177)
i did mean stopped. and yes Obama gets Everything he wants.

really? you sure?

what about gitmo for startes? last i heard, it was still open.

how's ending tax deductions for companies that offshore going?

how's that budget deal going? i think we're still under sequester.

that's just off the top of my head.


oh, just looked--politifact has him at 45% on promises kept.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ises/obameter/

i'm pretty sure everything would equal 100%, not 45%.

promises broken, 22%.

joeydb 11-15-2013 02:34 PM

I'd rather lose gitmo and keep my healthcare instead of the other way around.:rolleyes:

Danzig 11-15-2013 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 954190)
I'd rather lose gitmo and keep my healthcare instead of the other way around.:rolleyes:

are you losing your healthcare?

joeydb 11-15-2013 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 954191)
are you losing your healthcare?

Not yet. This is the last year that employer-provided healthcare does not get hit. Next year is a different story.

That's when the other 80% get screwed. You think 5 million and counting is bad - next year it will be closer to 100 million.

GBBob 11-15-2013 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 954188)
really? you sure?

what about gitmo for startes? last i heard, it was still open.

how's ending tax deductions for companies that offshore going?

how's that budget deal going? i think we're still under sequester.

that's just off the top of my head.


oh, just looked--politifact has him at 45% on promises kept.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ises/obameter/

i'm pretty sure everything would equal 100%, not 45%.

promises broken, 22%.

Immigration reform..nope

Reasonable Gun Control..Nope

Danzig 11-15-2013 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 954196)
Not yet. This is the last year that employer-provided healthcare does not get hit. Next year is a different story.

That's when the other 80% get screwed. You think 5 million and counting is bad - next year it will be closer to 100 million.

citation, please.

Danzig 11-15-2013 02:54 PM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejap...keep-coverage/

About 90 percent of self-insured employers say they “don’t plan to move any” of their insured workers to public exchanges, which are making their debut this fall under the Affordable Care Act, a national business coalition said


“About 90% of the responding employers said they don’t plan to move employees and their dependents to either public marketplaces or private exchanges in the near future,” Larry Boress, president and chief executive officer of the Midwest Business Group said.

Danzig 11-15-2013 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 954198)
Immigration reform..nope

Reasonable Gun Control..Nope

we must be reading the wrong stuff, bob...

because obama gets everything he wants. ;)

joeydb 11-15-2013 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 954199)
citation, please.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...na-break-lose/

jms62 11-15-2013 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 954203)

Rush ****ing Limbaugh is your reasoned research? You're having a banner day..

joeydb 11-15-2013 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 954205)
Rush ****ing Limbaugh is your reasoned research? You're having a banner day..

Is he wrong? Or do you just hate him too much to concede that the facts are correct.

jms62 11-15-2013 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 954207)
Is he wrong? Or do you just hate him too much to concede that the facts are correct.

There is NOTHING WHATSOEVER in the article backing up what he said. NADA, ZIP , ZILCH. He gave no reasoning, NONE.

Danzig 11-15-2013 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 954203)

lmao
oh my.

Danzig 11-15-2013 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 954207)
Is he wrong? Or do you just hate him too much to concede that the facts are correct.

lol
you hate obama, therefore everything he does is wrong. even if it's not, he did it, so it's wrong. and then you call out someone for possibly doing the same thing?!
good lord, do you listen to yourself?

can you find me a piece by someone with no bias, no agenda, non partisan, who just gives facts? please.
if rush said the sky was blue, i'd want it verified.

bigrun 11-15-2013 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 954215)
lmao
oh my.

Rush tells it like it is...here's one of his better clips...:zz:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o6yrdInw6s


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