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ateamstupid 10-03-2006 01:57 PM

Rabbit Out
 
No Spanish Chestnut in the JCGC, folks.

It's such a shame too, considering how Bernardini definitely would've "hated being far back" and would've "died in the stretch."

We might be looking at a four-horse field even if Sun King runs.

Buffymommy 10-03-2006 01:59 PM

Is everyone that scared of Bernardini? Ya gotta face him sometime...

Cajungator26 10-03-2006 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
No Spanish Chestnut in the JCGC, folks.

It's such a shame too, considering how Bernardini definitely would've "hated being far back" and would've "died in the stretch."

We might be looking at a four-horse field even if Sun King runs.

Another romp for Bernardini. Definitely not his fault, but still...

It'd be nice to see if he can run the same way against some decent horses. I hope Sun King runs.

slotdirt 10-03-2006 02:03 PM

What, nobody thinks Andromeda's Hero will give Bernardini a run for his money?

Cajungator26 10-03-2006 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
What, nobody thinks Andromeda's Hero will give Bernardini a run for his money?

I'd like to believe that, Slot. Hey, you never know... I DID dream that a chestnut won the JCGC. AH is chestnut. :D

Slewstoo 10-03-2006 02:17 PM

Bad news for all of the closers in the race. Where is the other pace in the race with Spanish Chestnut out? Bernardini is going to be allowed to set those easy fractions and coast home yet again.

oracle80 10-03-2006 02:26 PM

Snooze..... Paceless race with a small field, oughta be a stellar event.

Pointg5 10-03-2006 02:27 PM

I guess this will be a cake walk for Bernardini, oh well, he gets no competition again. I was looking forward to this Saturday, maybe I'll take in a movie instead, this will be a very boring race.

On a positive note, he'll roll here and he'll have to face some competition in the BC, maybe a good thing for the non-believers...

kentuckyrosesinmay 10-03-2006 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I'd like to believe that, Slot. Hey, you never know... I DID dream that a chestnut won the JCGC. AH is chestnut. :D

I don't know about you, but my dreams never work out too good. This year, I dreamed that a really dark bay horse won the derby, red chestnuts came in second and third, and a medium bay got fourth. Now, the medium bay did get fourth, but, well, you know how the rest worked out...

I'm really glad that they pulled Spanish Chestnut out of the race. It wasn't fair to the horse.

disappearingdan_akaplaya 10-03-2006 02:30 PM

well hell if the almighty "mineshaft" was running against 2nd rate and below horses every1 would have their bvd'z in a twist waitin to watch

Pointg5 10-03-2006 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
well hell if the almighty "mineshaft" was running against 2nd rate and below horses every1 would have their bvd'z in a twist waitin to watch


Mineshaft at least faced bigger fields, imo he's a better horse than Bernardini, his Stephen Foster was amazing considering how he was ridden and how wide he was...

randallscott35 10-03-2006 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5
Mineshaft at least faced bigger fields, imo he's a better horse than Bernardini, his Stephen Foster was amazing considering how he was ridden and how wide he was...

This is playa's MO, all he does is bash Mineshaft. I happen to like playa, but it does get old---a one trick pony.

disappearingdan_akaplaya 10-03-2006 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5
Mineshaft at least faced bigger fields, imo he's a better horse than Bernardini, his Stephen Foster was amazing considering how he was ridden and how wide he was...


really big fields huh, when he did run in those he lost like in the foster and quit cryin about robbies ride in there, whats the excuse for losing to balto star?

Pointg5 10-03-2006 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
really big fields huh, when he did run in those he lost like in the foster and quit cryin about robbies ride in there, whats the excuse for losing to balto star?

Old Balto was a multiple graded stake winner, can't say that much of Bernardini's competition...

Can't really argue with what Robbie did at the start, he had an outside post and had to gun, but he kept him wide on a quick pace, PD is no slouch and got a perfect ride, but Mineshaft took the worst of it...

disappearingdan_akaplaya 10-03-2006 02:39 PM

how many grade 1's did balto win on the dirt? LOL nice comment bout the 1 trick pony, i like you also randy and it aint the horses fault the connections didnt have the stones to run in the BCC because they knew what would happen

ateamstupid 10-03-2006 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5
Mineshaft at least faced bigger fields, imo he's a better horse than Bernardini, his Stephen Foster was amazing considering how he was ridden and how wide he was...

Yeah, those were some huge fields he faced at Belmont all year. Four horses in The Woodward, four horses in The JCGC. I have no idea how he managed to find his way through all of that traffic.

Jokes aside, I think you're right that it's a negative going into the BCC that Bernardini won't have been battle-tested (unless Dylan Thomas freaks on the dirt). I know he's a monster, but I've yet to see how he responds when someone looks him in the eye.

randallscott35 10-03-2006 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
how many grade 1's did balto win on the dirt? LOL nice comment bout the 1 trick pony, i like you also randy and it aint the horses fault the connections didnt have the stones to run in the BCC because they knew what would happen

Not going to get back into it, but the Balto race was basically his first race back in his 4 yr old season and the fractions were dirt slow. No way he could make up the ground. He got better as his 4yr old season went along....I believe he got hurt before the Br. Cup. Who knows?

randallscott35 10-03-2006 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Yeah, those were some huge fields he faced at Belmont all year. Four horses in The Woodward, four horses in The JCGC. I have no idea how he managed to find his way through all of that traffic.

Jokes aside, I think you're right that it's a negative going into the BCC that Bernardini won't have been battle-tested (unless Dylan Thomas freaks on the dirt). I know he's a monster, but I've yet to see how he responds when someone looks him in the eye.

He was dodged like no horse I have seen. Horses wanted to face Ghostzapper more than Mineshaft. He raced what 10 times as a 4 yr old. Not much you can do when they don't show up.

disappearingdan_akaplaya 10-03-2006 02:43 PM

well its all who and what you believe randy. i dont believe my fav horse point given was retired due to injury

Pointg5 10-03-2006 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
how many grade 1's did balto win on the dirt? LOL nice comment bout the 1 trick pony, i like you also randy and it aint the horses fault the connections didnt have the stones to run in the BCC because they knew what would happen

I guess they didn't want to run an injured horse on that hard track in the BCC...

Playa always bashes Mineshaft, he probably has a dartboard in his house with a picture of Mineshaft on it, I picture him doing pullups with Mineshaft tattoes on his knuckles like Deniro in Cape Fear...

At least he hasn't gone crazy and told us that the Bears are going to be like the '72 Bears and go undefeated, Scavs has that market cornered...

randallscott35 10-03-2006 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5
I guess they didn't want to run an injured horse on that hard track in the BCC...

Playa always bashes Mineshaft, he probably has a dartboard in his house with a picture of Mineshaft on it, I picture him doing pullups with Mineshaft tattoes on his knuckles like Deniro in Cape Fear...

At least he hasn't gone crazy and told us that the Bears are going to be like the '72 Bears and go undefeated, Scavs has that market cornered...

He is consistent, I give him that. He likes to poke me, I realize that. No problem. I get a kick out of it.

ateamstupid 10-03-2006 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
He was dodged like no horse I have seen. Horses wanted to face Ghostzapper more than Mineshaft. He raced what 10 times as a 4 yr old. Not much you can do when they don't show up.

I'm not blaming anyone. I'm just saying that Windu's point that "Mineshaft faced bigger fields" than Bernardini isn't really accurate.

tycharles01 10-03-2006 02:47 PM

Where does it say Spanish Chestnut is not running?? Looked four different places and no one says it

disappearingdan_akaplaya 10-03-2006 02:47 PM

dont get me wrong mineshaft was a helluva horse i just woulda liked to have saw him against the best on bc day like im sure every1 else here wanted to as well, lol i just dont rate the horse as high as randy. i dont hate any horse not even empire faker LOL! i dont hate cope with honor whos in our barn and kicked me this summer at arlington when he went nuts 1 day becuz of something outside the barn when i was walking the horse

ateamstupid 10-03-2006 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tycharles01
Where does it say Spanish Chestnut is not running?? Looked four different places and no one says it

Did you try DRF?

By DAVID GRENING
ELMONT, N.Y. - Bernardini, the leading 3-year-old in the country, worked five furlongs in 1:03.33 Tuesday morning at Belmont Park, his final move in preparation for Saturday's Grade 1, $750,000 Jockey Club Gold Cup. Exercise rider Simon Harris kept Bernardini even farther off the rail than usual, in part because of his dissatisfaction with Belmont's main track and in part because several horses had worked before him and the inside part of the track was chewed up.
Though Belmont's main track was listed as fast, Harris said the track had plenty of moisture in it because two water trucks went around during the renovation break. Harris said the track was still drying out from weekend rains.

``Today it was wet, but you were going right through it and I didn't like it at all so I probably erred on the side of caution than what I normally would,'' Harris said.

Bernardini got his final quarter in 24.71 seconds after going the opening three furlongs in 38.62 seconds.

``He's coming into this race as good as ever, today's work was just routine,'' trainer Tom Albertrani said. The Jockey Club Gold field remained in flux on Tuesday. The only other confirmed runners as of Tuesday morning were Dylan Thomas and Andromeda's Hero.

Trainer Patrick Biancone said Spanish Chestnut is not running. Trainer Nick Zito has not made a final decision on who he is running besides Andromeda's Hero.

Pointg5 10-03-2006 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Yeah, those were some huge fields he faced at Belmont all year. Four horses in The Woodward, four horses in The JCGC. I have no idea how he managed to find his way through all of that traffic.

Jokes aside, I think you're right that it's a negative going into the BCC that Bernardini won't have been battle-tested (unless Dylan Thomas freaks on the dirt). I know he's a monster, but I've yet to see how he responds when someone looks him in the eye.

He had bigger fields than Bernardini in the NO Handicap, KEE, Pimlico Special, and the Stephen Foster. The fields at Bel were small, that's true...It's not Bernardini's fault the field will be small in the JCGC, I don't believe the whole Invasior thing, but that's not his fault...

Betsy 10-03-2006 04:47 PM

I'm sorry SC isn't going, because I'd prefer that Bernardini run at a target, but who knows?

Like with Mineshaft, it's not Bernardini's fault that the trainers of older horses are ducking him. They clearly feel that, whatever his competition, he's an exceptional horse. I think he'll be fine in the Classic, but I would really have much preferred that a test in the Gold Cup. Oh well - as long as he's healthy, I'm not going to complain.

videogirl10 10-03-2006 10:53 PM

does it list a reason for not running SC? is it b/c he doesn't want to face bernardini?

1st_Saturday_in_May 10-03-2006 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by merasmag
didn't your boss tell u LINKS ONLY???
what a crock, but seriously, i love the nut, has he been otm since his derby? talk about a mismanaged and abused horsie

He won his return race at Golden Gate this March and was 3rd in the True North (G2) on the Belmont undercard to Anew and Tiger. Also ran 3rd last out in the Lure Stakes at Belmont in a race off teh turf and was 3rd in a Toga allowance won by Awesome Twist. So, his post Derby record is

6-1-0-4-$97,550 - ITM 5 of 6 tries

Danzig2 10-04-2006 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I don't know about you, but my dreams never work out too good. This year, I dreamed that a really dark bay horse won the derby, red chestnuts came in second and third, and a medium bay got fourth. Now, the medium bay did get fourth, but, well, you know how the rest worked out...

I'm really glad that they pulled Spanish Chestnut out of the race. It wasn't fair to the horse.

i dreamed a black horse won the derby one year...i was rooting for the chestnut, and then sunday silence walked by in the post parade and my stomach sank....
and then a few years ago it was a chestnut. swore it was peace rules...but no, it was that other chestnut.


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