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Rudeboyelvis 10-03-2013 12:32 PM

Greg Schiano's NFL career's death watch thread
 
He's got to go. Period. He's made a laughing stock of the city and a joke of the franchise.

Unfortunately, most of us saw this coming straight down Dale Mabry Blvd. 2 years ago:

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45357

this team has enough raw talent to be competitive in the division, now I'm not certain that they will even beat Jacksonville.


What a god-awful mess.

MaTH716 10-03-2013 12:51 PM

Can't take credit for this as I saw someone post it on twitter.

Revis thought he was leaving the circus when he got traded away from the Jets.

Rudeboyelvis 10-03-2013 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 947826)
Can't take credit for this as I saw someone post it on twitter.

Revis thought he was leaving the circus when he got traded away from the Jets.

Yeah, what a shame. Of course shelling out 19 mil for a cornerback when you had your mind made up last spring that Freeman wasn't your guy at QB is even more of a charlie foxtrot. The Glazers have never made a move mid season, and I don't expect them to now. This bye week could not have come at a worse time for both Mark Dominic and Greg Schiano.

>>>In speaking with agents of several Bucs players recently, I have sensed a common theme: There is an atmosphere of fear and distrust under the current regime in Tampa. Players have told their agents about coaches roaming through the locker room (typically the players' sanctuary away from coaches) and staff videotaping players on the sidelines during losses to single out players laughing or horsing around.<<<


http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/10/...s-josh-freeman


This kind of stuff is coming out daily, and with another week and a half to go, its likely to boil over at some point.

randallscott35 10-03-2013 01:08 PM

Wait you mean the Pros isn't like Rutgers?

MaTH716 10-03-2013 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 947832)
Yeah, what a shame. Of course shelling out 19 mil for a cornerback when you had your mind made up last spring that Freeman wasn't your guy at QB is even more of a charlie foxtrot. The Glazers have never made a move mid season, and I don't expect them to now. This bye week could not have come at a worse time for both Mark Dominic and Greg Schiano.

>>>In speaking with agents of several Bucs players recently, I have sensed a common theme: There is an atmosphere of fear and distrust under the current regime in Tampa. Players have told their agents about coaches roaming through the locker room (typically the players' sanctuary away from coaches) and staff videotaping players on the sidelines during losses to single out players laughing or horsing around.<<<


http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/10/...s-josh-freeman


This kind of stuff is coming out daily, and with another week and a half to go, its likely to boil over at some point.

Bigs used to preach that the biggest problem the team has is it's owners.

declansharbor 10-03-2013 01:19 PM

The door just met Freeman's a$$.

MaTH716 10-03-2013 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 947833)
Wait you mean the Pros isn't like Rutgers?

Who knows, maybe Schiano can schedule the Bucs to play the likes of Coastal Carolina and Howard for a few weeks and try to get the train back on the tracks.

Rudeboyelvis 10-03-2013 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 947834)
Bigs used to preach that the biggest problem the team has is it's owners.

They were completely overextended by purchasing Man U. This year seemed very different. Freeman actually looked good for all of 3 or 4 games last year (the last 2 were atrocious) and the ownership dedicated money they typically have not spent this year as they, again, look to have the right pieces in place to show up well.

They announced last week that "They anticipated 85% of the tickets will be sold for the balance of the season, so they lifted the local blackout rule".

They are going to spend millions more buying up all the empty seats.

There will be heads rolling.

randallscott35 10-03-2013 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 947837)
Who knows, maybe Schiano can schedule the Bucs to play the likes of Coastal Carolina and Howard for a few weeks and try to get the train back on the tracks.

But that's what so many of these college guys don't get. Grown men will not be pushed around. These guys can only abuse college kids because they don't know any better. And that is wrong.

Rudeboyelvis 10-03-2013 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 947833)
Wait you mean the Pros isn't like Rutgers?

Rutgers was abysmal in an abysmal conference. Save West Virginia, there was nothing left in the conference when he was there. After his first season (where he went 2-11) Miami and Va Tech left. he amassed an eye popping record of 28-48 at Rutgers against Big East opponents.

Perhaps he was anticipating the Pro's would be easier than Rutgers, cuz he did absolutely nothing there either.

declansharbor 10-03-2013 01:29 PM

They called all 31 teams and no interest was there so they cut him.

There's always the CFL!

Rudeboyelvis 10-03-2013 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 947833)
Wait you mean the Pros isn't like Rutgers?

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 947841)
They called all 31 teams and no interest was there so they cut him.

There's always the CFL!

Ouch. add another 6 million to the pile of wasted cash this year.

randallscott35 10-03-2013 01:36 PM

Bring back Testaverde.

Duvalier 10-03-2013 01:46 PM

Freeman needed to go

hi_im_god 10-03-2013 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 947841)
They called all 31 teams and no interest was there so they cut him.

There's always the CFL!

he'll be on an nfl team. green bay needs a legit back up. jacksonville needs a starter. he'll land somewhere now that it costs the new team nothing other than whatever contact they sign. it's a good day to be josh freeman. he gets paid by tampa bay and his new team.

the guy broke no laws. whatever character issues may be there i'm sure his new team will convince itself they can fix

i have a hard time understanding why tampa handled this the way they did. they shot themselves in the head when it came to getting any value for freeman. very strange situation.

MaTH716 10-03-2013 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 947853)
he'll be on an nfl team. green bay needs a legit back up. jacksonville needs a starter. he'll land somewhere now that it costs the new team nothing other than whatever contact they sign. it's a good day to be josh freeman. he gets paid by tampa bay and his new team.

the guy broke no laws. whatever character issues may be there i'm sure his new team will convince itself they can fix

i have a hard time understanding why tampa handled this the way they did. they shot themselves in the head when it came to getting any value for freeman. very strange situation.


GBBob 10-03-2013 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 947853)
he'll be on an nfl team. green bay needs a legit back up. jacksonville needs a starter. he'll land somewhere now that it costs the new team nothing other than whatever contact they sign. it's a good day to be josh freeman. he gets paid by tampa bay and his new team.

the guy broke no laws. whatever character issues may be there i'm sure his new team will convince itself they can fix

i have a hard time understanding why tampa handled this the way they did. they shot themselves in the head when it came to getting any value for freeman. very strange situation.

If you look at the numbers he put up when he was playing very well, it seems he is very capable and just needs the right situation...ie..anywhere other than Tampa. I think he'll be starting by end of this year or next for sure.

Rudeboyelvis 10-03-2013 02:56 PM

The fact that someone in the organization leaked Freeman's voluntary cooperation in the substance abuse program (has a prescription for Adderall) is so far over the line it's hard to fathom.
The team is fuc1<ed. Owners trying to get the NFLPA to buy in on HgH testing, and this comes out? I would not be surprised if the team get fined HUGE.

I'd to know what the odds on whether Schiano is the coach by the next game are.

jms62 10-06-2013 05:45 AM

As a coach, what do you do given this scenario?

http://tbo.com/sports/bucs/bucs-beat...saga-20131005/

Duvalier 10-06-2013 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 948204)
As a coach, what do you do given this scenario?

http://tbo.com/sports/bucs/bucs-beat...saga-20131005/

Freeman had to go. He was Radio Raheem's guy, for the QB of an NFL team to act the way he has, there are some major problems...not even counting his play on the field. On the field his completion percentage is below 50%. The telling thing in the whole Freeman mess is none of his teammates have said much to defend or stick up for him...especially the WRs on the team.

jms62 10-06-2013 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 948221)
Freeman had to go. He was Radio Raheem's guy, for the QB of an NFL team to act the way he has, there are some major problems...not even counting his play on the field. On the field his completion percentage is below 50%. The telling thing in the whole Freeman mess is none of his teammates have said much to defend or stick up for him...especially the WRs on the team.

Bills and Browns in dire need of a QB due to injuries. If Freeman isnt picked up it speaks volumes and tells me there may be off the field issues here.

hi_im_god 10-06-2013 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 948204)
As a coach, what do you do given this scenario?

http://tbo.com/sports/bucs/bucs-beat...saga-20131005/

i'd take the high road and release his confidential drug testing results.

there are no hero's in this story. there's just infantile behavior on a scale rarely seen outside the politics forum at p.a.

you have to wonder where the adults are on both sides.

Duvalier 10-06-2013 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 948254)
Bills and Browns in dire need of a QB due to injuries. If Freeman isnt picked up it speaks volumes and tells me there may be off the field issues here.

Oh he'll get picked up. Some team will be intrigued and think they can get him to produce. The Raiders are a likely landing spot for him since he would be reunited with Greg Olson. Maybe the Vikes too

hi_im_god 10-06-2013 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 948254)
Bills and Browns in dire need of a QB due to injuries. If Freeman isnt picked up it speaks volumes and tells me there may be off the field issues here.

i'd stick with weeden over freeman if i were the browns. I can't imagine they would think differently.

he'll be signed this week. off field issues and all. be patient.

jms62 10-06-2013 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 948257)
i'd stick with weeden over freeman if i were the browns. I can't imagine they would think differently.

he'll be signed this week. off field issues and all. be patient.

I would also stick with Weeden but i would think Freeman as a backup would give you a chance to win more than who is backing up Weeden at this point. Dont forget he is fresh off the injury list.

Rudeboyelvis 10-07-2013 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 948256)
Oh he'll get picked up. Some team will be intrigued and think they can get him to produce. The Raiders are a likely landing spot for him since he would be reunited with Greg Olson. Maybe the Vikes too

Winner!


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/97...nesota-vikings

Good Riddance.

Now we just need to struggle the rest of the season, hopefully go 0-16 (unless the Giants find a way of duplicating that effort too) And start all over again, presumably without Schiano or Dominik.

Rudeboyelvis 10-07-2013 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 948204)
As a coach, what do you do given this scenario?

http://tbo.com/sports/bucs/bucs-beat...saga-20131005/

Well, that is certainly one side of the story. I wonder if Roy Cummings even bothered to speak with Freeman - my suspicions are no.

Though in all fairness, Freeman was done with the local media 3 weeks ago and most likely never responded to his request for an interview.

Danzig 10-07-2013 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 948352)
Winner!


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/97...nesota-vikings

Good Riddance.

Now we just need to struggle the rest of the season, hopefully go 0-16 (unless the Giants find a way of duplicating that effort too) And start all over again, presumably without Schiano or Dominik.

what is their problem(s)? didn't expect them to be off to a start like this.

and i was shocked to see oak beat san diego last night. just never know what's going to happen i guess.

Rudeboyelvis 10-07-2013 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 948355)
what is their problem(s)? didn't expect them to be off to a start like this.

and i was shocked to see oak beat san diego last night. just never know what's going to happen i guess.

From what I can surmise, they thought David Wilson could step up and fill Andre Brown's role as the #1 RB. And they clearly thought wrong. They have no running game (whenever you are working out Willis Mcgahee, you got it bad) and thus Eli is pressured all game. The DEF is worn out by halftime.

I'm sure there are some Gints fan that can elaborate.


It is already a forgettable season in so many ways. I'm (obviously) a Skins fan, the wife is a Steelers fan, and we are both Buccaneers fans.

Collectively our teams are 1-11. The stars aligned for us and all three teams mercifully were on a bye this weekend. First pleasant Sunday since Labor day weekend ;)

MaTH716 10-07-2013 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 948364)
From what I can surmise, they thought David Wilson could step up and fill Andre Brown's role as the #1 RB. And they clearly thought wrong. They have no running game (whenever you are working out Willis Mcgahee, you got it bad) and thus Eli is pressured all game. The DEF is worn out by halftime.

I'm sure there are some Gints fan that can elaborate.


It is already a forgettable season in so many ways. I'm (obviously) a Skins fan, the wife is a Steelers fan, and we are both Buccaneers fans.

Collectively our teams are 1-11. The stars aligned for us and all three teams mercifully were on a bye this weekend. First pleasant Sunday since Labor day weekend ;)

Injuries have comprimised the offensive line. That's the biggest problem the offense faces. There are no lanes for the RB's also Eli has to run for his life on many plays. That being said, he has used some poor judgement on some of his passes this year. Unfortunatley thats more of a by-product of them trying to crawl out of large holes every game and just make something happen.

Defensively they get very little pressure on QB's. Justin Tuck and JPP just look slow/injured at times. They also have maybe the worst LB corb in the history of the NFL. Opposing QB's have all day to throw against a injury plagued secondary that was at best, was medicore when fully healthy.

Special Teams has been pretty woeful also this season. Missing FG's, giving up PR touchdowns and Weatherford struggling while punting hasn't helped things.

There hasn't been one aspect where they have been solid, so far this season.

randallscott35 10-07-2013 01:17 PM

And yet they are still alive in that division if you look at it.

MaTH716 10-07-2013 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 948367)
And yet they are still alive in that division if you look at it.

I bought into that this past week, but now I would say that the water is offically too deep and they are done.

0-5 is 0-5, can't spin it any other way. They are just not good (and that's putting it nicely).

randallscott35 10-07-2013 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 948368)
I bought into that this past week, but now I would say that the water is offically too deep and they are done.

0-5 is 0-5, can't spin it any other way. They are just not good (and that's putting it nicely).

But not done.

Danzig 10-07-2013 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 948367)
And yet they are still alive in that division if you look at it.

coming into the weekend, the nfc east was a combined 4 and 12. skins had a bye, so no loss there. dallas lost, philly beat ny.
so, now 5 and 14. used to be a powerhouse division....when ny won the division a couple years ago, it was the first time ever that an 8 and 8 team won it. now, they did go on to win the superbowl, but they were far from a good team that regular season.
skins play dallas next weekend. if they manage to win, the skins would be in a tie for the division lead. what a mess.

declansharbor 10-07-2013 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 948352)
Winner!


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/97...nesota-vikings

Good Riddance.

Now we just need to struggle the rest of the season, hopefully go 0-16 (unless the Giants find a way of duplicating that effort too) And start all over again, presumably without Schiano or Dominik.

The year to go 0-fer is next year, imo, and grab Winston from FSU with the top pick. Luck was more "NFL ready", but man o man can this Winston kid play!

Rudeboyelvis 10-11-2013 01:26 PM

Matt Cassel gets the nod over Freeman to start this weekend for the Vikes:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...vikings-sunday

MaTH716 10-11-2013 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 948840)
Matt Cassel gets the nod over Freeman to start this weekend for the Vikes:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...vikings-sunday

Bigger story out of Minny

http://nfl.si.com/2013/10/11/adrian-...lt/?xid=si_nfl

Danzig 10-11-2013 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 948843)

that is just awful, that poor little boy. i just don't understand how people can become so enraged as to do things like that. poor, poor baby.

jms62 10-11-2013 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 948846)
that is just awful, that poor little boy. i just don't understand how people can become so enraged as to do things like that. poor, poor baby.

Hopefully AP will let the legal system handle this and not do what needs to be done himself.

MaTH716 10-11-2013 05:15 PM

Peterson's son, 2, dies after alleged assault

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/98...leged-assault?

Just awful.


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