out of town trainers at saratoga
 

which ones would you follow when the season starts? i got one im going to follow al stall
and i thought i heard that mitchell mike i beleive from west coast is coming is that true/

Jack Fisher

Stall brought only good ones up last year. Ralph Nicks is always dangerous.

Some other guys: McPeek, Matz, Wilkes, Lopresti, Catalano, Trombetta, Margolis.

One of my favorite things about Saratoga is its convergence of training talent.

Steve Margolis will not have a string here this summer.

Watch for Merrill Scherer in claiming races.

It will be interesting to see how John Shirreffs fares at Saratoga now that he is off the "Left" Coast....

I have been keeping a close eye on one of his 3-yr old colts in particular......

can't believe he didn't feel that the Champ deserved to run at the Spa, as is every hoss' dream. Unforgivable.

alan iwinski..with jv up..gary gullio. and tom bush are consistant winners at double digit odds every year.

What are you talking about? Blame ran and won at the Spa..............

He's always wrong, but never in doubt.

I have a number of trainer stats for Saratoga, but I thought this one was interesting.

19 trainers have 100 or more starts on dirt at Saratoga between 2008 and 2012. Only one has a positive ROI. Who is it?

Three trainers have ROIs below $1.00. That'll be tough, but can anyone name them?

I was about to say Linda Rice, but then I saw the "dirt" part. Her ROI on turf has to be fantastic.

I'm gonna guess George Weaver for the first question.

maybe Kimmel or Assmussen?

Doubtful he has 100 starts.

Mott has to be close to the 1.00 mark, though he has gotten better in recent years on dirt.

Chad Brown??

Right. Her turf ROI is a gaudy $2.44 from 258 starters. That is tremendous.

Asmussen's dirt ROI is a very respectable $1.87 from 216 starters. Kimmel's is $1.74 from 109 starters.

As CJ suspected, Weaver has only 87 dirt starters during that period, but his ROI is $1.97

Bingo! The 2011 meet helped it quite a bit. With exactly 100 dirt starters, Chad Brown's ROI is $2.18

I think you have it.

Mott is $1.00 right on the nose!

Albertrani has to be one of the sub 1 guys.

Indeed, $0.86 ROI from 117 starters. On turf, he is 4-83 with an ROI of $0.39.

I don't know if he has over 100 starters, but I would not be surprised if Rusty Arnold is one of the sub par guys.

From his 41 dirt starters, Arnold's ROI is $0.48!

Rick Violette one of the sub par guys?

Hasn't Wesley Ward burned up alot of money at the Spa?

out of town trainers at saratogs
 

Ssh, you're killing my exacta prices. Always catch this guy up there for a couple of big ones every year.

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tom voss or john Morrison ?

its funny some years the ky trainers cant buy a win..its all in the trends

What about Glenn DiSanto?
Dude wins about six races a year but always wins at least one at Sar, usually at huge odds.

Richie Schosberg is dangerous early in the meet - check out how he does with his first starter of the meet every year.

Nick's "100 Starters" seems to have thrown a lot of people.

The other two sub-$1.00 ROI guys who have 100 or more starters are Nick Zito ($0.87) and Bruce Brown ($0.61).

Wesley Ward has an ROI of $0.88 with all 2YO starters over the last 5 years at Saratoga, which is a pretty dreadful number.

That is because they don't card four and a half furlong races for him.

Paul

I'm a big fan

Siacca! At least one bomb.

roy lerman
 

Always brings at least one surprise package at ridiculous odds

juan ortiz

Had no idea until you posted this that Margolis' record at Saratoga was so bad. He was 1-34 over the last five years with a $0.24 ROI.

Got that right. He is just 4-53 going back to '08, but those four have all paid well. Most recent bomber was Presumptive on opening day 2012.

Wouldn't you find similar numbers at every race meet for Lerman or Ortiz? Or for every low percentage trainer for that matter? When someone wins so few races, the winners almost have to pay well, don't they?

Paul

out of town trainers at saratoga
 

Didn't take him long, did it? What do we do the rest of the meeting?

12 Short Shrift Solis Alex O. 122 30.40 12.00 8.70
1 Nineinthenine Prado Edgar S. 122 5.50 3.90
9 Dual Citizen Rosario Joel 122 5.40


Wager Type Payoff Winning Numbers Pool
$2 Daily Double $214.00 12-12 $284,808
$2 Exacta $193.00 12-1 $390,505
$2 Quinella $90.00 1-12 $26,749
$2 Superfecta $6,834.00 12-1-9-4 $91,842
$2 Trifecta $1,347.00 12-1-9 $176,631
Owner: Michael J. Moran
Trainer: Jack O. Fisher
Breeder: W Lazy T Limited (KY)