pearl harbor day
 

71st anniversary.

the u.s. presumed there would be a japanese attack, but not at pearl. japan surprised everyone, and 'woke a sleeping giant'.

Remember Pearl Harbor..

http://my.execpc.com/~dschaaf/songnew.html

http://my.execpc.com/~dschaaf/mainmenu.html

My grandson Jack's birthday. 11 years old today. Even I can't forget this one.

I fear if it were repeated today we'd broker a deal to pay Japan not to do it again.

Or wait for direction from the UN? :wf

:D:tro:..Poifeck

Or maybe we'd follow the path set when our sovereign ground in Libya was attacked and jail the relatives of the guy who made Godzilla. :zz:

We gone from waking a giant to waking a giant pussey.

:tro:

Then move or start another thread but for **** sake don't hijack every god damn thread with you constant whining. This thread was in memory of Pearl harbor until you made it about YOU and your hatred for everything not Republican. You are truly the YING to RIOTS YANG.:zz::zz::zz:

If it happened today, the CIA wouldn't be able to tell us who did it or the perpetrators would be declared classified information. Congress would "investigate" it with a great deal of pontificating on both sides which would end with no conclusions as to what we should do. Corporations would decide that Japan was probably going to win the war so they'd start moving factories there.

i think this is absurd.
huge difference between an attack by a country and it's military against another, and an attack from a mob flying no flags in a foreign country filled with unrest.


and this was not the intent of this thread. too bad it's getting muddied up.

What won't happen if it was today Japan attacked us..We wouldn't invade
Taiwan or some other country like you know who did..:(

It's too bad we live in a day and age when we feel we have to bribe our enemies not to attack.

Maybe if we gave government handouts to bullies in school we could put the end to bullying all together.

and the absurdity piles on.

If we were attacked by a known nation the skies would be black like a locust plague only with drones and we would bomb the **** out of them. At that point an innoncent civilian would get hurt and Dell will start a thread about Drones KILLING Innocent civilians and how Obama was a WAR criminal for authorizing such an attack. We know the boring ****ing drill.

Good. That was my intent. Not to muddle up, but to be absurd. When you start with a hypothetical, you kind of figure, it's going to be absurd.

In the interests of moving this thread back to the original intent, here's a link to FDR's "Day that will in infamy" speech (audio and transcript):

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/spee...earlharbor.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor

The attack on Pearl Harbor (called Hawaii Operation or Operation AI[9][10] by the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters (Operation Z in planning)[11] and the Battle of Pearl Harbor[12]) was a surprise military strike conducted by the Imperial Japanese Navy against the United States naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on the morning of December 7, 1941 (December 8 in Japan). The attack was intended as a preventive action in order to keep the U.S. Pacific Fleet from interfering with military actions the Empire of Japan was planning in Southeast Asia against overseas territories of the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, and the United States.
The base was attacked by 353[13] Japanese fighters, bombers and torpedo planes in two waves, launched from six aircraft carriers.[13] All eight U.S. Navy battleships were damaged, with four being sunk. Of these eight damaged, two were raised, and with four repaired, six battleships returned to service later in the war. The Japanese also sank or damaged three cruisers, three destroyers, an anti-aircraft training ship,[nb 4] and one minelayer. 188 U.S. aircraft were destroyed; 2,402 Americans were killed[15] and 1,282 wounded. Important base installations such as the power station, shipyard, maintenance, and fuel and torpedo storage facilities, as well as the submarine piers and headquarters building (also home of the intelligence section) were not attacked. Japanese losses were light: 29 aircraft and five midget submarines lost, and 65 servicemen killed or wounded. One Japanese sailor was captured.

The attack came as a profound shock to the American people and led directly to the American entry into World War II in both the Pacific and European theaters. The following day (December 8), the United States declared war on Japan. Domestic support for non-interventionism, which had been strong,[16] disappeared. Clandestine support of Britain (for example the Neutrality Patrol) was replaced by active alliance. Subsequent operations by the U.S. prompted Germany and Italy to declare war on the U.S. on December 11, which was reciprocated by the U.S. the same day.

There were numerous historical precedents for unannounced military action by Japan. However, the lack of any formal warning, particularly while negotiations were still apparently ongoing, led President Franklin D. Roosevelt to proclaim December 7, 1941, "a date which will live in infamy".

two huge mistakes made, one by japan, one by germany.

japan intended to keep us out of the pacific while it took over territories, but they failed to take into account just how quickly we could repair or replace the ships that were hit (they also failed to find and destroy the entire fleet).
the other mistake was germany declaring war on us a couple days later. it was one of many mistakes (not destroying the french and british at dunkirk, invading the soviet union, not finishing off the british, thus leaving the u.k. as a staging point for our invasion at normandy, etc, etc) made by hitler, whose blundering was a larger detriment to his military than their opponents would prove to be.

Couple of good movies on Pearl Harbor and Midway (considered the turning point in the pacific war.) Pearl movie is 2004, there was another made years ago but can't remember it...Midway is an oldie 1976 with all the big time actors of that era..and much better movie than Pearl, imo..


Pearl Harbor is a 2001 American war film that mixes action and romantic drama elements, directed by Michael Bay, produced by Jerry Bruckheimer and written by Randall Wallace. It features a large ensemble cast, including Ben Affleck, Josh Hartnett, Alec Baldwin, Jon Voight, Kate Beckinsale, Cuba Gooding, Jr., Dan Aykroyd, Colm Feore, Mako, Tom Sizemore, Jaime King and Jennifer Garner.


Pearl Harbor is a dramatic reimagining of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and the subsequent Doolittle Raid. Some special prints were made from the color negatives using the recently re-introduced Technicolor dye imbibition printing process. Despite negative reviews from critics, Pearl Harbor became a major box office success, earning $449,220,945 at the world wide box office[2] and won the Academy Award for Best Sound Editing.

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Midway, released in the United Kingdom as Battle of Midway and in the US on video as The Battle of Midway,[2] is a 1976 Technicolor war film directed by Jack Smight and produced by Walter Mirisch from a screenplay by Donald S. Sanford.[3][4] The music score was by John Williams and the cinematography by Harry Stradling, Jr. The film features an international cast of superstars including Charlton Heston, Henry Fonda, James Coburn, Glenn Ford, Hal Holbrook, Toshirō Mifune, Robert Mitchum, Cliff Robertson, Robert Wagner, James Shigeta, Pat Morita, Robert Ito and Christina Kokubo, among others.

The soundtrack used Sensurround to augment the physical sensation of engine noise, explosions, crashes and gunfire.

The other movie you were thinking of about Pearl Harbor might be Tora Tora Tora? One of my favorites was From Here to Eternity. Course Pearl Harbor was a bit in the background of that movie.

Yep, that's it...Yamamoto's quote is used...

Tora! Tora! Tora! (Japanese: トラ・トラ・トラ) is a 1970 American-Japanese war film that dramatises the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. The film was directed by Richard Fleischer and stars an ensemble cast, including Martin Balsam, Joseph Cotten, Sō Yamamura, E.G. Marshall, James Whitmore and Jason Robards. The film uses Isoroku Yamamoto's famous quote, saying the attacks would only serve to "... awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve", although it may have been apocryphal. The title is the Japanese code-word used to indicate that complete surprise was achieved. It literally means "Tiger, Tiger, Tiger".


From here to eternity beach kiss scene...all us old farts remember that scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W6AGM-LxGY

I've always thought that the way to tell whether a movie is really good one or not is by how many scenes you can remember and I can remember a lot of scenes in From Here to Eternity. The kiss while the surf is rolling in was just one. The most famous to be sure.

have seen 'midway' who knows how many times...i still think tho of all the military movies i've seen, mr. roberts is my favorite.


while talking about military....my youngest told me today he would be 'on the bush' after school. i told him he might want to re-phrase that in future when talking about his next duty station!! :D his text in reply?? 'it has a landing strip too'.

kids


some of the 'bribery' that saves us from attack:

http://www.public.navy.mil/airfor/cv...CVN%2077).aspx

Yikes, almost choked on my beer when i saw George Bush:eek:, after i gathered myself i saw the H.W..:tro:

yeah, maybe they'd name a minesweeper after junior. i don't think they have canoes.