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hoovesupsideyourhead 10-30-2012 05:10 PM

romney rules in iowa
 
News papers endorse romney..the first time in 40 years
He also has a lock in floridas i10 corridor ..

geeker2 10-30-2012 05:17 PM

Obama now spending campaign money in PA. A state he thought was locked up for him.

dellinger63 10-30-2012 05:29 PM

Not to tap the glass too hard but I'm sayin Romney takes Wisconsin !!!

hoovesupsideyourhead 10-30-2012 05:39 PM

went to see romney in p cola 10,000 seats were gone in 25 min..another 3000 were outside....the people get it...

hoovesupsideyourhead 10-30-2012 05:42 PM

as a side maddona concert in new orleans last weekend.. she told concert goers to vote obama ..she was boo'd and several people left..

keithting 10-30-2012 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead (Post 899313)
News papers endorse romney..the first time in 40 years
He also has a lock in floridas i10 corridor ..

I believe that Romney takes Florida, but it will come down to Ohio and possibly even Colorado !!!

Riot 10-30-2012 06:46 PM

Oh, my, we need all you guys to take your election predictions to the contest thread ;)

Rupert Pupkin 10-30-2012 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 899345)
Oh, my, we need all you guys to take your election predictions to the contest thread ;)

I don't know who is going to win but it will definitely be closer than you think. If it was as big of a cinch as you think, Obama would be a 1-9 favorite. The posted odds right now of the republicans keeping control of the House of Representatives is a 95% chance (aka 1-20). Now that is a heavy favorite. If someone has a very strong expectation of that happening, that would be warranted.

Obama is far from a lock. The race is very still tight. If the betting lines are right and he has around a 64% chance of winning, that is a solid favorite but it is far from a lock.

If Obama does win, the one good thing is that we won't have to worry about riots. If Romney wins, I guarantee there will be riots. I have no idea what the extent will be but I guarantee there will at least be some civil unrest. People are already threatening it on Twitter. If people riot after a championship basketball game, they will certainly riot if their man loses the Presidency.

hoovesupsideyourhead 10-30-2012 07:16 PM

of course there will.. god forbid they have to work..and not get free obama bucks..

Rupert Pupkin 10-30-2012 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead (Post 899354)
of course there will.. god forbid they have to work..and not get free obama bucks..

That was one of the things that one of the people on Twitter said. He said, "If Romney wins we're going to riot. Romney is going to take away our food stamps."

Riot 10-30-2012 07:27 PM

Rupert - I think this election was decided over a month ago. The polls really have not budged significantly since then. There is 6 days to election. Romney is refusing to talk to press.

How can Romney turn around all these swing states and get to 270? Romney never had a road to 270 electoral votes. He would need a historical landslide of all swing states. Never gonna happen.
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Via Markos Moulitsas copying TPM Polltracker (all polls synthesized together) :

Here's the current state of the race 10-30-12, per the TPM polltracker. I did one of these yesterday, so the trends only span one day.

State Obama Romney Margin Change from 10/29

Colorado 48 46.2 1.8 0.0
Florida 48.2 48.4 -0.2 0.1
Iowa 49.2 46.9 2.3 0.0

New Hampshire 48 45 3.0 0.7
Nevada 50.3 46.2 4.1 0.9
North Carolina 45.9 48.4 -2.5 0.0

Ohio 49.4 47.3 2.1 0.7
Virginia 48.6 46.6 2.0 0.0
Wisconsin 48.9 46.7 2.2 0.0

Michigan 47.7 46.5 1.2
Pennsylvania 48.9 45.9 3.0

The states that have polls all show the trends continuing in Obama's direction. I re-added Michigan and Pennsylvania at the bottom. Pennsylvania looks tight/ But it's skewed by one of those baby Rasmussen pollsters, in this case Foster-McCollum for the local Fox affiliate. Their influence on the composite is particularly outsized because few people have polled the state recently. Take them out, and it's Obama 48.7-44.8, or a nearly four-point edge.

Dahoss 10-30-2012 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead (Post 899354)
of course there will.. god forbid they have to work..and not get free obama bucks..

Let me ask you something...do conservatives take the "Obama bucks" also? I mean, the way you guys go on the only people who receive government support are people who support Obama.

hoovesupsideyourhead 10-31-2012 09:34 AM

no im sure many need food stamps and unemployment. ive got no problem with those that need it.now where i have a problem is when you have cronic abuse of the system.ive seen people with 3 or more kids 3 diffrent fathers getting foodstamps ,unemployment benifits..they drive a 50 thousand dollar car..they dont have any intention of finding work .this is generations of welfare.im looking for some integrity in the system.random drug testing of long standing welfare recipiants. not the elderly..people of working age who are fit..and just lazy..im not hartless just tired of the abuse.and i find it funny that when the 47 percent comes up..obama does not address this demographic..its old people and veterans..acting as if romney wants to cut off a veteran or the elderly..:rolleyes:

GenuineRisk 10-31-2012 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead (Post 899395)
no im sure many need food stamps and unemployment. ive got no problem with those that need it.now where i have a problem is when you have cronic abuse of the system.ive seen people with 3 or more kids 3 diffrent fathers getting foodstamps ,unemployment benifits..they drive a 50 thousand dollar car..they dont have any intention of finding work .this is generations of welfare.im looking for some integrity in the system.random drug testing of long standing welfare recipiants. not the elderly..people of working age who are fit..and just lazy..im not hartless just tired of the abuse.and i find it funny that when the 47 percent comes up..obama does not address this demographic..its old people and veterans..acting as if romney wants to cut off a veteran or the elderly..:rolleyes:

Wow. My neighbor's canines are barking their lungs out thanks to all the dog whistles in this post.

bigrun 10-31-2012 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead (Post 899395)
no im sure many need food stamps and unemployment. ive got no problem with those that need it.now where i have a problem is when you have cronic abuse of the system.ive seen people with 3 or more kids 3 diffrent fathers getting foodstamps ,unemployment benifits..they drive a 50 thousand dollar car..they dont have any intention of finding work .this is generations of welfare.im looking for some integrity in the system.random drug testing of long standing welfare recipiants. not the elderly..people of working age who are fit..and just lazy..im not hartless just tired of the abuse.and i find it funny that when the 47 percent comes up..obama does not address this demographic..its old people and veterans..acting as if romney wants to cut off a veteran or the elderly..:rolleyes:

Wow, no schit!..i'm on SS and can barely afford a 5000 car..:mad:

bigrun 10-31-2012 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 899352)
I don't know who is going to win but it will definitely be closer than you think. If it was as big of a cinch as you think, Obama would be a 1-9 favorite. The posted odds right now of the republicans keeping control of the House of Representatives is a 95% chance (aka 1-20). Now that is a heavy favorite. If someone has a very strong expectation of that happening, that would be warranted.

Obama is far from a lock. The race is very still tight. If the betting lines are right and he has around a 64% chance of winning, that is a solid favorite but it is far from a lock.

If Obama does win, the one good thing is that we won't have to worry about riots. If Romney wins, I guarantee there will be riots. I have no idea what the extent will be but I guarantee there will at least be some civil unrest. People are already threatening it on Twitter. If people riot after a championship basketball game, they will certainly riot if their man loses the Presidency.


Oh yeah, how bout the tea party and their leader gomer here...they gonna sit by and do nothing..:eek: and they will be packing..






Riot 10-31-2012 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 899404)
Wow. My neighbor's canines are barking their lungs out thanks to all the dog whistles in this post.

Then you'll love what Iowa Republican Congressman Steve King said today:

He wants strict controls on any federal disaster aid, because the aid that went to Katrina victims was spent on "Gucci bags and massage parlors".

Meanwhile, the right is still getting pimped by Alex Jones making up fake Twitter accounts and posting "dis nigga gonna riot if Obama loses!"

bigrun 10-31-2012 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 899441)
Then you'll love what Iowa Republican Congressman Steve King said today:

He wants strict controls on any federal disaster aid, because the aid that went to Katrina victims was spent on "Gucci bags and massage parlors".

Meanwhile, the right is still getting pimped by Alex Jones making up fake Twitter accounts and posting "dis nigga gonna riot if Obama loses!"

:D Did he mention the 50K cars and 50" flat screen tvs?

Rupert Pupkin 10-31-2012 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 899441)
Then you'll love what Iowa Republican Congressman Steve King said today:

He wants strict controls on any federal disaster aid, because the aid that went to Katrina victims was spent on "Gucci bags and massage parlors".

Meanwhile, the right is still getting pimped by Alex Jones making up fake Twitter accounts and posting "dis nigga gonna riot if Obama loses!"

Do you have any evidence that the threats came from phony Twitter accounts?

dellinger63 10-31-2012 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 899405)
Wow, no schit!..i'm on SS and can barely afford a 5000 car..:mad:

You saved nothing? :zz::wf

dellinger63 10-31-2012 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 899484)
:D Did he mention the 50K cars and 50" flat screen tvs?

You realize Obama bought 2 piece of shiat Volts for $150K for the Venice Consulate and then ran out of money for Lybian security.

Kind of how you must have budgeted back in the day.

hoovesupsideyourhead 10-31-2012 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 899504)
You realize Obama bought 2 piece of shiat Volts for $150K for the Venice Consulate and then ran out of money for Lybian security.

Kind of how you must have budgeted back in the day.

lol

Rupert Pupkin 10-31-2012 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 899441)

Meanwhile, the right is still getting pimped by Alex Jones making up fake Twitter accounts and posting "dis nigga gonna riot if Obama loses!"

This post is a new low, even for you. Like the candidates, most of your posts are half-truths. But this post isn't even a half-truth. This is a 100% lie. There is not a shred of evidence that the tweets are fake. Where did you come up with such an accusation? Please provide even an iota of evidence that supports your accusation.

Rudeboyelvis 10-31-2012 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 899512)
This post is a new low, even for you. Like the candidates, most of your posts are half-truths. But this post isn't even a half-truth. This is a 100% lie. There is not a shred of evidence that the tweets are fake. Where did you come up with such an accusation? Please provide even an iota of evidence that supports your accusation.

She only has 6 days left - she's getting her money's worth I imagine :rolleyes:

Dahoss 10-31-2012 08:16 PM

I'm probably in the minority but I'll take Riot over the Rupert any day.

Riot 10-31-2012 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 899500)
Do you have any evidence that the threats came from phony Twitter accounts?

Yes. Go to Twitter, and click on the accounts. Look at who their followers are, and who follows who, and the activity. See who "broke the story" first, and who then picked it up. Troll accounts are pretty common and very obvious on Twitter.

You can also search on "riot Obama". Oh, so many threats! LOL!

That said, threats against Obama, Romney, the Old Man in the Sea are also pretty common on social media. Just copy it to @secretservice and they take care of it

Riot 10-31-2012 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 899536)
She only has 6 days left - she's getting her money's worth I imagine :rolleyes:

You want in on the bet? Yes or no? You willing to put your money where your mouth is? I already have, twice. Can you step up to that? Or are you just mouth?

Rupert Pupkin 10-31-2012 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 899597)
Yes. Go to Twitter, and click on the accounts. Look at who their followers are, and who follows who, and the activity. See who "broke the story" first, and who then picked it up. Troll accounts are pretty common and very obvious on Twitter.

You can also search on "riot Obama". Oh, so many threats! LOL!

That said, threats against Obama, Romney, the Old Man in the Sea are also pretty common on social media. Just copy it to @secretservice and they take care of it

I read that several of the threats were from people that had been on Twitter for years and had a couple of thousand posts.

I would be suspect of any posts that were from brand new people. But if the posts are from people with a long history then there would be no reason to think they're fake.

Riot 10-31-2012 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 899608)
I read that several of the threats were from people that had been on Twitter for years and had a couple of thousand posts.

Well, you can either read what you are supposed to think, or look for yourself.

The question is: is there actually some massive plan movement among millions of Obama supporters to start riots if he loses?

That would be ... no.

But boy, it sure whistles loudly to a certain segment of the country :tro:

Who posted this first? Alex Jones.

Where did it go from there - with zero further vetting? Drudge, Breitbart - all the usual hysterical conspiracy sites.

So, it's probably about equal, based upon factual evidence, if all the posters are "real", that 20 or so Romney supporters would start mass riots, if he loses, as 20 or so Obama supporters would if he loses.

dylbert 10-31-2012 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 899345)
Oh, my, we need all you guys to take your election predictions to the contest thread ;)

Great thing, Riot, you only have one vote. Looks like this contest is trending sharply toward Romney.

When your campaign unravels, it just unravels. Yes, Obama has looked presidential in wake of Sandy disaster. Incumbant enjoys that privilege as office holder. He can pledge the public coffers to assist recovery efforts, too. That's his job!

Riot 10-31-2012 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dylbert (Post 899613)
Great thing, Riot, you only have one vote. Looks like this contest is trending sharply toward Romney.

When your campaign unravels, it just unravels. Yes, Obama has looked presidential in wake of Sandy disaster. Incumbant enjoys that privilege as office holder. He can pledge the public coffers to assist recovery efforts, too. That's his job!

If you think Romney will win, put up your total ;) Here's the link: http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...t=48857&page=3

Rude posted a Rasmussen poll today (Ras is notably right leaning), though, that says Obama wins with over 330 electoral votes.

Just sayin' :rolleyes:

Rupert Pupkin 10-31-2012 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 899609)
Well, you can either read what you are supposed to think, or look for yourself.

The question is: is there actually some massive plan movement among millions of Obama supporters to start riots if he loses?

That would be ... no.

But boy, it sure whistles loudly to a certain segment of the country :tro:

Who posted this first? Alex Jones.

Where did it go from there - with zero further vetting? Drudge, Breitbart - all the usual hysterical conspiracy sites.

So, it's probably about equal, based upon factual evidence, if all the posters are "real", that 20 or so Romney supporters would start mass riots, if he loses, as 20 or so Obama supporters would if he loses.

I don't think there is a plan amongst millions of Obama supporters to riot. But I do think there are some gang member types out there who are planning on it. If Obama wins, we will never find out who is right. If Romney wins, we will see who is right. If Romney does win, I hope that I am wrong. I hope there are no riots. But if Romney does win, I will be shocked if there isn't at least some rioting in certain areas. There are people out there who just look for an excuse to riot.

Riot 10-31-2012 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 899617)
I don't think there is a plan amongst millions of Obama supporters to riot. But I do think there are some gang member types out there who are planning on it. If Obama wins, we will never find out who is right. If Romney wins, we will see who is right. If Romney does win, I hope that I am wrong. I hope there are no riots. But if Romney does win, I will be shocked if there isn't at least some rioting in certain areas. There are people out there who just look for an excuse to riot.

I completely agree with you that all sorts of people, from black inner city gang members to good old country boys drunk in pickups with shotguns to anarchists in New York will take advantage, if they can, to create havoc.

Wasn't there just another sports riot the other day with the World Series winner? (sorry, yes, I did not pay attention) Point being people take advantage.

Rupert Pupkin 10-31-2012 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 899624)
I completely agree with you that all sorts of people, from black inner city gang members to good old country boys drunk in pickups with shotguns to anarchists in New York will take advantage, if they can, to create havoc.

Wasn't there just another sports riot the other day with the World Series winner? (sorry, yes, I did not pay attention) Point being people take advantage.

I was listening to some urban talk radio show the other day and the host was saying that she was worried that the republicans are going to steal the election. She is just fanning the flames. I thought it was really irresponsible. I hope there aren't too many DJs on these stations saying things like this. If you convince people that the election was stolen, they are going to be much more likely to riot.

Riot 10-31-2012 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 899628)
I was listening to some urban talk radio show the other day and the host was saying that she was worried that the republicans are going to steal the election. She is just fanning the flames. I thought it was really irresponsible. I hope there aren't too many DJs on these stations saying things like this. If you convince people that the election was stolen, they are going to be much more likely to riot.

Yes, that is fanning the flames.

There is plenty of documented voter intimidation (True the Vote, billboards) but that is all being investigated and pretty apparent.

There is concern about Romney family owning part of the company that supplies the voter machines in Texas and Ohio, but that's probably just hysteria.

There was a reporter who tried to early vote in Texas this week, using his utility bill (legal voter ID) and the poll worker wouldn't let him vote, until he made a fuss and got a supervisor. They didn't know he could vote without a drivers license, which is just wrong. What if that was a spanish-speaking person, or someone who didn't know the poll workers were wrong on the voting law? They would have left without voting.

There are currently cases of people in early voting states who have voted by mail having their votes being discarded without their knowledge or further comment because signatures "don't match" the signature on the voting rolls.

There have been thousands of voters taken off voting rolls in various states illegally in purges, and that has been pursued at the state level and via lawsuit by DOJ and ACLU.

It just came to light that the Romney pollworkers in Wisconsin were being taught things as pollworkers (regarding ID) that was not legally true. They were just given wrong information. And they were told to arrive at the polls and register as "independent" observers, rather than "republican" workers. That doesn't breed trust, especially in an imported state like Wisconsin.

There is the long history of the first mayor Daley of Chicago, which has tarred and feathered every other Democrat since in the minds of the shallow regarding "union thugs" and "dead voters", etc.

The problem is the 2000 election has made everyone distrustful: Gore won Florida. Gore won the popular vote. But the Supreme Court stopped the count and gave the election to Bush via electoral college. In retrospect, yes, I think that election was "stolen" (and I voted for Bush!)

Have the FBI voter intimidate number with you, go to the polls, and vote. And don't let backwater jerks as polling workers stop you. Know your state voting laws.

dylbert 10-31-2012 10:26 PM

Nice rant is previous post. I would add that Supreme Court saved US from Al Gore as president.

And in six more days, this thread is irrelevant...

Riot 10-31-2012 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dylbert (Post 899635)
Nice rant is previous post. I would add that Supreme Court saved US from Al Gore as president.

And in six more days, this thread is irrelevant...

Wow. If you think my post was a "rant", you don't have much grasp of reality.

Do you think the electoral college should be removed in favor of popular vote win? Yes or no?

Rupert Pupkin 10-31-2012 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 899630)
Yes, that is fanning the flames.

There is plenty of documented voter intimidation (True the Vote, billboards) but that is all being investigated and pretty apparent.

There is concern about Romney family owning part of the company that supplies the voter machines in Texas and Ohio, but that's probably just hysteria.

There was a reporter who tried to early vote in Texas this week, using his utility bill (legal voter ID) and the poll worker wouldn't let him vote, until he made a fuss and got a supervisor. They didn't know he could vote without a drivers license, which is just wrong. What if that was a spanish-speaking person, or someone who didn't know the poll workers were wrong on the voting law? They would have left without voting.

There are currently cases of people in early voting states who have voted by mail having their votes being discarded without their knowledge or further comment because signatures "don't match" the signature on the voting rolls.

There have been thousands of voters taken off voting rolls in various states illegally in purges, and that has been pursued at the state level and via lawsuit by DOJ and ACLU.

It just came to light that the Romney pollworkers in Wisconsin were being taught things as pollworkers (regarding ID) that was not legally true. They were just given wrong information. And they were told to arrive at the polls and register as "independent" observers, rather than "republican" workers. That doesn't breed trust, especially in an imported state like Wisconsin.

There is the long history of the first mayor Daley of Chicago, which has tarred and feathered every other Democrat since in the minds of the shallow regarding "union thugs" and "dead voters", etc.

The problem is the 2000 election has made everyone distrustful: Gore won Florida. Gore won the popular vote. But the Supreme Court stopped the count and gave the election to Bush via electoral college. In retrospect, yes, I think that election was "stolen" (and I voted for Bush!)

Have the FBI voter intimidate number with you, go to the polls, and vote. And don't let backwater jerks as polling workers stop you. Know your state voting laws.

I totally disagree with you about Florida in 2000. Bush won Florida. Gore tried to steal it. Some members of the all Democratic Florida Supreme Court tried to help him steal it. They were going to keep tampering with those ballots until Gore had more votes. Luckily the US Supreme Court put an end to it.

I don't know if you remember but even democratic judges in Florida said the election was over and Bush won. But then Gore would appeal to the Florida Supreme Court. All 7 Justices on the Fla. Supreme Court were democrats and the Court kept overturning every decision and ruling in favor of Gore. Their rulings weren't even unanimous in any of their pro-Gore rulings. There were a couple of Democrats on the Florida Supreme Court who said the election was over and Bush won, but they got out-voted by the other partisan democrats on the Court each time that Gore would appeal to them.

People talk about the US Supreme Court being partisan in their ruling. What about the Florida Supreme Court? That court was a joke. Even a couple of the Democrats on that Court thought it was disgraceful what they were doing.

Riot 10-31-2012 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 899644)
I totally disagree with you about Florida in 2000. Bush won Florida. Gore tried to steal it. Some members of the all Democratic Florida Supreme Court tried to help him steal it. They were going to keep tampering with those ballots until Gore had more votes. Luckily the US Supreme Court put an end to it.

I don't know if you remember but even democratic judges in Florida said the election was over and Bush won. But then Gore would appeal to the Florida Supreme Court. All 7 Justices on the Fla. Supreme Court were democrats and the Court kept overturning every decision and ruling in favor of Gore. Their rulings weren't even unanimous in any of their pro-Gore rulings. There were a couple of Democrats on the Florida Supreme Court who said the election was over and Bush won, but they got out-voted by the other partisan democrats on the Court each time that Gore would appeal to them.

People talk about the US Supreme Court being partisan in their ruling. What about the Florida Supreme Court? That court was a joke. Even a couple of the Democrats on that Court thought it was disgraceful what they were doing.

Yes, I remember what the Democrats were doing. I'm a Republican, and voted for Bush, remember?

As I said - in retrospect, I've changed my opinion. Gore has more votes in the official election record.

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The election was noteworthy for a controversy over the awarding of Florida's 25 electoral votes, the subsequent recount process in that state, and the unusual event of the winning candidate having received fewer popular votes than the runner-up.[2] This marked only the fourth election in U.S. History in which the eventual winner failed to win a plurality of the popular vote (after the elections of 1824, 1876, and 1888). Later research showed that by the standards requested by the Gore campaign in their contest brief or by the partial statewide recount set by the Florida Supreme Court, Bush would have likely won the recount anyway.[3] However, the same research indicates that had the statewide recount included all uncounted votes (overvotes as well as undervotes), as seems probable based on later statements by the judge overseeing the recount and supported by faxes made public in November, 2001, Gore would have won the election.

Rudeboyelvis 11-03-2012 07:38 AM

Romney 51% Obama 45% in FL, by the most recent polling done in the state across the spectrum of the population, not just one historically liberal county:

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-bu...ey-51-obama-45


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