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dellinger63 10-05-2012 12:32 PM

Are You Better Off After Four Years?
 
Tammy Duckworth (D) candidate for congress says yes in her latest commercial.

Before you answer, consider gasoline then $1.87 is now $4.00. If you drive the average 12K miles a year in a SUV getting 20 miles per gallon you now pay an additional $1,278 per car.

Health Insurance as pointed out yesterday at least in Chicago has risen 38% in the last 4 years or roughly 9% per year and is expected to rise another 6% plus next year. And while Doctors are crying foul, and denounce Obamacare insurance providers are licking their chops in anticipation of the government forcing every citizen to be their customer. Policy cost too high? No problem the rest of America including the middle class will pitch in and pay even in the case of it being the individual, who is hard to insure’s fault. I suppose in the mind of the crazies someone cooked and served the 500lb man so his diabetes and heart problems are shared by all. Bottom line, a family of four now pays an average of $12K/year when four years ago they paid $8,333, a rise of $3,667 in cost.

So American Family with two cars and two kids; are you better off minus the $6,223 a year knowing that $90 billion was thrown away on a dream of the government developing green energy companies and $50 billion to mid-east allies who show their appreciation by burning our flag? Wonder how the father crying about no pizza night with his two daughters is feeling about now?

BTW that $140 billion of wasted money split up among 150 million tax payers comes to another $933 bucks bringing the total to $7,156 but no worries, we borrowed the $933 from China so your children and grandchildren will pick up that tab and its interest.

At least Osama is dead and your daughters will have abortion and BC included in their insurance with no co-pays. Gays are now 'out' in the military and children of illegals have been moved to the front of the line. Egypt is 'free' to be Muslim and Al Qaida is on the run (in between attacking our embassies). What a resume. Why is Romney even running?

GBBob 10-05-2012 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 894193)
Tammy Duckworth (D) candidate for congress says yes in her latest commercial.

Before you answer, consider gasoline then $1.87 is now $4.00. If you drive the average 12K miles a year in a SUV getting 20 miles per gallon you now pay an additional $1,278 per car.

Health Insurance as pointed out yesterday at least in Chicago has risen 38% in the last 4 years or roughly 9% per year and is expected to rise another 6% plus next year. And while Doctors are crying foul, and denounce Obamacare insurance providers are licking their chops in anticipation of the government forcing every citizen to be their customer. Policy cost too high? No problem the rest of America including the middle class will pitch in and pay even in the case of it being the individual, who is hard to insure’s fault. I suppose in the mind of the crazies someone cooked and served the 500lb man so his diabetes and heart problems are shared by all. Bottom line, a family of four now pays an average of $12K/year when four years ago they paid $8,333, a rise of $3,667 in cost.

So American Family with two cars and two kids; are you better off minus the $6,223 a year knowing that $90 billion was thrown away on a dream of the government developing green energy companies and $50 billion to mid-east allies who show their appreciation by burning our flag? Wonder how the father crying about no pizza night with his two daughters is feeling about now?

BTW that $140 billion of wasted money split up among 150 million tax payers comes to another $933 bucks bringing the total to $7,156 but no worries, we borrowed the $933 from China so your children and grandchildren will pick up that tab and its interest.

At least Osama is dead and your daughters will have abortion and BC included in their insurance with no co-pays. Gays are now 'out' in the military and children of illegals have been moved to the front of the line. Egypt is 'free' to be Muslim and Al Qaida is on the run (in between attacking our embassies). What a resume. Why is Romney even running?

Gas was $3.80 in Feb of '08?

joeydb 10-05-2012 01:01 PM

Doing much worse.

Not everybody lights up a doobie every day (maybe that would help?)


Riot 10-05-2012 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 894212)
Doing much worse.

Not everybody lights up a doobie every day (maybe that would help?)



Just sayin', our choice Nov. 6 is between the above, and the below ...


dellinger63 10-05-2012 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 894198)
Gas was $3.80 in Feb of '08?

Gas was actually $2.90 in Feb 2008 and $1.61 on 12/29/08.

http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx

dellinger63 10-05-2012 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 894212)
Doing much worse.

Not everybody lights up a doobie every day (maybe that would help?)



Quote:

Obama: "You know, it's interesting. There is a deep down, underneath all the work that I do, I think there's a laziness in me. It's probably from, you know, growing up in Hawaii and it's sunny outside, and sitting on the beach.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...ess_in_me.html

GBBob 10-05-2012 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 894221)
Gas was actually $2.90 in Feb 2008 and $1.61 on 12/29/08.

http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx

According to your chart, gas was $3.50 on Oct 5 2008

joeydb 10-05-2012 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 894214)
Just sayin', our choice Nov. 6 is between the above, and the below ...


The "Obama smoking a joint" picture was not a photoshop creation, unfortunately.

Riot 10-05-2012 01:33 PM

Does Obama get any credit in Dell's gasoline price rant for being personally responsible for cutting our gasoline prices at the pump in half by 2025?

Because the auto bailout was not a free ride (as Bush gave the bankers with the first TARP deal).

Obama required the bailed-out automakers to double car gasoline mileage to at least 54.5 mpg by 2025.

Quote:

The rules will "save a typical car owner more than $8,000 in fuel costs over the life of their vehicle and reduce American consumers’ fuel costs by almost $2 trillion"
That halves our current gasoline consumption at that point. That decreases the price we're paying now as the requirement ramps up in steps, and mileage continues to improve along the requirements.

Riot 10-05-2012 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 894225)
The "Obama smoking a joint" picture was not a photoshop creation, unfortunately.

Damn - Obama recently cracking down on medical marijuana use must make you happy, and very proud of this President :tro:

joeydb 10-05-2012 01:37 PM

I'll never understand stoners.

Riot 10-05-2012 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 894228)
I'll never understand stoners.

That's because you don't get stoned. You have to be there ;)

alysheba4 10-05-2012 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 894221)
Gas was actually $2.90 in Feb 2008 and $1.61 on 12/29/08.

http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx

here in santa clarita calif. i just paid $4.54 for regular......yeah, everthing is just great:rolleyes:

alysheba4 10-05-2012 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 894227)
Damn - Obama recently cracking down on medical marijuana use must make you happy, and very proud of this President :tro:

:mad:

geeker2 10-05-2012 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by alysheba4 (Post 894267)
here in santa clarita calif. i just paid $4.54 for regular......yeah, everthing is just great:rolleyes:

just filled up in San Diego today $4.81 wtf?

Dahoss 10-05-2012 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 894228)
I'll never understand stoners.

What is there to understand? Do you drink?

joeydb 10-06-2012 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 894370)
What is there to understand? Do you drink?

Not to excess... and only the stuff that tastes good.

Dahoss 10-06-2012 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 894373)
Not to excess... and only the stuff that tastes good.

Nice answer.

Enlighten me here. What is your issue with people who smoke weed?

joeydb 10-06-2012 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 894394)
Nice answer.

Enlighten me here. What is your issue with people who smoke weed?

Besides breaking the law? A recent study has shown that it causes a degradation in intellectual ability over time - something that cigarettes have not shown.

I'm assuming that those who like marijuana do not actually want to hurt themselves, so as I alluded to above, I don't understand why someone would seek out this substance.

Same thing holds true for alcohol of course - if you find out that you are one of the 10% of the population that cannot handle taking a drink due to your physiology, you would be wise to avoid alcohol. In the same way, those who have allergies avoid the allergens in question.

If marijuana was shown to be truly harmless and made legal, then the only issue I would have is that like cigarettes, I would not want to be subjected to inhaling smoke I did not consent to.

dellinger63 10-06-2012 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 894394)
Nice answer.

Enlighten me here. What is your issue with people who smoke weed?


Not sure this is Joey's situation but generally speaking I've found that people who walk around with something stuck up their azz are unable to appreciate good ganja and resent others that do.

Similar to the group of old ladies who ran around Evanston IL almost 100 years ago. What came of that other than making Al Capone and Joe Kennedy phenomenally rich?

joeydb 10-06-2012 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 894398)
Not sure this is Joey's situation but generally speaking I've found that people who walk around with something stuck up their azz are unable to appreciate good ganja and resent others that do.

Similar to the group of old ladies who ran around Evanston IL almost 100 years ago. What came of that other than making Al Capone and Joe Kennedy phenomenally rich?

People in altered states of awareness due to powerful chemical agents are perhaps the most likely to have inserted foreign objects in various orifaces.

Dahoss 10-06-2012 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 894397)
Besides breaking the law? A recent study has shown that it causes a degradation in intellectual ability over time - something that cigarettes have not shown.

I'm assuming that those who like marijuana do not actually want to hurt themselves, so as I alluded to above, I don't understand why someone would seek out this substance.

Same thing holds true for alcohol of course - if you find out that you are one of the 10% of the population that cannot handle taking a drink due to your physiology, you would be wise to avoid alcohol. In the same way, those who have allergies avoid the allergens in question.

If marijuana was shown to be truly harmless and made legal, then the only issue I would have is that like cigarettes, I would not want to be subjected to inhaling smoke I did not consent to.

I actually thought you had a valid reason. My bad.

One more question....is it hard to sit with that 2 X 4 up your ass?

Dahoss 10-06-2012 09:24 AM

I didn't read Dell's post before I posted.

Pretty funny.

dellinger63 10-06-2012 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 894399)
People in altered states of awareness due to powerful chemical agents are perhaps the most likely to have inserted foreign objects in various orifaces.

You considering marijuana to be a 'powerful chemical agent' just proved my point. You would have fit in perfectly next to those suffrage gals. And what a barrel of fun they must have been.

Give me a hottie a tottie and a joint to share, but to each his own.

joeydb 10-06-2012 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 894404)
You considering marijuana to be a 'powerful chemical agent' just proved my point. You would have fit in perfectly next to those suffrage gals. And what a barrel of fun they must have been.

Give me a hottie a tottie and a joint to share, but to each his own.

If she's that hot - shouldn't need the joint.

joeydb 10-06-2012 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 894400)
I actually thought you had a valid reason. My bad.

One more question....is it hard to sit with that 2 X 4 up your ass?

Besides alluding to your probable lifestyle concerning the uses of lumber, you prove once again that the first to hurl insults has usually lost the argument.

Dahoss 10-06-2012 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 894407)
Besides alluding to your probable lifestyle concerning the uses of lumber, you prove once again that the first to hurl insults has usually lost the argument.

I didn't realize we were having an argument and I'm just kidding.

2X4 is probably too big. Pencil maybe?

joeydb 10-06-2012 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 894409)
I didn't realize we were having an argument and I'm just kidding.

2X4 is probably too big. Pencil maybe?

I meant 'argument' in the court room sense.

I'm kidding too - I don't even know you, so why would I want to piss you off?

Anyway - let's leave it there. I admittedly don't understand the whole pot thing. I don't see why others are so passionate to defend it either. But hey, it's America and there are places where it is now legal, so to each their own. Just like alcohol though - if it takes a toll don't drive under the influence - and like cigarettes, don't cry to the rest of us if it gives you lung cancer.

Danzig 10-06-2012 10:29 AM

Personally, yes, tony and i are both better off. But that has more to do with being four years further along insofar as the kids are grown, some things have been paid off, etc. Nothing to do with admin changes.

As for marijuana...my youngest had to do a paper on a controversial subject, so he decided on arguing for mj legalization. His research was enlightening. That stuff is less harmful than alcohol.

GenuineRisk 10-06-2012 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 894404)
You considering marijuana to be a 'powerful chemical agent' just proved my point. You would have fit in perfectly next to those suffrage gals. And what a barrel of fun they must have been.

Give me a hottie a tottie and a joint to share, but to each his own.

Because everyone knows there is no greater opiate than voting.

(face/palm)

dellinger63 10-06-2012 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 894511)
Because everyone knows there is no greater opiate than voting.

(face/palm)

Should have been more specific and stated the Women's Christian Temerance Union who later sparked the suffrage movement. Evanston to this day still has no liquor stores and the WCTU are still in existence with maybe a dozen members. Maybe it's time for them to align with the Red Hat Society if they can get those ladies put down their cosmos and dirty martini's. Like that's gonna happen.

Antitrust32 10-08-2012 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 894397)
Besides breaking the law? A recent study has shown that it causes a degradation in intellectual ability over time - something that cigarettes have not shown.

I'm assuming that those who like marijuana do not actually want to hurt themselves, so as I alluded to above, I don't understand why someone would seek out this substance.

Same thing holds true for alcohol of course - if you find out that you are one of the 10% of the population that cannot handle taking a drink due to your physiology, you would be wise to avoid alcohol. In the same way, those who have allergies avoid the allergens in question.

If marijuana was shown to be truly harmless and made legal, then the only issue I would have is that like cigarettes, I would not want to be subjected to inhaling smoke I did not consent to.

agghhh. besides breaking the law? yeah we know politicians always have americans best interests at mind when making laws. The Patriot Act and NDAA must be amazing.

the uses for hemp are so enormous.. that is the reason it is illegal. the lumber lobbyists keep it illegal. we wouldnt have to wipe out rainforests to make paper if we could grow hemp in the US. at that is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the plant.

i have to address your untruths when it comes to this new study. it was found to have effects only when used before you are fully developed mentally.. it can lower your IQ if you use it heavily as an adolescent. this study did not find ANY difference in IQ measurements with adult users.

"People who did not engage in marijuana smoking until after adolescence showed no adverse effects on intelligence."

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2...urt-future-iq/

I understand that some people dont like it, or dont want to do it, or dont want people they love doing it... but I really dont understand people like Joey's mindset about this natural plant that is much better for you than the two legalized drugs on the market.

Antitrust32 10-08-2012 01:25 PM

what we should be worried about as a society.. instead of a plant that has many fine uses that dont even involve using it to alter your mindstate.. We should be worried about the opiates and barbiturates that get passed out routinely at the doctors office.

The oxycotin and xanax problem in this country is going through the roof. and that stuff literally kills. oxy especially.

But its okay, because a doctor prescribes it. :rolleyes:

kp319 10-09-2012 07:35 AM

I dont think they even make barbituates anymore.

Antitrust32 10-09-2012 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kp319 (Post 894925)
I dont think they even make barbituates anymore.

sorry, confused the term with benzo's

Dahoss 10-09-2012 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 894806)
what we should be worried about as a society.. instead of a plant that has many fine uses that dont even involve using it to alter your mindstate.. We should be worried about the opiates and barbiturates that get passed out routinely at the doctors office.

The oxycotin and xanax problem in this country is going through the roof. and that stuff literally kills. oxy especially.

But its okay, because a doctor prescribes it. :rolleyes:

This is dead on. Unfortunately it falls on deaf ears to people like Joey who aren't really informed and just regurgitate the uptight, conservative mantra of,
"we don't understand it, so it must be wrong."

dellinger63 10-09-2012 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 894806)
what we should be worried about as a society.. instead of a plant that has many fine uses that dont even involve using it to alter your mindstate.. We should be worried about the opiates and barbiturates that get passed out routinely at the doctors office.

The oxycotin and xanax problem in this country is going through the roof. and that stuff literally kills. oxy especially.

But its okay, because a doctor prescribes it. :rolleyes:

The sick part here is seniors (many who visit local OTB's) are selling their pills to dealers who in turn are selling them to users, all on the backs of U.S. Taxpayers. Then there's the story of Dr. Giacomo in chicago who thru his pain clinics prescribed over a million pills and who since has lost his med license. Hopefully IL/WI are unique but probably not.


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