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Danzig 09-14-2012 03:37 PM

planned p'hood=racist baby killers
 
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2...y-killers?lite



WASHINGTON -- A Republican member of Congress equated Planned Parenthood to “slavery forces” and called it a “racist organization” that was “created with the sole purpose of killing children that look like mine.”

Clip-Clop 09-14-2012 03:45 PM

I am pro-abortion, but he is pretty close to the truth.

Danzig 09-14-2012 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 890092)
I am pro-abortion, but he is pretty close to the truth.

really?


not here i don't think:

“And this president is looking for every way possible to make abortion more available and more frequent, and he wants you to pay for it -- even if you disagree with it. Welcome to another provision of Obamacare.

what about this?:

pays money to an entity that was created for the sole purpose of killing children that look like mine -- a racist organization, and it continues specifically to target minorities for abortion destruction. Shame on this president and shame on that party.”

Riot 09-14-2012 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 890094)
“And this president is looking for every way possible to make abortion more available and more frequent, and he wants you to pay for it -- even if you disagree with it. Welcome to another provision of Obamacare.

There is no provision in the Affordable Care Act that forces or uses any taxpayer funding whatsoever for abortion services.
What a pathetic, lunatic liar.

Clip-Clop 09-14-2012 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 890094)
really?


not here i don't think:

“And this president is looking for every way possible to make abortion more available and more frequent, and he wants you to pay for it -- even if you disagree with it. Welcome to another provision of Obamacare.

what about this?:

pays money to an entity that was created for the sole purpose of killing children that look like mine -- a racist organization, and it continues specifically to target minorities for abortion destruction. Shame on this president and shame on that party.”

Maybe not the sole purpose but that is a lot of what is done there. It is a theory that is subscribed to by many.
I was thinking "shame on the President" was factual.

Riot 09-14-2012 05:11 PM

Planned Parenthood hardly provides any abortion services at all. That's simply false.



It's also false that the government funds most of Planned Parenthood. And 100% of government funds are not allowed to be used for abortion. Never. Taxpayer dollars have never paid for even one abortion, be it at Planned Parenthood or elsewhere, since the Hyde Amendment was passed.


Danzig 09-14-2012 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 890099)
Maybe not the sole purpose but that is a lot of what is done there. It is a theory that is subscribed to by many.
I was thinking "shame on the President" was factual.

:D

lord007 09-14-2012 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 890104)
Planned Parenthood hardly provides any abortion services at all. That's simply false.



It's also false that the government funds most of Planned Parenthood. And 100% of government funds are not allowed to be used for abortion. Never. Taxpayer dollars have never paid for even one abortion, be it at Planned Parenthood or elsewhere, since the Hyde Amendment was passed.


Oh..... .only 200,000 to 300,000 abortions a year... roughly..not bad

Riot 09-15-2012 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lord007 (Post 890128)
Oh..... .only 200,000 to 300,000 abortions a year... roughly..not bad

Oh - you are against women saving their lives?

Clip-Clop 09-17-2012 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by lord007 (Post 890128)
Oh..... .only 200,000 to 300,000 abortions a year... roughly..not bad

and how many were in minority communities? I am going with a lot.

Coach Pants 09-17-2012 11:12 AM

why are like 70%+ abortion clinics are in the hood?

Cause they plan on there being no parents in the hood, son. :D

dellinger63 09-17-2012 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 890586)
why are like 70%+ abortion clinics are in the hood?

Cause they plan on there being no parents in the hood, son. :D


Case closed!

Riot 09-17-2012 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 890585)
and how many were in minority communities? I am going with a lot.

You would be completely wrong.

In the United States, in 2006, 57.8% of abortions were white, 33.9% black, and the rest other minorities.

Oh, the facts. They ruin good conspiracy theories.

http://www.abortionfacts.com/statistics/race.asp

Coach Pants 09-17-2012 11:31 AM

That's a lot when compared to overall population. So really we're in a Riot Semantics Zone.

And that's about all the f.ucks I give on the subject. Have fun?

Riot 09-17-2012 11:42 AM

States where white abortions outnumber black/minority abortions, and the percentage of abortions that are white:

Notice how many are "red states", which are also those that get the greatest government aid for the poor via Medicaid, food stamps, welfare. As is obvious, abortion is associated with poverty.

Greater income and healthcare = less abortion. Which is why, for those of us who do not encourage abortion, organizations like Planned Parenthood, the majority of whose services are providing birth control (abortion prevention) and womens' health prevention services, are so important.

Percentage of abortions that are white, by state:

Alabama 52.2%
Arizona 76.8
Arkansas 64.0
Idaho 94.8
Indiana 71.7
Kansas 77.3
Kentucky 76.7
Maine 93.9
Minnesota 77.1
Missouri 53.2
Montana 87.6
Nevada 82.3
New Mexico 87.7
North Carolina 53.6
North Dakota 89.0
Ohio 62.2
Oregon 87.1
Pennsylvania 59.1
Rhode Island 79.4
South Carolina 52.7
South Dakota 86.7
Tennessee 59.3
Texas 71.2
Utah 83.8
Vermont 97.7
Virginia 57.3
West Virginia 86.6
Wisconsin 74.9

Riot 09-17-2012 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 890592)
That's a lot when compared to overall population. So really we're in a Riot Semantics Zone.

And that's about all the f.ucks I give on the subject. Have fun?

Abortion is poverty and lack-of-healthcare/prevention of pregnancy associated.

Clip-Clop 09-17-2012 01:25 PM

http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comp...ind=468&cat=10

abortions
52%white-40%black-7%other

http://facts.kff.org/chart.aspx?ch=364

population
64%white-12%black-remainder is other

there you have it. staggering math when you think about it and proves the coach's point.

Riot 09-17-2012 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 890616)
http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comp...ind=468&cat=10

abortions
52%white-40%black-7%other

http://facts.kff.org/chart.aspx?ch=364

population
64%white-12%black-remainder is other

there you have it. staggering math when you think about it and proves the coach's point.

So, you're going with, "abortion is a racist plot to eliminate the black man"? And seriously, correct me if I"m wrong about your point.

You just prove the point that abortion is poverty and healthcare-access-restricted associated, however If your point is that abortion is a deliberate target to kill minorities, please, provide some tiny bit of proof (because if so, someone has to tell the Republican Party that their anti-abortion stance is enlarging the non-white demographic and working against enlarging their party base)

joeydb 09-18-2012 07:02 AM

All life is precious, and all babies are innocent and thus should not be executed. The racial angle on this is really disgusting.

Oppose abortion because it is wrong, as is all killing of innocent people.

Riot 09-18-2012 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 890717)
All life is precious, and all babies are innocent and thus should not be executed. The racial angle on this is really disgusting.

Oppose abortion because it is wrong, as is all killing of innocent people.

If you oppose abortion in 100% of instances, you are in favor of forced government childbirth. The government literally forcing women to bear unwanted children? Yeah, how is that good, Joey?

How in the world is that not inhibiting the freedom of Americans for the government to force childbirth on women who were raped!

Discussing forcing American (supposedly free) women to bear the children of their rapist, or to continue a pregnancy when their life is in danger, is beyond the pale - might as well live in China.

Geeshus, cripes!

There's a middle ground, and it's line is right at the inalienable right of personal freedom of a woman to control her own body. The line where the government controls my body ends at my skin - the government cannot force me to donate a kidney, they cannot force me to have plastic surgery, they cannot force me to bear a baby.

Government-forced childbirth should be fought by every person who believes in America and personal freedom.

Abortion is legal. If you want to decrease abortion, you must support organizations like Planned Parenthood, who provide accessible and affordable education, birth control, women's healthcare decisions. This lowers the incidence of elective abortion due to unwanted pregnancy and everyone knows it.

dellinger63 09-18-2012 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 890616)
http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comp...ind=468&cat=10

abortions
52%white-40%black-7%other

http://facts.kff.org/chart.aspx?ch=364

population
64%white-12%black-remainder is other

there you have it. staggering math when you think about it and proves the coach's point.

Mmm 12% of the population accounting for 40% of abortions? It obviously has nothing to do with race!

Riot 09-18-2012 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 890804)
Mmm 12% of the population accounting for 40% of abortions? It obviously has nothing to do with race!

Why do you jump to the completely unevidenced assumption those numbers have to do with race, and not poverty or place of residence and access to medical?

What evidence do you have that abortion is racially-based purposeful extermination? And if so, how do you account for the fact that the vast majority of abortions in this country are white people, not blacks, not other minorities?

Like Joey said ... disgusting.

Oh - and 12% of the population only accounts for about 34% of abortions.

Clip-Clop 09-18-2012 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 890805)
Why do you jump to the completely unevidenced assumption those numbers have to do with race, and not poverty or place of residence and access to medical?

What evidence do you have that abortion is racially-based purposeful extermination? Like Joey said ... disgusting.

Oh - and 12% of the population only accounts for about 34% of abortions.

Kaiser data is flawed? Why would they make it up?

Riot 09-18-2012 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 890807)
Kaiser data is flawed? Why would they make it up?

Why are you ignoring the data I posted? You saying it is flawed?

And, again, I'll repeat the question to you, that you have yet to answer: are you taking the position that there is a deliberate racial extermination of unborn children going on? Yes or no? Who is perpetuating this? And if so, why are the vast majority of abortions in this country performed on white women?

Clip-Clop 09-18-2012 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 890809)
Why are you ignoring the data I posted? You saying it is flawed?

And, again, I'll repeat the question to you, that you have yet to answer: are you taking the position that there is a deliberate racial extermination of unborn children going on? Yes or no? Who is perpetuating this? And if so, why are the vast majority of abortions in this country performed on white women?

I am saying a link to a respected medical data research company is likely to have the accurate statistics vs. your uncredited charts.
I am taking that position, yes and believe it has been going on since the early 70's. Who is behind it? Same people behind everything else is my guess.
The "vast majority" of abortions in this country are performed on white women in this country because that is what there are the most of. Math does not lie, that understanding is what separates real conservatives from liberals. Numbers are simple and honest.

Riot 09-18-2012 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 890815)
I am saying a link to a respected medical data research company is likely to have the accurate statistics vs. your uncredited charts.

Excuse me, my charts are not uncredited, the link and source, very well respected, is provided. How dare you diss info out of hand, in ignorance, info you clearly haven't even bother to click on.

Are you not to be trusted to debate honestly?

And, again: why do you blame abortion incidences on an unproven association with race, and not the proven association with poverty? Are all the medical ethicists and statisticians just ignoring your find?

Quote:

I am taking that position, yes and believe it has been going on since the early 70's. Who is behind it? Same people behind everything else is my guess.
Who is that? Who are the people who have been deliberately exterminating unborn black babies since the 1970's, even though white babies are the most aborted?

And why would the rabidly anti-abortion party be white, and the pro-abortion party be composed of whites, blacks and minorites? That's pretty weird, huh? Kind of opposite of what you claim?

Quote:

Math does not lie, that understanding is what separates real conservatives from liberals. Numbers are simple and honest.
Yes, indeed - understanding math, reality and science is indeed what separates many current conservatives from everybody else in the world :D As Rick Santorum said so well just the other day, "We'll never have the smart people with us"

Clip-Clop 09-18-2012 04:32 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/african-americ...-election.html

Riot 09-18-2012 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 890824)

:zz: You segue into something entirely different, and post an entirely unrelated-to-the discussion article?

Ah, you are strange :) That's also called, "a red herring". Enjoy :-) Vote for your guy Romney. I hope he overturns the decades-long conspiracy to murder black babies in the womb. Even if doing that will assist the changing demographics that are eliminating the GOP from existence. Weird, huh?

Clip-Clop 09-18-2012 04:39 PM

"And why would the rabidly anti-abortion party be white"

Riot 09-18-2012 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 890828)
"And why would the rabidly anti-abortion party be white"

So .. Republicans are behind the support of Planned Parenthood as the racist baby-murderers?

Your conspiracy theory is so confusing. Kind of Alice-In-Wonderland opposite that doesn't make sense. But I guess logic isn't important to conspiracy theories.

dellinger63 09-19-2012 11:15 AM

A look behind the numbers shows PP to be VERY EFFICIENT!

With only 3% of total annual budget ($1.1 billion) going to abortions and completing betweeen 200K-300K proceedures per year their cost per abortion is between $110 and $165 dollars!

Maybe they could branch off into heart medicine?

Riot 09-19-2012 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 890931)
A look behind the numbers shows PP to be VERY EFFICIENT!

With only 3% of total annual budget ($1.1 billion) going to abortions and completing betweeen 200K-300K proceedures per year their cost per abortion is between $110 and $165 dollars!

Maybe they could branch off into heart medicine?

You've misread the chart. Your statement is baloney. It's 3% of total services provided involve abortion, and that is not by definition 3% of the budget.

So, let's recap the facts:

Is Planned Parenthood a massive abortion provider? No. Less than 3% of it's services involve abortion, the vast majority of Planned Parenthood services are abortion prevention You know - like the name! "Planned" babies! So Planned Parenthood's major services decrease abortions by preventing pregnancy.

Is Planned Parenthood funded only by US government tax dollars? No - only a small extent.

Do US tax dollars fund abortions? No. That's illegal. US tax dollars have not funded one abortion since the Hyde Amendment, and they don't fund any abortions at Planned Parenthood.

The majority of people getting abortions at Planned Parenthood? They are white

Clip-Clop 09-19-2012 01:47 PM

yet 40% of abortions are performed on blacks. Of course (once again) the majority of abortions are being performed on white women, there are more of them.

Riot 09-19-2012 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 890974)
yet 40% of abortions are performed on blacks. Of course (once again) the majority of abortions are being performed on white women, there are more of them.

Yes, too many unborn black babies are being killed and prevented from being born, say the most conservative, blindingly white, ultra-right wing types that don't embrace minorities.

A good conspiracy theory doesn't have to make any sense whatsoever :D

Clip-Clop 09-19-2012 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 890983)
Yes, too many unborn black babies are being killed and prevented from being born, say the most conservative, blindingly white, ultra-right wing types that don't embrace minorities.

A good conspiracy theory doesn't have to make any sense whatsoever :D

I am pro-abortion in almost every case of pregnancy, the majority of people are unfit to be parents.
I am also less than white and an atheist. But should be obvious that the plan has been to prevent inner-city black babies from being born as a long time ago they were determined by the powers that be to be a drain on society. I was born and raised in this kind of neighborhood and have championed women who made a decision to not have an unwanted child, no matter what the reason. Abortion was made readily available for this reason, that is what I believe, you make up your own story.

Riot 09-19-2012 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 890988)
I am pro-abortion in almost every case of pregnancy, the majority of people are unfit to be parents.
I am also less than white and an atheist. But should be obvious that the plan has been to prevent inner-city black babies from being born as a long time ago they were determined by the powers that be to be a drain on society. I was born and raised in this kind of neighborhood and have championed women who made a decision to not have an unwanted child, no matter what the reason. Abortion was made readily available for this reason, that is what I believe, you make up your own story.

Abortion was made legal in every state in 1973 to kill inner city unborn black babies. Yes. That's your opinion. Got it.

Um ... now that you've restated it multiple times, do you have any proof to support your opinion? Or is it just your "belief"?


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