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Riot 08-19-2012 03:03 PM

Republican Senate Nominee:"Victims Of ‘Legitimate Rape’ Don’t Get Pregnant"
 
This is why we need to strengthen, not weaken, our national support of good education for everybody.

I hope this how-sex-works uneducated fool doesn't have daughters he discusses sex with.

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TPM2012

Republican Senate Nominee:"Victims Of ‘Legitimate Rape’ Don’t Get Pregnant"

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...imate-rape.php


Danzig 08-19-2012 03:19 PM

googled due to the thread title. this was the first on the page to come up.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...imate-rape.php

if it's the same as what riot posted, my apologies.

“If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

the more times i read that line from the article, the angrier i get. apparently if a woman (according to this creature) gets pregnant, i guess it wasn't a legitimate rape. i am absolutely stunned and sickened by his comments.

bigrun 08-19-2012 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 884744)
googled due to the thread title. this was the first on the page to come up.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...imate-rape.php

if it's the same as what riot posted, my apologies.

“If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

the more times i read that line from the article, the angrier i get. apparently if a woman (according to this creature) gets pregnant, i guess it wasn't a legitimate rape. i am absolutely stunned and sickened by his comments.


Same link...didn't read the complete article but sure your comment is shared by most..guys an idiot..

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In a tweet, McCaskill said she was “stunned” by Akin’s comments

Danzig 08-19-2012 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 884753)
Same link...didn't read the complete article but sure your comment is shared by most..guys an idiot..


i guess some are correct, there is no such thing as evolution. if there was, we'd be beyond discussions like these by now!! i really can't think of language that would do justice to the feelings i have right now regarding this person and his comments.

Danzig 08-19-2012 04:19 PM

scary:

The PollTracker Average shows Akin leading McCaskill by a margin of 49.7 percent to 41.3 percent.

After the interview caused a firestorm, Akin said in a statement that he “misspoke.”

yeah, sure you did. sure you did.

bigrun 08-19-2012 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 884763)
scary:

The PollTracker Average shows Akin leading McCaskill by a margin of 49.7 percent to 41.3 percent.

After the interview caused a firestorm, Akin said in a statement that he “misspoke.”

yeah, sure you did. sure you did.


The easy out..damage control...


Danzig 08-19-2012 07:31 PM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddis...-get-pregnant/

Every political season I think I’ve heard just about everything–every bit of contrived nonsense, smarmy half-truths and blatant lies that anyone could come up with. And then along comes someone like Republican Senate Nominee Todd Akin with a statement that isn’t only stunning in its ignorance, but sinks the level of debate so far into the mud that it’s frankly beyond belief.

In an interview (shown in full here) about his position on abortion, Rep. Todd Akin, the Republican nominee for Senate in Missouri who is running against Sen. Claire McCaskill, justified his opposition to abortion rights even in case of rape with a claim that victims of “legitimate rape” have unnamed biological defenses that prevent pregnancy.

Quoting Akin:

““First of all, from what I understand from doctors [pregnancy from rape] is really rare…If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”




and this, from ap...akin's 'clarification'. or not...

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d28...ea0b04b3de41ba


Akin said in an emailed statement later Sunday that he "misspoke" during the interview, though the statement did not say specifically which points.

"In reviewing my off-the-cuff remarks, it's clear that I misspoke in this interview and it does not reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year," Akin's statement said. "Those who perpetrate these crimes are the lowest of the low in our society and their victims will have no stronger advocate in the Senate to help ensure they have the justice they deserve."Akin also said in the statement he believes "deeply in the protection of all life and I do not believe that harming another innocent victim is the right course of action."

i call bullsh!t, and this is why:

Federal law prevents federal Medicaid funds and similar programs from paying for abortions. Yet the law also contains an exception for women who are raped. The bill Akin and Ryan (yes, that ryan...romney's choice for vp) cosponsored would have narrowed this exception, providing that only pregnancies arising from “forcible rape” may be terminated. Because the primary target of Akin and Ryan’s effort are Medicaid recipients — patients who are unlikely to be able to afford an abortion absent Medicaid funding — the likely impact of this bill would have been forcing many rape survivors to carry their rapist’s baby to term. Michelle Goldberg explains who Akin and Ryan would likely target:

Under H.R. 3, only victims of “forcible rape” would qualify for federally funded abortions. Victims of statutory rape—say, a 13-year-old girl impregnated by a 30-year-old man—would be on their own. So would victims of incest if they’re over 18. And while “forcible rape” isn’t defined in the criminal code, the addition of the adjective seems certain to exclude acts of rape that don’t involve overt violence—say, cases where a woman is drugged or has a limited mental capacity. “It’s basically putting more restrictions on what was defined historically as rape,” says Keenan.

Although a version of this bill passed the GOP-controlled House, the “forcible rape” language was eventually removed due to widespread public outcry. Paul Ryan, however, believes that the “forcible rape” language does not actually go far enough to force women to carry their rapist’s baby. Ryan believes that abortion should be illegal in all cases except for “cases in which a doctor deems an abortion necessary to save the mother’s life.” So rape survivors are out of luck

Danzig 08-19-2012 07:41 PM

and lookie what i found here. what a prick!!

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...eless-children


Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.) voted against the creation of a national sex offender registry and against reauthorizing a program that assists runaway and homeless children.

Both bills passed by wide margins with strong bipartisan support in the Republican-controlled House.


Akin was one of 52 congressmen to vote in 2005 against the creation of a national sex offender registry database that required those convicted of a sex crime to register before completing a prison term and increased mandatory sentences for those convicted of molesting children.

jms62 08-20-2012 06:29 AM

Also And he sits on the House Science, Space and Technology Committee:zz:

Danzig 08-20-2012 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 884836)
Also And he sits on the House Science, Space and Technology Committee:zz:

well, that way he can try to force schools to teach 'both theories'. you know, because creationism/intelligent design is a scientific theory, easily testible with mounds of data. :rolleyes:

Danzig 08-20-2012 09:02 AM

incorrect info

GenuineRisk 08-20-2012 09:08 AM

Ryan and Akin are much more morally consistent than politicians who oppose abortion except in the cases of rape and incest. Opposing legal abortion except in cases of rape and incest means that the pregnancy is intended to punish a woman for having consensual sex. Which says some pretty awful things about how that person views pregnancy, childbirth and babies.

On some level, though, Akin knows it's a pretty awful position to hold, ergo his attempt to justify it by saying, well, raped women don't get pregnant anyway. Can you imagine a rapist using that as as defense? Well, your Honor, she got pregnant, so clearly she was asking for it. Not to mention a rapist then extending a paternity claim and demanding visitation rights as a way to keep himself in a woman's life, regardless of how she feels about it.

Pennsylvania Congressman Freind claimed something similar about rape and pregnancy, back in the 1980's. I think he claimed women secreted some kind of mysterious substance during rape that stopped them from getting pregnant.

But this is very consistent with the GOPs policy agenda regarding women's rights since 2010- limit abortion, reduce access to affordable contraception (and of course, it's the hormonal contraceptives and the IUD they object to, which, purely coincidentally I'm sure, are the forms of contraception women can go on without their partners having any say about or even knowledge of.

It's really not surprising at all if one's been following legislation passed at the state levels since 2010.

GenuineRisk 08-20-2012 09:18 AM

Here's a heartwarming story about where no abortion except in cases where the doctors believe the woman's (or girl's, in this case) life is in danger leads:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/18/world/...ion/index.html

Antitrust32 08-20-2012 09:28 AM

from Akin to Ann Romney's comments about equal pay for women... this entire thread makes me want to puke

Antitrust32 08-20-2012 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 884859)
my oh my. in reading an article on yahoo about akin, i saw mention by a commenter about an ann romney comment regarding unequal pay, and that she supports it. i had missed that one, so i googled it-and wow! here for your reading pleasure:

At a meeting with the “Moms For Mitt” group yesterday outside Philadelphia, PA, Ann Romney was asked her opinion on Lilly Ledbetter and equal pay for equal work regarding women’s employment. Without hesitation she responded with another question that seemed to shock even the most staunch conservatives in the room.

“Why should women be paid equal to men? Men have been in the working world a lot longer and deserve to be paid at a higher rate. Heck, I’m a working mom and I’m not paid a dime. I depend on my husband to provide for me and my family, as should most women… and if a woman does work, she should be happy just to be out there in the working world and quit complaining that she’s not making as much as her male counterparts. I mean really, all this wanting to be equal nonsense is going to be detrimental to the future of women everywhere. Who’s going to want to hire a woman, or for that matter, even marry a woman who thinks she is the same, if not better than a man at any job.:rolleyes: It’s almost laughable. C’mon now ladies, are you with me on this?”


how did i miss this before?!?!



http://www.snopes.com/politics/romney/momsformitt.asp


Thankfully Zig, this quote is about as false as they come. Thankfully.... because it made me think, no wonder ROmney puts his dog on the hood of the car because he's got the leash on his woman.

Clip-Clop 08-20-2012 09:41 AM

Akin needs to resign, today.

Ann Romney is smarter than that, c'mon 'Zig.

Danzig 08-20-2012 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 884863)
Here's a heartwarming story about where no abortion except in cases where the doctors believe the woman's (or girl's, in this case) life is in danger leads:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/18/world/...ion/index.html

that's awful, just awful. and yeah, i can see that happening here. like i read/heard somewhere else, republicans don't think they should be interfering with the big banks on wall street, but they sure want to interfere in a woman's private life.

Danzig 08-20-2012 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 884875)
Akin needs to resign, today.

Ann Romney is smarter than that, c'mon 'Zig.

i didn't realize it was a spoof, guess that's why i didn't hear about it before. mea culpa

Riot 08-20-2012 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 884861)
But this is very consistent with the GOPs policy agenda regarding women's rights since 2010- limit abortion, reduce access to affordable contraception (and of course, it's the hormonal contraceptives and the IUD they object to, which, purely coincidentally I'm sure, are the forms of contraception women can go on without their partners having any say about or even knowledge of.

It's really not surprising at all if one's been following legislation passed at the state levels since 2010.

It is a very strong representation of what the current GOP stands for. Ryan believes life begins at conception and some forms of birth control are abortion. Ridiculous. All we need to do is include male masturbation as part of "killing future life" and their absurdity will be complete.

The GOP is voting on their abortion party platform tomorrow, very strict, very anti-woman. This is 2012 - the GOP needs to get their big government out of the vaginas of American women, period. This is not the damn Puritan era where a bunch of old white men decide what women can and cannot do.

And don't forget Missouri has alread elected this lunatic Atkin to Congress five times. Many in MO second district are just fine with his complete lack of science education and knowing how sex works - and trying to legislate his ignorance into being for everyone to suffer from.

Thepaindispenser 08-20-2012 04:39 PM

Riot it is one thing to be pro choice but when in your twisted mind does life begin?

Thepaindispenser 08-20-2012 04:40 PM

Danzig, I cant believe you fell for the Ann Romney hoax, I would expect a post like that from Riot,but not from you.

Riot 08-20-2012 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 884875)
Akin needs to resign, today.

.

Interesting thing about the Akin resignation, he has to do it by end of business Tuesday or he's still on the ballot no matter what.

Akin represents most of the current GOP thinking. Remember the entire GOP, lead by Paul Ryan, tried to redefine "rape" into "forceable rape" just last year.

You know, it's not rape unless she has the crap beat out of her at the same time.

Crazy, idiotic douchebags, these pretend "men". Every one of them needs to get the hell out of our women's sex lives and personal healthcare. They are like Ayatollahs trying to force their religious views on their fellow Americans.

Clip-Clop 08-20-2012 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 884995)
Interesting thing about the Akin resignation, he has to do it by end of business Tuesday or he's still on the ballot no matter what.

Akin represents most of the current GOP thinking. Remember the entire GOP, lead by Paul Ryan, tried to redefine "rape" into "forceable rape" just last year.

You know, it's not rape unless she has the crap beat out of her at the same time.

Crazy, idiotic douchebags, these pretend "men". Every one of them needs to get the hell out of our women's sex lives and personal healthcare. They are like Ayatollahs trying to force their religious views on their fellow Americans.

That is why I said today.

The bill isn't exactly worded like that.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...-112hr3pcs.pdf

Riot 08-20-2012 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 885004)
That is why I said today.

The bill isn't exactly worded like that.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...-112hr3pcs.pdf

Ah, yes, House Bill 3 - because the most important thing that new 2010 House had to do wasn't jobs, wasn't the economy, it was trying to dictate what rape is "real" and what rape is, you know, "she was probably asking for it".

What a massive, utter fail this elected House has been. A historical failure.

The thought that, in 2012, male American elected officials - in an alleged democratic republic - are actively trying to legislate, to dictate American women's reproductive lives and control their procreation is completely astounding to me.

That people - voters - support them is even more astounding.

Clip-Clop 08-20-2012 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 885006)
Ah, yes, House Bill 3 - because the most important thing that new 2010 House had to do wasn't jobs, wasn't the economy, it was trying to dictate what rape is "real" and what rape is, you know, "she was probably asking for it".

What a massive, utter fail this elected House has been. A historical failure.

The thought that, in 2012, male American elected officials - in an alleged democratic republic - are actively trying to legislate, to dictate American women's reproductive lives and control their procreation is completely astounding to me.

That people - voters - support them is even more astounding.

Not really what is written in there, just says I don't need to pay for it.

Riot 08-20-2012 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 885014)
Not really what is written in there, just says I don't need to pay for it.

No. There has already long been a federal act that no taxpayer dollars are used for abortion. They never have been, never will.

House Bill 3 was a deliberate attempt to infringe further upon American women's rights, based upon the religious views and zealotry of a few elected officials.

Over 40 bills have been passed in this current House regarding women's rights to procreation, trying to curtail them. Americans in certain Congressional districts elected a bunch of theocratic autocratic dictators to our House of Representatives.

That's absurd, and un-American, and I can't believe people try to justify this appalling assault on our American freedom and rights.

Riot 08-20-2012 07:01 PM

Reminder: Adkins has to get off the ticket by end of business Tuesday, or his name is still listed on the ballot no matter what (even if he bails out later).

He was double digits ahead of the Democrat before he said this.

This is exactly why current Dem Senator Clare McCaskill used her superPac money to run ads in favor of this guy getting the GOP nomination in the primary.

Clever, that woman - knew she'd be running against a loon if he won the primary. He won, he's revealed himself as crazy, and now the GOP is seeing their chance of winning that senate seat fading away.

G.O.P. Trying to Oust Akin From Race for Rape Remarks
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/us...pagewanted=all

Ocala Mike 08-20-2012 09:00 PM

So I guess this means that Akin won't be speaking at the GOP convention in Tampa next week?

:rolleyes:

Riot 08-20-2012 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ocala Mike (Post 885094)
So I guess this means that Akin won't be speaking at the GOP convention in Tampa next week?

:rolleyes:

LOL :D

Adkin has doubled down and said he will not pull out of the race.

I'm waiting to see if the GOP can force him to change his mind tomorrow via some coercion.
Edit: Mondy night, the RNC has pulled all funding from Akin for his senate race

But, if the GOP does get him off the ballot, they can't just put anybody else on. Maybe, legally, the second-place finisher in the GOP primary, if they can get Adkin to drop out before close of business tomorrow? Not sure about that, but must be true. Because otherwise they would be left with an empty slot next to "Republican for Senate" on the ballot.

Thepaindispenser 08-20-2012 09:39 PM

The Republicans are getting rid of him just like the Democrats did when Barney Frank's prostitute boyfriend was running a whore house out of Frank's home, oh wait a minute.....

Riot 08-20-2012 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser (Post 885103)
The Republicans are getting rid of him just like the Democrats did when Barney Frank's prostitute boyfriend was running a whore house out of Frank's home, oh wait a minute.....

You know if someone gay touches you, it rubs off! :eek:

Thepaindispenser 08-20-2012 09:51 PM

What is the implication Riot? I am for gay marriage, unlike you, I form my own opinions. I have yet to see you disagree with one policy of Obama's and you defend him against every criticismon this board. Did you suddenly evolve on gay marriage when Obama did? What a coincidence!!!

Riot 08-20-2012 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser (Post 885106)
What is the implication Riot?

That, based upon your nasty comment about Barney Frank, you are a bigoted gay hater.

Honu 08-20-2012 10:19 PM

I wish Barney Frank wasn't gay he makes the rest of us homo's seem like jackwagons.

Riot 08-20-2012 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honu (Post 885113)
I wish Barney Frank wasn't gay he makes the rest of us homo's seem like jackwagons.

Not to people that don't judge people by silliness like, "Oh, Barney Frank is gay and I can't stand him, and that other entirely different person is gay, so the other entirely different person must be as bad as Barney Frank"

Because, you know, that's the very definition of bigotry. Just sayin' ;)

"Oh, Barney Frank is Methodist and I can't stand him, and that other entirely different person is Methodist, so the other entirely different person must be as bad as Barney Frank"

BTW, Barney Frank married the boyfriend a few weeks back. Because in some states, fortunately, it's legal for two people who love each other to get married.

This country is so filled with hate. Very sad. Thought we had left most of it 50 years behind. Naw. The election of Obama sure revealed it's alive, well and thriving.

Riot 08-20-2012 10:36 PM

Gawd, I love politics in election years, in the age of the internet!
 
Quote:

MIA: AKIN BAILS ON PIERS
Morgan: 'Gutless Little Twerp'... DEFIANT: Akin Refuses To Drop Out



PRESSURE BUILDS... GOP Chairman: He Should Quit, Skip Convention...
Conservative Mag: Time To Give Up...
Romney (One Day Later): 'Insulting, Inexcusable'...
Senate Race Jolted... Akin Was Leading...
Dear Mr. Akin: A Letter From A Rape Survivor

http://www.huffingtonpost.com

Honu 08-20-2012 10:48 PM

Maybe I just don't feel victimized enough.

Riot 08-20-2012 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honu (Post 885118)
Maybe I just don't feel victimized enough.

You shouldn't. That's my point.

Thepaindispenser 08-21-2012 07:04 AM

Barney Frank's prostitute boyfriend runs a brothel out of Frank's home and Frank suffers no consequences and I am a bigoted, gay hater for telling the truth about something??? Hahahahaha, even though I am pro-gay marriage, hahahahaha. Riot it looks like you getting destroyed on this board is taking a toll on your sanity, I can only imagine what will happen when Obama loses in November.

Riot you didn't answer my question from before, did you suddenly evolve on gay marriage when Obama did several months ago? Was Obama a bigoted, gay hater until he evolved?

Coach Pants 08-21-2012 07:19 AM

Only Riot would know the goings on at CNN. I guess they count her as 1000 viewers.

This whole mess is extremely convenient when you take the rose colored glasses off.

A chicken hawk Christian fundamentalist who latched onto the tea party after the fact and is a contradiction to the core values of the ORIGINAL party. AND he has until this afternoon to quit. I mean Hollywood couldn't make s.hit like this up.

F.uck you, liberal useless media. And **** you RINO scumbags and militant liberals who have infiltrated this party and bunched every tea party member into the same group as Al Qaeda.

And fu.ck every American who doesn't see through it. May you all be put in FEMA camps with the rest of us, you ignorant scum.


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