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Flow chart we can agree on
You probably have seen this one but thought it was a good time to drag it out..
Right or left, it doesn't matter. It is really only up or down in politics.  When top level people look down, they see only shiitheads; When the bottom level people look up, they see only assholes. You will Never see another Flow Chart that describes politics so clearly. |
Sad there should be another tier added to the bottom consisting of American taxpayers. I suppose at least the freeloaders can be given credit for taking and not contributing to such a crappy system. ;)
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The illegals and deadbeats have ultimate lives here in America. Free of taxes and free to stay. :zz: |
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Obama has deported more illegal immigrants to date than Bush did his entire term. |
Please, no facts here....just opinions...:)
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All those American citizen business owners you describe, that are breaking the law in several ways (illegal hiring, tax evasion), need to be punished - no? We can't blame illegals entirely when folks like you enable them to stay here by you deliberately breaking the law and committing tax evasion in their hiring. |
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I lump you in with "folks deliberately breaking the law", because you did. |
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Dense. So once again it is the enforcement of the laws that already exist that is the issue, not the laws themselves. If only we could use the rules that have been created to stamp out these criminals, all criminals for that matter. When did I break the law? Never hired anyone illegally. Read things how you wish and comment away just like always. |
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If employers, American citizens, choose deliberately to break the law, if they are so disrespectful of our laws, they are already subject to punishment. What punishment, over and above the current, do you think that punishment should be raised to, to prevent American employers from choosing to break the law? You and your boss are clearly not afraid of breaking the current laws - what would make you so afraid you'd stop your payroll tax evasion and law breaking in hiring? You say that is what should stop you - so, what would stop you? Quote:
You pay those people cash without checking their alien status? Aside from your deliberate payroll tax evasion that hurts me, personally, and my fellow citizens, by denying our treasury income, because you are a tax cheat, you are enabling illegals to work here. You can try to slide out of that however you want, but employers such as you and your boss - who hire outside our law and pay cash - are a major reason illegal aliens (those without faked social security numbers) get employment in America and can stay here. And you saying you do it because the laws that punish you don't scare you enough to make you stop is beyond absurd. |
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Are illegals going to be required to obtain health insurance? Or are we going to treat them status quo? You know thru the ER.
BTW Legals who are being paid under the table to avoid having beni's cancelled are worse than illegals doing the same IMO. |
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and, again, a recent study said the 'er' thing is hogwash anyway. but facts can be pesky things. and anyone being paid cash is doing a wrong, not any worse or better regardless of status. |
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People being paid in cash to avoid taxes and still receive unemployment, food stamps, SSI etc. are stealing twice. Get it now? Since illegals aren't allowed to participate in the exchanges are they still able to send their illegal children to public school? And who pays for that? |
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i understand exactly why people get paid cash, so you can hold the condescension. in my opinion, it's the payer, not the receiver, who is most at fault. he makes out, as he hasn't got to pay matching ss, workers comp, etc, etc, etc. the employer is the one actually committing the crime. a worker paid in cash is getting no favors done for himself. it's when he doesn't claim his income that he then breaks a rule. you can't claim unemployment when there's no employment on record. and when he retires, he's in for a shock. and i'd wager that the vast majority of people on assistance aren't working on the side, whether for cash or any other reason. as for illegals and their children, i don't know what the actual numbers of illegal families are in country. seems that most migrant workers come alone, leaving families behind in their native country. but yes, kids who attend class would be part of what the state uses to decide funding to each school. |
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Your boss broke multiple laws here, and you know it. And people like your boss breaking those laws, in the manner he did, enables illegal aliens who do not have fake social security numbers to work in the United States. He is part of the problem of "illegals". A big part. He's also a tax evader that hurts you, me, and everyone else. And he enables his employees to tax-evade, too. Stop whining and screaming about it and trying to blame me for pointing out the reality of a situation YOU posted about. |
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Illegals paid under the table can't get "beni's". Are you really so ignorant you don't know how government programs you constantly rail against work? |
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Illegals without faked SS numbers, who are hired in situations like Clip Clops boss who doesn't bother to check status and just pays cash, have us paying for it. Illegals of both stripes still pay local taxes when they buy groceries, etc. And Clip Clop's boss is taking money out of our school systems (and all publicly-funded programs, including our military) in two ways: the taxes he should be paying on his employees, and the taxes his non-paying cash employees should be paying. And that doesn't matter if his employees are illegal or not. It's still deliberate tax evasion. |
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I hire college graduates. All citizens and tax payers. I have worked in the industries I referenced earlier that are heavily populated by illegal day workers and have seen, and handed cash to illegal workers. I have no boss. I own my companies and do not practice this crime. That said. Try working in a kitchen and going to the owner of the restaurant and telling him that he is a criminal for hiring illegals to work the line. See if you get to keep your job. Then tell him you will report him to the authorities fully aware of the fact that nothing at all will happen from this reporting. Do that while working in an Italian restaurant in NJ when you are 17 years old (and on the books) and let me know how that works out for you. Or choose a concrete company in the same location, same scenario but now you are 19. Or a landscaping company whose owner you know very well and has just given you your first management position at 21. Your arguments are never based in any kind of reality. |
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That you follow the law now, with your own companies, where your former boss did not, is a good thing. |
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The American citizen bosses who choose to deliberately break the law, and hire illegals who do not have faked ID (which protects a boss who checks according to the law), are the only reason those illegals are able to work in the US. You defending such lawbreaking Americans is absurd. |
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"Absolutely, please suggest a punishment for those people. I would suggest something severe enough that they will hire Americans to do those jobs instead." I am defending my decision to not report the people I worked for to an authority I knew would do nothing about it. That is what I said, you chose not to answer my question (as per usual) and ignore (or fail to comprehend) the comment. |
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I asked you, posts ago, what punishment you think should be enacted, over and above what currently exists in the law, to prevent that, to intimidate men like your boss to not do it, to intimidate people like you with direct knowledge to report lawbreakers like them. You failed to answer. BTW, your assumption nothing would be done to tax cheats and illegal hiring is beyond absurd and with zero merit. It's pursued whenever it's found. People like you enable it by not reporting it. I understand you are in fear of your job. That's why there are whistleblower laws to protect you. You made your choice not to report it. Fine. But don't you dare only blame illegal aliens for working in the US, while excusing the American citizen bosses and employees that enable it while screwing the rest of us out of tax money our states and country is entitled to. |
I still wonder how incapable our INS must be?
For Allah's sake those Iranians were able to detect two little women crossing over the second it happened. Just ask Al Gore. What's the INS budget per year? Or better that n Obama terms over ten years? |
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Southern border crossing has decreased due to the economy here.
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A simple solution to put a stop to hiring illegals..
IRS agents raid a couple headquarter buildings of large companies, at night. Scoop up all the illegals, they will be the ones with mops and brooms.. Front page news and scares the schit out of other law breakers.. Then for good measure, arrest a couple blonde housewifes in Texas (no disrespect for any here) that are using Juan's family to mow the grass and clean house and throw their asses in jail. Huge fines for all law breakers..Problem solved..:) |
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and, as i've said before when people want to know why illegal immigration isn't halted-'follow the money'...check out this story:
http://news.yahoo.com/immigrants-pro...084353195.html MIAMI (AP) — The U.S. is locking up more illegal immigrants than ever, generating lucrative profits for the nation's largest prison companies, and an Associated Press review shows the businesses have spent tens of millions of dollars lobbying lawmakers and contributing to campaigns. The cost to American taxpayers is on track to top $2 billion for this year, and the companies are expecting their biggest cut of that yet in the next few years thanks to government plans for new facilities to house the 400,000 immigrants detained annually. After a decade of expansion, the sprawling, private system runs detention centers everywhere from a Denver suburb to an industrial area flanking Newark's airport, and is largely controlled by just three companies. The growth is far from over, despite the sheer drop in illegal immigration in recent years. This seismic shift toward a privatized system happened quietly. While Congress' unsuccessful efforts to overhaul immigration laws drew headlines and sparked massive demonstrations, lawmakers' negotiations to boost detention dollars received far less attention. The industry's giants — Corrections Corporation of America, The GEO Group, and Management and Training Corp. — have spent at least $45 million combined on campaign donations and lobbyists at the state and federal level in the last decade, the AP found. |
so, when you want to know why the fed doesn't want to allow states to enforce immigration....or why obama's admin isn't concerned with actually making sure people qualify under his rules that were announced....
it's always, always about the :$:. |
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