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Sightseek 09-21-2006 08:43 AM

Most Talented 3yo since the 90's?
 
Are we all ready to hand over the award to Bernardini? Still living in the Smarty Party? Do you like your 3yo's to be Real Quiet? A late blooming Tiznow?

Who would you rate as the most talented 3 year old since 1990?

Buffymommy 09-21-2006 08:51 AM

It is a tie for me. Victory Gallop or Concern. My two personal faves.

dalakhani 09-21-2006 09:08 AM

US based? Holy bull without a doubt.

2Hot4TV 09-21-2006 09:36 AM

Barbaro, dominate on turf and dirt as a 3yo and his Derby win puts him a the top.

cakes44 09-21-2006 09:39 AM

If I remember correctly, Candy Ride was still technically 3 years old when he smoked Medaglia d'Oro in the Pacific Classic. If so, he was easily the most talented 3-year-old I've seen in a long, long time.

boswd 09-21-2006 09:40 AM

Point Given Preakness, Belmont, Haskell, Travers nuff said

Thunder Gulch 09-21-2006 09:42 AM

Really tough to seperate Point Given, Holy Bull, and Bernandini. Those three were freaks in the spring/summer. Tiznow certainly closed the year with a bang.

Cajungator26 09-21-2006 09:43 AM

Holy Bull.

paisjpq 09-21-2006 09:44 AM

easy goer.

Sightseek 09-21-2006 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44
If I remember correctly, Candy Ride was still technically 3 years old when he smoked Medaglia d'Oro in the Pacific Classic. If so, he was easily the most talented 3-year-old I've seen in a long, long time.

That race was pretty unbelievable. :)

Sightseek 09-21-2006 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paisjpq
easy goer.

That was '89! :p (I agree though, he rocked!)

paisjpq 09-21-2006 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
That was '89! :p (I agree though, he rocked!)

sorry spaced on that one...90's--skip away (evem though he was a better older horsethan a three year old)

FairPlay 09-21-2006 09:48 AM

Looking at only the 3 Year Old Season:

Holy Bull
A.P Indy
Point Given
Thunder Gulch
Serena's Song

Cajungator26 09-21-2006 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paisjpq
easy goer.

My fave too (in the 80's.) :D

Buffymommy 09-21-2006 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paisjpq
sorry spaced on that one...90's--skip away (evem though he was a better older horsethan a three year old)


I liked him too. He would be in my top 5 of the 90s.

FairPlay 09-21-2006 10:00 AM

More fun would be best 3 Year Old Season Ever:

Man O' War (undefeated and beat the Triple Crown winner in a match race)
Citation (15 in a row, sweeps the Triple Crown and wins at distances from 6 furlongs to 2 miles in the JCGC)
Secretariat (he lost the Wood and the Whitney remember)

JJP 09-21-2006 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paisjpq
easy goer.

He wasn't even the best 3YO of 1989.

I'd have to say since 1990, the top 3YOs would be Point Given, Unbridled and Silver Charm.

King Glorious 09-21-2006 10:10 AM

1. Lammtarra
2. Go for Wand
3. Smarty Jones
4. Giant's Causeway
5. Rock of Gibraltar
6. Bernardini
7. Holy Bull
8. Point Given
9. Thunder Gulch
10. Serena's Song

Note-I think that Arazi would have been on this list with proper handling because he had the talent but unfortunately, never got to show his best. To make the list, u have to have talent PLUS accomplishments. Lion Heart was also very nearly on this list. Had he not gotten hurt, he would have won the Travers and that, along with the Haskell win, would have been enough to make it.

kentuckyrosesinmay 09-21-2006 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJP
He wasn't even the best 3YO of 1989.

I'd have to say since 1990, the top 3YOs would be Point Given, Unbridled and Silver Charm.

I agree with that first part. Sunday Silence beat him in the Derby, Preakness, and BCC, so I'll take him any day of the week over Easy Goer...

Cajungator26 09-21-2006 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I agree with that first part. Sunday Silence beat him in the Derby, Preakness, and BCC, so I'll take him any day of the week over Easy Goer...

IMO, Easy Goer had more talent than Sunday Silence. Whether he utilized it or not was another story...

my miss storm cat 09-21-2006 10:30 AM

Alexandrova. :cool:

kentuckyrosesinmay 09-21-2006 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FairPlay
Looking at only the 3 Year Old Season:

Holy Bull
A.P Indy
Point Given
Thunder Gulch
Serena's Song

I like that list, but I would throw Go For Wand and the Rock of Gibralter in there as well...loved the Rock of Gibralter...also liked Tiznow

I wish that we could have seen more from Afleet Alex, Smarty Jones, and Charismatic...

Bernardini may be on the top of that list for me by the end of the year...

Bold Reasoning 09-21-2006 10:50 AM

A.P. Indy, Holy Bull, Bernardini

FairPlay 09-21-2006 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I like that list, but I would throw Go For Wand and the Rock of Gibralter in there as well...loved the Rock of Gibralter...also liked Tiznow

I wish that we could have seen more from Afleet Alex, Smarty Jones, and Charismatic...

Bernardini may be on the top of that list for me by the end of the year...

Glad you liked the list. I just tried to keep it to 5. There are many other worthy names.

randallscott35 09-21-2006 11:17 AM

Holy Bull. Then Smarty for me.

eurobounce 09-21-2006 11:23 AM

Holy Bull and Point Given for me in the US.

somerfrost 09-21-2006 11:30 AM

Since 1990, lets see:
Tiznow
Dubai Millennium
Point Given
Skip Away
Smarty Jones
Lammtarra
Holy Bull
Elusive Pimpernel
Sinndar
Giants Causeway
Cigar has to be mentioned as he fits time frame
Barbaro...not sure where I'd rank him yet
Bernardini...ibid above

slotdirt 09-21-2006 12:02 PM

Afleet Alex.

Slewbopper 09-21-2006 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eurobounce
Holy Bull and Point Given for me in the US.

I agree......

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-21-2006 02:56 PM

I would like to see this race

Candy Ride
Bernardini
Barbaro
Discreet Cat
Concern
Tiznow
Holy Bull
Point Given
Invasor
Smarty Jones
Dubai Millenium

Man what i wouldn't give to see them all the same age and race each other!

Cajungator26 09-21-2006 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOSE=GLUE
I would like to see this race

Candy Ride
Bernardini
Barbaro
Discreet Cat
Concern
Tiznow
Holy Bull
Point Given
Invasor
Smarty Jones
Dubai Millenium

Man what i wouldn't give to see them all the same age and race each other!

My money would be on Point Given, I think.

Downthestretch55 09-21-2006 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajungator26
My money would be on Point Given, I think.

Point Given for me as well.
He was such a big chestnut, and when he walked past me on his way to his Travers, it was a moment I'll never forget.

Gander 09-21-2006 04:01 PM

Kelly Kip. The Allen Jerken's charge was something of beauty to watch. I dont think we ever got a chance to see the very best from this horse either, a little mismanaged in my opinion. I saw this horse workout a few times and lets just say he turned quite a few heads.

stevepopyak 09-21-2006 05:18 PM

Point Given for me too (I've only been following since the mid 90's)

Danzig 09-21-2006 05:33 PM

point given
barbaro
smarty
holy bull
ap indy

pgardn 09-21-2006 05:39 PM

Smarty Jones
Point Given
Skip Away

oracle80 09-21-2006 05:41 PM

Smarty Jones ran numbers on the sheets that were unbelievable.
And his finest race ever was the Belmont where he got tag teamed by two future grade one winners, and put them away to the point where they stopped to a walk!!! while he continued to fight on and get beat by a perfect trip horse who came back and won the Travers.
He was by far the best three year old since Easy Goer/Sunday Silence, and probably better than those as well.
You take a look at his sheet numbers and you just can't believe how fast he was. I don't know that I will see a three year old like that again in my lifetime.

Antitrust32 09-21-2006 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOSE=GLUE
I would like to see this race

Candy Ride
Bernardini
Barbaro
Discreet Cat
Concern
Tiznow
Holy Bull
Point Given
Invasor
Smarty Jones
Dubai Millenium

Man what i wouldn't give to see them all the same age and race each other!

I would bet Dubai Millenium, Point Given and bernardini Tri Box!

Downthestretch55 09-21-2006 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gander
Kelly Kip. The Allen Jerken's charge was something of beauty to watch. I dont think we ever got a chance to see the very best from this horse either, a little mismanaged in my opinion. I saw this horse workout a few times and lets just say he turned quite a few heads.

Tim,
I agree with you on Kelly Kip. He's now the #4 NY sire. He's still owned by H A J (Hobeau Farm). He stands at HighCliff for a very reasonable fee.
Impressive in every way, though I don't think many remember him.
Here's what he looks like now.
http://www.highcliff.com/registry_images/kelly_kip.html

Gander 09-21-2006 06:24 PM

Absolutely gorgeous, thanks for the pic!
War Front is a nice sprinter, the best one Allen has had since then. Lets hope he gets Allen a BC win this year :cool:


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