Belmont Winner
 

Union Rags

You can thank me later

I'll thank you now for contributing to yet another underlaid mutuel on that sucker horse.

He was flying late in the Derby and had plenty of excuses.....I'll Have Another won't be at his best after running his eye balls off 2 in a row....the rest o them are heading to the glue factory after the race....

Can you provide your rationale?

Sorry I asked.

Why? Do you disagree?

How'd that work out with Went the Day Well?

I don't hate Union Rags in the Belmont, but I can't see how he'll improve enough to win. I think Matz overthought his options with him after the Derby.

Went the Day Well was always questionable on dirt....Union Rags is not.

Given the brilliance of your last Belmont Stakes selection, I doubt anyone on this board will ignore your selection....

You'd make a great detective...

Yes!! Very Peter Falkesque...."just one more question"

I'm not as against him as others. I was being sincere when asking for your rationale. But there are plenty of horses that can "fly late" and manage to continuously come up short as an underlay.

Personally, I don't think the speed ceiling is much higher than what rags has already shown. Thus, you're counting on iha regressing. I don't see that happening....at least not 14 points.

Alpha clearly dislikes Churchill Downs, just look at him on a NY track, never worse than second, will relish the distance, and is fresh , just like Union Rags, it could be the cold exacta, just like last years Champagne, As Woody Stephens said "When you cross the Hudson, those buildings get awful big" and he should know. Won 5, that's right 5 str8 Belmonts..............

Maybe it just looks like Alpha likes New York because he doesn't face much when he's there. Best G1 effort is either a distant 2nd to Union Rags or a 2nd to Gemologist beating 3rd place Teeth of the Dog. He did "crush" Speightcity and Tiger Walk in the Withers.

I was a big Rags believer, and with the Belmont on deck, I can't figure out why I liked him so much. My eyes were fooling me when my head was saying "look at the figs".

I'm also intrigued by alpha. Seems like Alpha and Paynter are the only horses fast enough to potentially upset iha if he runs his race, which I assume he will.

What do others think about the race? Who can beat I'll Have Another?

More specifically, thoughts on Paynter?

I think this is what they mean by a cinch. We may even get a price.:)

i think dullahan is a bigger threat than u.rags to ruin the crown.

I Can't Wait
 

:)Union Rags, Dullahan and Paynter all have a shot but have to be 5 to 1 or better(which in the case of Union Rags, Dullahan you won't get)
or I would not play them against a dual classic winner with proven tactical speed,a huge will to win and what might be the "Gods are with us" factor in a young talented jock and a whole nation rooting for him!
Paynter and Unstopple U appear to be enough "Speed types" or you just might see I'll Have Another go out and run them off there feet Ala Secretariat(no comparison intended)
Of course this is all speculative banter at this early juncture but I am going to be on pins and needles for 3 weeks talking thinking and hoping for a triple crown winner and ultimately a great story and uplifting event for our sport and the nation:eek:

Union Rags?
 

Reasons to like Union Rags...
1. Loves the Belmont strip
2. Best race is the stalking and pounce late - perfect for 1 1/2 miles.
3. Has shown ability to win with trouble.
4. Fresh and prepared by one of the best trainers in spotting a horse.
5. May get Johnny V who rides Belmont course well.
Questions which could go against betting Union Rags...
1. Has he improved over last year?
2. Is he a horse who gets himself in trouble?
3. Will he be bet too much as the alternative horse?
4. Is I'll Have Another just getting better and better and a faster horse?
I love Union Rags for the Belmont, but must admit I have been surprised by the ability of I'll Have Another, especially how he caught Bode in the Preakness. In the end though, hoping the public jumps all over IHA and inflates the price of Union Rags enough to bet (thinking about it at 4-1 but 5-1+ is what really needed for a logical bet).

1. Silly
2. OK, but his ped hardly screams 1 1/2 miles
3. Overrated trouble
4. Based on what?
5. I imagine whomever rides him will be a top jockey

He may finish second but not going to beat ill have Another . Will be lucky to hold off dullahan and alpha

:$:

Union Rags has regressed with each subsequent start this year... not a coincidence that his figures also get lower with each increase in distance he travels. These two glaring negatives mean he will be no where near the finish line of the Belmont when the race is being decided.

This is a horse who developed faster than his counterparts last year, and was visually impressive in his BC effort. So far this year he has not matched the improvement that the competition has enjoyed.

The big ? is does Leparoux get back aboard and just (if any) how much does getting him off there improve this horses chances?

Will he get bet in the Belmont, I hope so, will he be on my tickets, only in 3rd/4th holes of tri's/super's....

" 2. Best race is the stalking and pounce late - perfect for 1 1/2 miles."

So....is this tactic true for the Belmont? One would think it would be but is it in actuality? I thought that more horses have won the Belmont on the front end, not stalking. I don't know, I'm asking.

I think his biggest problem will be the distance. That said if he goes that far (if any of them do) he has to be a legit threat to I'll have another coming off those 2 huge efforts.

I think I'll have another is clearly better than anything that will be in the Belmont, but so was Spectacular Bid. There is a reason it's been so long between Triple Crown winners and I think we will see another horse come up short

Velazquez to replace Leparoux aboard Union Rags

http://www.drf.com/news/belmont-stak...ard-union-rags

How about this one is regard to last year's Classic?

Oh well, that's why they call it gambling. I will not be betting Unclo Mo at 2-1 that is for sure. The only other horse I like at decent odds is Drosselmeyer

Picking Drosselmeyer is the internet redboard version of picking Lilacs and Lace as representative that Flower Alley is a pretty sweet sire.

huh? all I saw was:

I am pretty sure we all miss a hell of a lot more than we hit....for the record I did end up on Drosselmeyer, redboarding or not

This moved Rags up considerably... enough to win, I'm still betting against that.

You are welcome.....on wait...he can't get the distance right? Good call "experts". He would have beaten Ill Have Another too.

Don't spend that 5/2 in one place, super 'capper.

I had Atigun for some real cash. Enjoy though. 5/2 is much better. You're the only one who had it.

5/2 seemed pretty fair though, most of that field had done very little and if you did not like the Romans horse your getting a pretty square price on a good horse.

Yeah. I knew that my chances were in trouble when he broke decent. Just a plug of a horse though. Congrats but he won because Smith has been a f.ucking ho the whole triple crown series and I called it on Derby when he had the horse pinned on a dead rail instead of a path wider.

Today for some odd reason he gave the rail up. Must be all of that wine he's consuming.

I think Rock Tard has finally mushed Baffert. No more GOAT RIP.