Attack on the First Amendment
 

Apparently crack ho is no longer a part of free speech!

I could understand how it could be considered defamation of character in some cases but certainly not in the case of Whitney Houston!

Where is the ACLU?

I know at least Riot will be on my side on this one. ;)

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/...in-talk-radio/

In the new "Political Correctness" era, just because something is true does not give you the right to say it.

"Political" is a qualifier. It is better to just be factually Correct.

I have the first amendment right to say whatever I like, including telling them where they can shove their opinion of what I say.

I'll book that bet and lay you 2-1 against your side....:D

Why do people always confuse, "consequences you receive for speaking out under the First Amendment" with "attack on one's First Amendment rights"?

And a resolution urging someone not to make racist or sexist comments, doesn't prevent one from doing so.

Duh. It's like your mother punishing you for cursing when you're young. Yeah, encouraging manners is a big violation of your first amendment rights, too.

They are not confused. You are confused. By your definition, a person speaking out in Saudi Arabia shouldn't be surprised by getting his head cut off, paraphrasing, as a "consequence he receives for speaking out."

The reason that right is there in the first place (literally) is to guarantee that there would be no consequences from the government associated with the speech itself.

If you want to speak in abstract and theoretical terms about how the government might be overthrown or what the weaknesses are, you are free to do so. The individual making the analysis might actually be trying to help the government close up the holes in its defenses. However, it is of course an act of treason to actually try to overthrow the government.

You can scream at the top of your lungs how ridiculous and oppressive the tax code is, but if you actually do not pay your taxes, that is the crime of Tax Evasion.

Oh, duh, the government does not have a parental relationship with its citizens, so it's not like your example at all. This is government by consent of the governed, not parenting by the consent of the parented.

What a remarkably ridiculous attempt at a comparison. Let's keep to the subject at hand, which is a town passing a resolution - not a law - encouraging manners and lack of hate speech.

THERE IS NO REMOVAL OF FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. THERE IS NOTHING THAT PREVENTS ANYBODY FROM CONTINUING ANY HATE SPEECH THEY WANT. THERE ARE NO CONSEQUENCES TO ANY SPEECH PUT IN PLACE HERE.

Pretending there is, is simply false. Comparing this to murder by a militant group in another country is beyond ridiculous and absurd.

And thinking that somebody in Saudi Arabia (using that country as an example) "gets their head cut off" shows a sad, unbelievably ignorant knowledge of what specific foreign countries are like.

you'd think the city council would have more important things to worry about. let the radio execs worry about their employees-this is no place for the govt.


saw where dick durbin wants congressional hearings on the nfl and bounties. i think that's an absurd move as well.

OK, I should have said that the person would get stoned to death. Sorry.

Get a grip. A town passed a resolution encouraging no hate speech. Some think a society encouraging no hate speech - and no hate murders like Trayvon Williams - is a good thing.

Don't worry - your fear that one's ability to spew hate speech, and racist and sexist slurs, will be taken away isn't impinged one iota by this resolution.

Calling that resolution an "attack on the first amendment" is ridiculous and false.

Excellent comparison.

Our constitutional republic to an oppressive monarchy? :zz:

The consequences of one's free speech are all around us: Westboro Baptist gets to spew hate, and thousands get to line the street and block view of them. Geraldo gets to make stupid comments about Treyvon Williams, and the rest of the world gets to mock him. Gingrich spews racist dog whistles, and he's not elected. The KKK gets to march down a street.

None of that is in any way remotely comparable to getting one's head cut off by murderers in a foreign country because of something one said. And I never, ever implied they would "deserve it" to be beheaded, nor did my comment about consequences remotely have anything to do with that. How f.uck.in'g absurd.

Yep, just like hoping people could have half an ounce of compassion, or consideration, or basic kindness (hell, let's not even say "kindness," that's asking too much, let's instead just say "appearing, by accident or not, to have any basic decency") = POLITICALLY CORRECT NANNY STATE!

In other circles, also known as: ATTACK ON FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS!

Nobody is preventing anybody from saying anything. Did everyone miss that fact here?

Dear god, I don't believe this: on one hand, everyone is angry over what happened to Treyvon Williams; on the other they are upset that a town has publicly come out to support less racist and sexist speech.

Nobody has removed anybody's first amendment rights. A town is merely publicly supporting less racist and sexist public speech in public discourse.

Yeah. That's a terrible, terrible thing, for society to speak out on the quality of life we have.

Yeah - a clear assault on our first amendment rights, to encourage civil public discourse. What utter nonsense.

I suppose if I was a new poster without an obnoxious history of posts to call on that very well establish my bleeding heart credentials (which leaves me FAR left of where you get accused of being on a daily basis), I wouldn't have assumed a sarcasm alert was unnecessary on my first post.

The last one you seem to have misunderstood.

As a far left bleeding heart liberal Marxist Communist Socialist, we apparently are too cool to get irony and sarcasm :rolleyes:

I guess that proves my cred as a stick-in-the-mud uncool unhip unwithit moderate Republican. Dang! And I SO wanted to be a Lefty!

You mean you are not!..I'm crushed...;)

You don't post for a little while and folks forget...shame on you for not including a sarcasm alert...lol!

I know! It's embarrassing .... :p

Me, too! I guess I'll have to go with Romney now :o

Well then my point, in a clearer explanation is this:

Much of what gets labeled as "political correctness" and "first amendment attacks" is little more than a person or group of people hoping or asking that people can talk and converse without every third word out of their mouth being some kind of potentially loaded word that can be an attack on a group of people or can cause harm to other people.

Very few of these things are actually people codifying those requests into law with negative consequences from the government for doing so. Almost none, actually.

So yea, being "politically correct" is an ugly attribute to many people, but if being "politically correct" means that I don't lob harmful verbal firebombs at people all the time with the intent of hurting them, and wish that other people would consider doing the same a bit more often, then yea, sign me up for being politically correct.

Such a horrible thing that is, being empathic and trying not to hurt other people and make them feel like $hit all the time.

Good choice, he doesn't need no steenkin teleprompter...

yeah, it's so horrible that guys like Howard Stern are allowed on the radio :rolleyes:

Cool straw man, Lori!

We should argue about that thing that I totally never said!

I'm sorry. I didn't realize that this thread was not about radio hosts being censored by the government.

whoever came up with the word "straw man" should be shot.

we're not in Kansas anymore.

Glad you realized it now.

If you think a city council passing something that really boils down to, "we'd like it if you would be nicer," with absolutely zero teeth or consequences to it is government censorship, then we have a really fundamental disagreement about exactly what censorship is. I'm really glad the real meaning of government censorship is not your definition of it, because we'd live in an awfully scary place if that were the case.

Enjoy the afternoon!

I can edit it to "nonsensical, illogical argument," if you'd like?

I have no problem with people who call a womens basketball team nappy headed ho's being fired from his or her EMPLOYER for saying those words.

I do have a problem with a city counsel wasting taxpayers time and money with a resolution that goes against the consitution anyway.

shock jock radio hosts should really concern themselves with political correctness. nobody cares to be entertained anyway.

A law outlawing sexist and racist language? That'd be a big problem, and also against the Constitution.

Thank goodness that's not what happened here!

And while YMMV, if your entertainment relies on "shock" and offense and hurt to other people, then good for you, your entertainment sucks and is incredibly uncreative, IMO. But what do I know, I'm just too sensitive and liberal to understand the sheer joy and entertainment in tearing other people down. Sounds like a ton of fun I'm missing out on.

And more importantly, because this is what you're hung up on, my entire premise is not that Maher, Limbaugh, Stern, or any other run of the mill jackass who relies on hurting other people to succeed should be off the air. It's great that they're on the air. Free Speech: that's what it's for!

But when Maher gets defensive and plays the victim when called out for calling Sarah Palin a "c***," and Limbaugh for his words, and however many other great examples there are of these people complaining about their free speech, everyone gets up in arms defending them for their right to it.

And I'm right there with you, because I also believe in their right to say whatever they want -- but PLEASE let's stop confusing criticism of a person's use of their right to free speech and an urging that they avoid harmful words to an attempt to deny their right of free speech.

people like maher and rush certainly deserve to be criticized by there listeners, non listeners or peers for some of the worthless shi.t they spew.

I'm just saying, it's completely unnecessary and wasteful for a city councel to use taxpayer dime and time to come up with this resolution.

Wish you would've just said that in the first place.

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no problem tin man ;)

just want to reiterate i also don't see this as censorship, but i am with lori that it's a waste of time by the council.
loss of viewers/listeners is the only censorship these 'shock' jocks have to worry about. i don't listen to any of them or watch them on t.v. i find them useless.
i'd also imagine that the city councils attempt only resulted in increased listeners for the show.

It's just so phony. Make the offended take a lie detector test and execute them on spot if they really aren't offended and just some vindictive cowardly douche who want to ruin people's lives by feigning offense to WORDS.

And the ones who are truly offended then they are immediately sterilized.

Problem solved

you have to wonder coach when someone tries to get on these guys for calling a person a crack whore-when that person died with coke in their system.

They are safe zone bullies. Going after their own by manipulating people like brian who are hyper-sensitive to bullying. Meanwhile they'll call him all those bad words off the grid and in private.

In 'evolved' places like southern cal you have a closeted gay man having a mental breakdown jacking off in public and acting like a super queen. All of this was avoidable but because bullying is looked down upon nobody in school reminded him he was gay.

Bullying is good

Interesting that when someone feels a certain way about something you disagree with, they've been manipulated, or they're "sheep," because they can't think independently about what affects them and how certain things make them feel. No, that cannot be reached without manipulation.

But if we sat around all day together watching Zeitgeist and talking about how awesome Ron Paul is and making our best plans for the New World Order, I'd all the sudden be a liberated free-thinker, because those opinions that YOU share can only be reached through critical thinking uninfluenced by outside factors.

I happen to think that both conspiracy theorists AND people who think that a little bit of empathy would go a long way in this world can think for themselves.

Neat how that works. Carry on.

And thanks to Pillow's predictable assholedness, I just won a nice bet :tro:

You're a liberal idiot and would never believe in nwo or Ron Paul and saying otherwise would be a lie.

Face it you're a smug hypocrite that works or worked for a corporate monstrosity that takes advantage of poor people.

Nobody with any spirit wants to tapdance around your issues. F.uck off we all have problems sissy