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Riot 03-02-2012 05:28 PM

Rush Limbaugh has finally jumped the shark - advertisers abandoning him
 
Advertisers have stuck by Rush through some of his previous inflammatory comments, but this time they are not.

In the past 24 hours:

2:13 PM PT: UPDATE: All hail the Men Who Get It: "The Cleveland Cavaliers have decided to suspend any and all on-air advertising with the Rush Limbaugh radio program, citing 'inflammatory comments' coupled with valuable feedback from both clients and team employees. This news comes from the team’s majority owner Dan Gilbert." via Think Progress, and Waitingfornextyear.com.

1:37 PM PT: Think Progress is reporting that Quicken Loans is out, too! Kelly@QuickenLoans Tweeted: "Due to continued inflammatory comments– along w/valuable feedback from clients & team members– QL has suspended ads on Rush Limbaugh program."

1:15 PM PT: UPDATE: SleepNumber Beds is out: @SleepNumberSara Tweeted this afternoon: "Recent comments by Rush Limbaugh do not align w/our values, so we made decision to immediately suspend all advertising on that program."

www.dailykos.com

On Rush's radio show today, Rushbo complained (sorry, hold on while I ROFLMAO here .... okay ... ) about the following:

BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: "A Missouri House member frustrated with recent legislative debates over birth control and reproductive health is proposing to restrict vasectomies. Legislation sponsored by Democrat Stacey Newman would allow vasectomies only when necessary to protect a man from serious injury or death." You will not find the name "Rush Limbaugh" anywhere on this legislation. Nor do I know Ms. Newman. I'm not in cahoots with her. In the state of Missouri, a woman "frustrated with recent legislative debates over birth control and reproductive health" has proposed legislation that would deny men the right to have a vasectomy whenever and for whatever reason they wanted.

Men would have to get that approved. "Vasectomies would have to be performed in a hospital, ambulatory surgery center or health facility licensed by the state Department of Health and Senior Services." What, is this? Are there back-alley vasectomies going on that we don't know about? Have you heard this, Snerdley? Are there back-alley vasectomies taking place? "The Missouri House last week approved a resolution objecting to the federal health care law and a requirement that most employers or insurers cover contraceptives. Newman, who's from St. Louis County, says that such issues affect women the most." Really? Affect women the most?

"She says men also must make family planning decisions." So here you have it, folks. Now we're going to restrict vasectomies? A legislator, state representative in Missouri wants to regulate and restrict vasectomies.

www.rushlimbaugh.com

mclem0822 03-02-2012 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 842723)
Advertisers have stuck by Rush through some of his previous inflammatory comments, but this time they are not.

In the past 24 hours:

2:13 PM PT: UPDATE: All hail the Men Who Get It: "The Cleveland Cavaliers have decided to suspend any and all on-air advertising with the Rush Limbaugh radio program, citing 'inflammatory comments' coupled with valuable feedback from both clients and team employees. This news comes from the team’s majority owner Dan Gilbert." via Think Progress, and Waitingfornextyear.com.

1:37 PM PT: Think Progress is reporting that Quicken Loans is out, too! Kelly@QuickenLoans Tweeted: "Due to continued inflammatory comments– along w/valuable feedback from clients & team members– QL has suspended ads on Rush Limbaugh program."

1:15 PM PT: UPDATE: SleepNumber Beds is out: @SleepNumberSara Tweeted this afternoon: "Recent comments by Rush Limbaugh do not align w/our values, so we made decision to immediately suspend all advertising on that program."

www.dailykos.com

On Rush's radio show today, Rushbo complained (sorry, hold on while I ROFLMAO here .... okay ... ) about the following:

BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: "A Missouri House member frustrated with recent legislative debates over birth control and reproductive health is proposing to restrict vasectomies. Legislation sponsored by Democrat Stacey Newman would allow vasectomies only when necessary to protect a man from serious injury or death." You will not find the name "Rush Limbaugh" anywhere on this legislation. Nor do I know Ms. Newman. I'm not in cahoots with her. In the state of Missouri, a woman "frustrated with recent legislative debates over birth control and reproductive health" has proposed legislation that would deny men the right to have a vasectomy whenever and for whatever reason they wanted.

Men would have to get that approved. "Vasectomies would have to be performed in a hospital, ambulatory surgery center or health facility licensed by the state Department of Health and Senior Services." What, is this? Are there back-alley vasectomies going on that we don't know about? Have you heard this, Snerdley? Are there back-alley vasectomies taking place? "The Missouri House last week approved a resolution objecting to the federal health care law and a requirement that most employers or insurers cover contraceptives. Newman, who's from St. Louis County, says that such issues affect women the most." Really? Affect women the most?

"She says men also must make family planning decisions." So here you have it, folks. Now we're going to restrict vasectomies? A legislator, state representative in Missouri wants to regulate and restrict vasectomies.

www.rushlimbaugh.com

Long overdue to say the least!

bigrun 03-02-2012 06:05 PM

Just watched his rant on ABC eve news....what a jackass...but his fans love that crap....also ABC pulled a Stewart on Mitt...showed a recent clip of him saying one thing about big gov't and a 10 year old clip of him saying opposite...

Danzig 03-02-2012 07:59 PM

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...ra_fluke_.html

Has Rush Limbaugh Finally Gone Too Far in Slut-Shaming Sandra Fluke?
By J. Bryan Lowder
| Posted Friday, March 2, 2012, at 3:43 PM ET


"So Miss Fluke and the rest of you feminazis, here's the deal: If we are going to pay for your contraceptives and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch."

Obviously, feminists, liberals and really anyone who has a modicum of respect of women—including President Obama, who called Fluke today to offer his support—was disgusted by this statement. As Krystal Ball writes in the Huffington Post, this is classic slut-shaming with the added bonus of creepy voyeurism. And considering that the content of Fluke’s actual testimony wasn’t about sex (though it would have been fine if it had been), Limbaugh’s lurid, peeping-tom reaction is all the weirder. In this case, I think we see another example of Amanda’s observation (made earlier this week) that the contraception debate is really bringing out conservatism’s “prurient prude” double-standard.

Riot 03-02-2012 08:07 PM

BTW, Flukes testimony - which was denied at the original hearing by Republican Committee Chair Darryl Issa (when all they had was male church figures testifying about women's health and contraceptive needs), and was spoken to the Dems in a different hearing later: was about what happened to a fellow student, who could not afford birth control to treat her ovarian cysts, thus eventually lost that ovary, forever decreasing by half her chances of starting a family.

Yeah, Rush - that makes Fluke a "slut". You misogynistic idiot fat drug addict.

bigrun 03-02-2012 08:35 PM

Still running his dope...
 
Rush Limbaugh’s Maid to get Raise...

http://notentertainmentnews.wordpres...-to-get-raise/

hi_im_god 03-02-2012 09:16 PM

romney will look dead another six or seven times before november. he'll keep drifting back because the country fundamentally doesn't want change and the administration's core economic policies (health care, stimulus) remain unpopular. growth will be slow and you'll have $5 gas in november.

but it's hard not to enjoy how far off message the republicans keep getting themselves.

contraception? seriously?

it's like a bad lieutenant governor race. the professionals have to be pissing themselves watching this.

god bless rush limbaugh and rick santorum.

mclem0822 03-02-2012 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 842760)
romney will look dead another six or seven times before november. he'll keep drifting back because the country fundamentally doesn't want change and the administration's core economic policies (health care, stimulus) remain unpopular. growth will be slow and you'll have $5 gas in november.

but it's hard not to enjoy how far off message the republicans keep getting themselves.

contraception? seriously?

it's like a bad lieutenant governor race. the professionals have to be pissing themselves watching this.

god bless rush limbaugh and rick santorum.

Let's hope what i read in terms of a prediction will be true. I read that prices with peak at around $4.25 in late spring, before drifting back down to around $3 a gallon in the 2nd half of the year. The price has been trending upward for a decade due to demand from China and other places in the world. It crashed when the economy did right around the same time Obama took office, and this recent spike is just the resumption of that upward trend. Hope they do level off again.

GenuineRisk 03-03-2012 07:09 PM

So, Rush has been married 4 times, has no kids, and doesn't seem to understand how prescription contraception works. And his preferred vacation place is the Dominican Republic.

Even if Ms. Fluke and other women posted videos, does it seem like he'd actually be interested in watching them?

GenuineRisk 03-03-2012 07:17 PM

Here's a link to Fluke's letter to Congress:

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politic...%20hearing.pdf

dalakhani 03-03-2012 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 843034)
So, Rush has been married 4 times, has no kids, and doesn't seem to understand how prescription contraception works. And his preferred vacation place is the Dominican Republic.

Even if Ms. Fluke and other women posted videos, does it seem like he'd actually be interested in watching them?

:tro:

somerfrost 03-04-2012 12:06 AM

Whenever Rush comes to mind, I think of Shakespeare's quote from Macbeth...."out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

bigrun 03-04-2012 12:39 PM

Rush apologizes....tell him to shove it...wants his sponsors back..


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/261848...19093#46619093

AlreadyHome 03-04-2012 01:02 PM

needs help
 
Rush Limbaugh :eek: is #1 Idiot of the USA... is crazy how some people with so much education say dumb thing :zz:

bigrun 03-04-2012 03:23 PM


Danzig 03-04-2012 05:24 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46620985/from/RSS/


7 advertisers out...and counting.

geeker2 03-05-2012 03:19 PM

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bigrun 03-05-2012 03:26 PM

9 sponsors gone and counting..
 
Quote:

The big cigar and little “junk” in this Rush Limbaugh portrait made me laugh. I told Taylor Jones that it was a great cartoon, even though there won’t be many newspapers that will print it.

A Revealing Portrait of Rush




Danzig 03-05-2012 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 843580)

except that when she testified, it was about a student's need for birth control due to an ovarian cyst. not about sex. altho one has to wonder why it would matter if it was about sex. one also wonder's how this turned into 'taxpayers paying' when all along it was about health insurance providers, not tax payers. people wish to claim that their religions preclude them from paying for care like that. so where would it end? some don't agree with blood transfusions, others with organ donation, etc, etc. seems to me that insurers would rather have bc paid for then the thousands of dollars for pre-natal and maternity care, pediatric care, and so on.
and if the argument is 'but it's not a medical necessity'-well, neither is viagra. been paid for all along. there goes that line of reasoning.

Danzig 03-05-2012 04:35 PM

and now it's nine advertisers who have pulled the plug. who would have thought, after all the sheer stupidity and hatred coming out of that persons mouth, that something would finally resonate with advertisers.

Riot 03-05-2012 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 843586)
except that when she testified, it was about a student's need for birth control due to an ovarian cyst. not about sex. altho one has to wonder why it would matter if it was about sex. one also wonder's how this turned into 'taxpayers paying' when all along it was about health insurance providers, not tax payers.

We do need to take this to it's logical inclusiveness. Fix it so male students cannot get condoms from Georgetown U., or any university health service, any more. If men think they have an STD, well the sluts deserve it for being loose. Too bad, not covered. Any man who wants Viagra must have a digital rectal exam and a cardiac treadmill test. Single men will not be allowed to receive any Viagra or condoms. Married men who get Viagra will have to produce one child per 30-pill prescription. Single men no longer have any parental rights regarding any child born out of wedlock.

Employers are free to determine what health care their employees receive. For example, Sharia Law will be implemented for employees of Muslims, and Christian Sharia for employees of Catholics and Evangelicals. If an employer doesn't "believe" in vaccination, none of their employees children can be covered for vaccinations. Employers can limit the number of children their employees insurance will pay for if they think the world is too overpopulated.

Riot 03-05-2012 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 843593)
and now it's nine advertisers who have pulled the plug. who would have thought, after all the sheer stupidity and hatred coming out of that persons mouth, that something would finally resonate with advertisers.

AOL has bowed out. And the first radio station, in Hawai'i, has dumped Rush.

Our tax dollars shouldn't pay for Limbaugh's hate speech, either. And they do right now. Thousands sign petition to White House to have Panetta remove Rush from Armed Forces Radio, as he compromises the safety and respect of woman in the military. Led by women veterans: http://homepost.kpbs.org/2012/03/tho...-forces-radio/

Riot 03-05-2012 04:50 PM

Geeker joins the slut-shaming pack
 
Well, interesting take, Geeker, except Fluke was testifying how a fellow student couldn't afford contraception (which are hormones) not covered by student insurance, that were needed to treat an ovarian cyst, and as a result she lost an ovary and has halved her chances at having children.

And it has nothing at all to do with any "taxpayers" paying for contraception. It has to do with the insured in a group, as they do now at many Catholic institutions, paying for birth control pills for their fellow members in the group.

As virtually every single person who has insurance in America does right now.

Rush Limbaugh was lying about all that. He's an idiot, and a liar. And so are the dittoheads that ignorantly repeat his bullshiat lies about the testimony.

mclem0822 03-05-2012 04:52 PM

His non apology "apology" was a freakin joke! This dirbag's gonna call this woman a slut and prostitute on the air, but oh he "never meant it to be a personal attack"! :mad: How else do you label that but as a personal attack! Hope she sues his ASS off for slander! Great to see a station dump his ass! His feeble attempt to apologize was only cuz the sponsors were bailing, he looks like the PROSTITUTE now cuz he's only whining now for $! Makes me sick!:mad:

Riot 03-05-2012 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mclem0822 (Post 843600)
His non apology "apology" was a freakin joke! This dirbag's gonna call this woman a slut and prostitute on the air, but oh he "never meant it to be a personal attack"! :mad: How else do you label that but as a personal attack! Hope she sues his ASS off for slander! Great to see a station dump his ass! His feeble attempt to apologize was only cuz the sponsors were bailing, he looks like the PROSTITUTE now cuz he's only whining now for $! Makes me sick!:mad:

Media Matters reports that today Limbaugh was attempting to get his audience to hang in with him, and was not-too-subtly urging them to attack the sponsors who have abandoned him. He was blaming the left for causing him this problem, and saying that they (his former sponsors) are attacking his audience.

Rush is an experienced snake-oil-salesman - huckster. He knows his audience. The GOP is still too scared to come out and condemn him.

Clear Channel completely supports Rush in this.

Edit: 10th and 11th advertisers drop Rush: SEARS announces late today that they will not allow any advertisements to appear on his show (they bought general station advertisments) and today singer Peter Gabriel is having his lawyers send a note to Limbaugh demanding he stop using excerpts from the song "Sledgehammer" on his show. Bonobos, men's outfitters, also drops Rush.

Riot 03-05-2012 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 843593)
and now it's nine advertisers who have pulled the plug. who would have thought, after all the sheer stupidity and hatred coming out of that persons mouth, that something would finally resonate with advertisers.

Re-Tweet of the day from LOLGOP: "Rush needs to go back to racism, his sponsors were okay with that".

geeker2 03-05-2012 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 843586)
except that when she testified, it was about a student's need for birth control due to an ovarian cyst. not about sex. altho one has to wonder why it would matter if it was about sex. one also wonder's how this turned into 'taxpayers paying' when all along it was about health insurance providers, not tax payers. people wish to claim that their religions preclude them from paying for care like that. so where would it end? some don't agree with blood transfusions, others with organ donation, etc, etc. seems to me that insurers would rather have bc paid for then the thousands of dollars for pre-natal and maternity care, pediatric care, and so on.
and if the argument is 'but it's not a medical necessity'-well, neither is viagra. been paid for all along. there goes that line of reasoning.

I guess you don't get the humor of SNL either ;)

joeydb 03-05-2012 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 843580)

Winner... :tro::tro::tro:

Danzig 03-05-2012 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 843622)
I guess you don't get the humor of SNL either ;)

it has its moments.

geeker2 03-05-2012 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 843626)
it has its moments.

:{>::wf

Danzig 03-05-2012 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 843627)
:{>::wf

i enjoyed the mitt romney sons skit. the guest host? not so much.

geeker2 03-05-2012 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 843628)
i enjoyed the mitt romney sons skit. the guest host? not so much.

all time fav

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XMr3QO2Sbc

Danzig 03-05-2012 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 843630)

:tro:

Ocala Mike 03-05-2012 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 843601)

Clear Channel completely supports Rush in this.

Clear Channel is owned by Bain Capital; guess that's why Mitt Romney issued a "non-denouncing denouncement" of Rush.


Ocala Mike

Ocala Mike 03-05-2012 11:56 PM

Can't really fault Rush for calling this girl a slut. He was told she was a Georgetown "Hoya" and, as we all know, he's a little hard of hearing.

;);););)


Ocala Mike

joeydb 03-06-2012 06:47 AM

Use whatever term you like. If "slut" was too harsh, fine.

She got up before the nation, before the Senate, and lamented that her expenses for birth control pills, which are not prescribed to combat any other systemic condition (like ovarian cysts which would be covered), are $3000 per year. As if that cost was unavoidable or that her behavior was inevitable. Like she has no mind of her own or can't control whatever urges she has.

She uses the medicine for the original purpose it was designed - to prevent pregnancy. She's being responsible in the preparedness and forethought exercised. That's no problem at all. We should applaud that aspect of it - all of us who want to see less unplanned pregnancy (and subsequent abortion demand).

BUT - make no mistake - it is her responsibility to cover that cost. Birth control is not free - and neither is sex. If you cannot afford the consequences that may come from sexual behavior, then guess what - you shouldn't be having sex.

We have a nation of spoiled brats. Waaaaaaahhhh, pay for my stuff, waaaaaahhh. Grow up people. If you can't afford a Cadillac, buy a Chevy. If you can't afford a house, rent an apartment. Don't spend your last dime - save until you can afford these things.

There is no Constitutional right to subsidized sexual behavior. There is never a right provided to an individual by anyone but God, and these do not depend on another to pay for.

Person A does not pay for Person B's rights. That transaction would have nothing to do with rights whatsoever - just socialism.

Danzig 03-06-2012 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 843659)
Use whatever term you like. If "slut" was too harsh, fine.

She got up before the nation, before the Senate, and lamented that her expenses for birth control pills, which are not prescribed to combat any other systemic condition (like ovarian cysts which would be covered), are $3000 per year. As if that cost was unavoidable or that her behavior was inevitable. Like she has no mind of her own or can't control whatever urges she has.

She uses the medicine for the original purpose it was designed - to prevent pregnancy. She's being responsible in the preparedness and forethought exercised. That's no problem at all. We should applaud that aspect of it - all of us who want to see less unplanned pregnancy (and subsequent abortion demand).

BUT - make no mistake - it is her responsibility to cover that cost. Birth control is not free - and neither is sex. If you cannot afford the consequences that may come from sexual behavior, then guess what - you shouldn't be having sex.

We have a nation of spoiled brats. Waaaaaaahhhh, pay for my stuff, waaaaaahhh. Grow up people. If you can't afford a Cadillac, buy a Chevy. If you can't afford a house, rent an apartment. Don't spend your last dime - save until you can afford these things.

There is no Constitutional right to subsidized sexual behavior. There is never a right provided to an individual by anyone but God, and these do not depend on another to pay for.

Person A does not pay for Person B's rights. That transaction would have nothing to do with rights whatsoever - just socialism.

she specifially talked about a fellow student who wasn't having BC covered for cysts. where are you getting your info from? from what i've read, her entire presentation was about that point. and again, you're arguing on the basis of medical necessity-and yet, there are other prescription drugs that are covered, that aren't medically necessary either. or that aren't life changing, but are covered by insurers. as for consequences from sex-exactly what does that mean? it seems a person using birth control is already being responsible-for their health and attempting to prevent unwanted pregnancy. or is a pregnancy your idea of 'punishment'? also, do you automatically assume that if someone is using birth control, they then must be promiscuous? i was on birth control for years-the whole time i was married to the same fellow i'm married to now. using the pill, which must be taken daily to be effective, doesn't mean someone automatically is attacking every man that walks by.
also, you're taking the same tack others have, that this is socialism. the hearing was on insurance companies and what they cover-has nothing to do with taxpayers. it's a discussion about private insurance companies.

joeydb 03-06-2012 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 843662)
she specifially talked about a fellow student who wasn't having BC covered for cysts. where are you getting your info from? from what i've read, her entire presentation was about that point. and again, you're arguing on the basis of medical necessity-and yet, there are other prescription drugs that are covered, that aren't medically necessary either. or that aren't life changing, but are covered by insurers. as for consequences from sex-exactly what does that mean? it seems a person using birth control is already being responsible-for their health and attempting to prevent unwanted pregnancy. or is a pregnancy your idea of 'punishment'? also, do you automatically assume that if someone is using birth control, they then must be promiscuous? i was on birth control for years-the whole time i was married to the same fellow i'm married to now. using the pill, which must be taken daily to be effective, doesn't mean someone automatically is attacking every man that walks by.
also, you're taking the same tack others have, that this is socialism. the hearing was on insurance companies and what they cover-has nothing to do with taxpayers. it's a discussion about private insurance companies.

OK in fairness I did not see the entire clip of her testimony.

The use of the pill should be covered as a treatment for ovarian cysts, and any other condition where it's the appropriate treatment. If it's not - get a better insurance company, because that one will not be around long.

I said she was being responsible insofar as her making the necessary provisions - but - she should pay for it, nobody else.

The hearing was an attempt to save the Obama administration from the very unpopular stand that they have taken against religious freedom. They stepped in it when they forced the Catholic Church to pay for insurance for their non-clergy employees - and here's the key - that MUST cover birth control.

There is little difference between a tax paid directly to the government versus a mandated payment to a third party like an insurance company. If you want to split hairs between what a taxpayer is and a mandated insurance customer, be my guest.

The assumption that someone who is single and taking birth control when not medically necessary by another condition is promiscuous is a reasonable one. There are always exceptions like any assumption, but who would take the medical risks (blood clots for example) and expense for a product that they didn't anticipate a need for?

And it is socialistic to take money from one person to give to another, whether directly or in the form of provided products. Taxation and those funds should be minimized by only paying for needs of the entire country - like the Defense Department, court system, Congress and the presidency, and, on a local level fire departments and police, and other similar functions. It should not be used to take money from one group and give it to another just because they complain. That's where the complaints of class warfare arise from too.

Danzig 03-06-2012 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 843665)
OK in fairness I did not see the entire clip of her testimony.

The use of the pill should be covered as a treatment for ovarian cysts, and any other condition where it's the appropriate treatment. If it's not - get a better insurance company, because that one will not be around long.

I said she was being responsible insofar as her making the necessary provisions - but - she should pay for it, nobody else.

The hearing was an attempt to save the Obama administration from the very unpopular stand that they have taken against religious freedom. They stepped in it when they forced the Catholic Church to pay for insurance for their non-clergy employees - and here's the key - that MUST cover birth control.

There is little difference between a tax paid directly to the government versus a mandated payment to a third party like an insurance company. If you want to split hairs between what a taxpayer is and a mandated insurance customer, be my guest.

The assumption that someone who is single and taking birth control when not medically necessary by another condition is promiscuous is a reasonable one. There are always exceptions like any assumption, but who would take the medical risks (blood clots for example) and expense for a product that they didn't anticipate a need for?

And it is socialistic to take money from one person to give to another, whether directly or in the form of provided products. Taxation and those funds should be minimized by only paying for needs of the entire country - like the Defense Department, court system, Congress and the presidency, and, on a local level fire departments and police, and other similar functions. It should not be used to take money from one group and give it to another just because they complain. That's where the complaints of class warfare arise from too.

in regards to your last paragraph, why do you keep referencing socialism and taxation? she was testifying about student insurance provided by a private company, the premiums all the students responsibility-georgetown wasn't on the hook for any of it. not sure why you keep dragging in taxpayers, this entire discussion has been about insurance companies-not subsidies from the govt.
also, obama stepped back weeks ago from demanding employers cover the costs, instead making it part of the package that insurance companies must offer. it's not about religious freedoms when the onus falls on blue cross or others like them to offer birth control.
there are myriad reasons people must take birth control other than cysts. if a doctor prescribes them, that should be all that's necessary for the insurer to cover them. again, there are other medications that also don't always have a medical reason to be prescribed, and yet they ARE covered.
i know a girl who'd been on the pill for years-and hadn't engaged in any sexual activity in several years' time-but if she did, she wouldn't have to worry about an unplanned pregnancy. one behavior doesn't automatically point to another.

as for religious freedoms dictating what to cover. like i've said elsewhere-where would that stop? some religions are against blood transfusions, others against organ donations, etc. do you want to have to argue about your health with your employer?

joeydb 03-06-2012 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 843667)
in regards to your last paragraph, why do you keep referencing socialism and taxation? she was testifying about student insurance provided by a private company, the premiums all the students responsibility-georgetown wasn't on the hook for any of it. not sure why you keep dragging in taxpayers, this entire discussion has been about insurance companies-not subsidies from the govt.
also, obama stepped back weeks ago from demanding employers cover the costs, instead making it part of the package that insurance companies must offer. it's not about religious freedoms when the onus falls on blue cross or others like them to offer birth control.
there are myriad reasons people must take birth control other than cysts. if a doctor prescribes them, that should be all that's necessary for the insurer to cover them. again, there are other medications that also don't always have a medical reason to be prescribed, and yet they ARE covered.
i know a girl who'd been on the pill for years-and hadn't engaged in any sexual activity in several years' time-but if she did, she wouldn't have to worry about an unplanned pregnancy. one behavior doesn't automatically point to another.

as for religious freedoms dictating what to cover. like i've said elsewhere-where would that stop? some religions are against blood transfusions, others against organ donations, etc. do you want to have to argue about your health with your employer?

Obama's "step back" is nothing of the sort. So now instead of it appearing as a line item that the employer must pay for, it's in the "must provide" section of coverage.

Before Obama's revision, the bill to the employer might look like this:

BASIC INSURANCE PREMIUM for Jane Doe: $100
BIRTH CONTROL ADDITIONAL COVERAGE for Jane Doe: $20

Now, after Obama's 'accommodation', the revised bill is:

MINIMUM COVERAGE PREMIUM for Jane Doe: $120

It's the easiest shell game to see through. There has been no change, therefore the issue is the same, and I hope he pays a big political price for it.

If you read what I wrote, I'm actually not disagreeing with you on that many points. If the pill is required as treatment for a documented condition, it should be covered.

Pregnancy is not 'punishment' but one of the most common consequences of sexual behavior, as God intended (or Darwin would explain), or both.

The subsidizing of elective behavior is the issue. She wants to be promiscuous and wants us to pay for it.

Different example: Let's say I am a fisherman. I also suffer from extreme motion sickness, and I take an anti-motion-sickness medication. It's better than dramamine, but it requires let's say a week to get into my system and protect me from the motion sickness I might get while out on my fishing boat.

Question: If I am taking the motion sickness medication I described above today, would it be a safe assumption that I plan to go fishing within a week?

The principle is the same with the logic surrounding the assumption for the motivation for using the birth control pill.


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