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Kasept 02-29-2012 12:18 PM

3/3 (AQU): Top Flight (G2), Tom Fool, Gotham (G3's)
 
5th (2:42) Top Flight H. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Coco Ecolo Trujillo E 113 L
2 Delightful Mary Contreras L 116 L
1A Sleepless Dixie Curatolo R 114 L
3 Bahama Bound Velazquez J R 114 L
4 It's Tricky Dominguez R A 122 L
5 Love and Pride Velasquez C 116 L

A-Coupled: Coco Ecolo and Sleepless Dixie



9th (4:34) Tom Fool H. (G3)

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Capt. Candyman Can Prado E S 117 L
2 Royal Currier Dominguez R A 115 L
3 Justin Phillip Trujillo E 116 L
4 Emcee Velazquez J R 114 L
5 Calibrachoa Velasquez C 118 L
6 Caleb's Posse Maragh R 122 L



10th (5:02) Gotham S. (G3)

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 My Adonis Trujillo E 120 L
2 Stealcase Contreras L 116 L
3 Finnegans Wake Desormeaux K J 116 L
4 Pretension Santiago Javier 116 L
5 Maan Maragh R 116 L
6 Dan and Sheila Velazquez J R 116 L
7 Suns Out Guns Out Ortiz I Jr 116 L
8 Raconteur Velasquez C 120 L
9 King and Crusader Luzzi M J 116 L
10 Side Road Garcia Alan 116 L
11 Done Talking Cohen D 116 L
12 Hansen Dominguez R A 123 Blk-Off L
13 Tiger Walk Castro E 116 L

ShadowRoll 02-29-2012 12:47 PM

I'd really like to go but I'm on the fence due to the chance for rain. The latest forecast says rainfall amounts near 0.3 inches. Assuming this is accurate, anyone have an idea on how whittled down the fields may be due to scratches? I'm only familiar with Delaware, where there's a slew of scratches when someone in the stands spills a beer.

Cannon Shell 02-29-2012 02:12 PM

Hansen-Blinkers off.

pucknut 03-01-2012 06:50 AM

i am holding out for the Wood
went 2 years ago the detioration of the race facility was mind numbing
i want to see if gambling revenue can save this landmark
plus i will novena for beter weather

tiggerv 03-01-2012 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ShadowRoll (Post 842024)
I'd really like to go but I'm on the fence due to the chance for rain. The latest forecast says rainfall amounts near 0.3 inches. Assuming this is accurate, anyone have an idea on how whittled down the fields may be due to scratches? I'm only familiar with Delaware, where there's a slew of scratches when someone in the stands spills a beer.

Looks like guaranteed rain at this point.

jms62 03-02-2012 09:54 AM

Looking at the Gotham and I am thinking it has 5 Digit Superfecta payoff written all over it.

Danzig 03-02-2012 10:29 AM

much as like hansen, i think this is where you try to beat the favorite. i agree that there could be big payouts.

northeastbound123 03-03-2012 03:42 PM

think Repole was having flashbacks from uncle mos race in the tom fool?

RockHardTen1985 03-03-2012 03:50 PM

Great race, they all ran well. Emcee is going to be pretty good.

RockHardTen1985 03-03-2012 04:05 PM

Whos more overbet in the Gotham, Hansen at 4-5 or My Adonis at 5-1? I think that horse is horrible, we will see right now though.

Dahoss 03-03-2012 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 842969)
Whos more overbet in the Gotham, Hansen at 4-5 or My Adonis at 5-1? I think that horse is horrible, we will see right now though.

You pretty much guaranteed that exacta after your continued stupidity.

cmorioles 03-03-2012 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 842971)
You pretty much guaranteed that exacta after your continued stupidity.

It really is uncanny.

The Bid 03-03-2012 05:15 PM

isn't that unreal. that kids the worst

Calzone Lord 03-03-2012 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 842969)
Whos more overbet in the Gotham, Hansen at 4-5 or My Adonis at 5-1? I think that horse is horrible, we will see right now though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGoVU...ature=youtu.be

RockHardTen1985 03-03-2012 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 843014)

use a better pic at least. that pic was 2 16hr doubles back to back with no sleep in between

Calzone Lord 03-03-2012 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 843024)
use a better pic at least. that pic was 2 16hr doubles back to back with no sleep in between

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4lNcFiIEwU

Danzig 03-03-2012 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 842971)
You pretty much guaranteed that exacta after your continued stupidity.

at least he is consistent!

Calzone Lord 03-03-2012 10:36 PM

95 Beyer for Hansen in victory. The time was considerably faster than It's Tricky ran in victory at the same distance earlier in the card ... but obviously you needed a variant split because the track was sealed for one race and opened up for the other.

Considering the figure maker had no other routes to work with -- he was probably a little too stingy with that 95.



These are lightly raced 3-year-olds ... 12 horses in this race made their previous start on a dirt surface ... and all 12 of them went backwards on Beyers from their last start.

To me, it's hard to justify giving this race anything less than a 98. Could even be as high as a 100.

Dahoss 03-03-2012 10:46 PM

I'm still not sold on him getting 10 furlongs the first Saturday in May, but rating like he did today will do wonders for Hansen. Before today he was basically a run off speed horse.

Nice training job by Maker and having Ramon obviously doesn't hurt.

Calzone Lord 03-03-2012 10:57 PM

Finally taking the blinkers off for the first time in his career helped him settle more than usual ... but I dunno Hossy, he still looked pretty aggressive to me.

I agree with you about the Derby. He certainly has the raw speed of a Derby winner..but all of the last 20 Derby winners except War Emblem and sometimes Funny Cide wouldn't get as aggressive as he does in the first few furlongs.

Dahoss 03-03-2012 11:58 PM

I hear ya. It's a work in progress I'm sure. He's still aggressive, but he seemed at least kind of comfortable sitting off the Dutrow horse.

pmayjr 03-04-2012 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 843194)
I'm still not sold on him getting 10 furlongs the first Saturday in May, but rating like he did today will do wonders for Hansen. Before today he was basically a run off speed horse.

Nice training job by Maker and having Ramon obviously doesn't hurt.

Did he rate, or did he just break a little less sharp than some and was caught wide? I'm not really sure what to think. But was a nice comeback performance regardless.

pba1817 03-04-2012 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 843192)

These are lightly raced 3-year-olds ... 12 horses in this race made their previous start on a dirt surface ... and all 12 of them went backwards on Beyers from their last start.

This is something I look back on when handicapping key races. What did the entire field do in comparison to their recent form. When you see stuff that doesn't add up, like all these going backwards in one of the biggest races of their short careers, it is virtually impossible.

Another thing I see often is horses who run their career high fig in a losing effort. What I have noticed is more times than not this means the race was too highly rated and these horses will bounce.

Sightseek 03-04-2012 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 843196)
Finally taking the blinkers off for the first time in his career helped him settle more than usual ... but I dunno Hossy, he still looked pretty aggressive to me.

I agree with you about the Derby. He certainly has the raw speed of a Derby winner..but all of the last 20 Derby winners except War Emblem and sometimes Funny Cide wouldn't get as aggressive as he does in the first few furlongs.

I thought he was going to be toast after the first turn.

Thunder Gulch 03-04-2012 08:20 AM

Whatever the figure, there 's little doubt Hansen has the speed to win the Derby and today's performance showed a new dimension that will serve him well. Whether he'll relax enough early is a huge question, but bottom line is that he has answered a lot more questions than most with 9 weeks to go.


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