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Kasept 01-29-2012 06:19 AM

Weekend Stakes Beyers
 
GP Holy Bull S (G3): Algorithms 98 (Bernardini) T. Pletcher/J. Castellano
GP Forward Gal S (G2): Broadway's Alibi 100 (Vindication) T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez
GP SunMill Classic S: Mucho Macho Man 100 (Macho Uno) K. Ritvo/R. Dominguez
GP SunMill Distaff S: Awesome Feather 96 (Awesome of Course) C. Brown/J. Sanchez
GP SunMill Filly and Mare Turf S: Hooh Why 93 (Cloud Hopping) S. Girten-Drake/J. Velazquez
GP SunMill Turf S: Little Mike 94 (Spanish Steps) D. Romans/J. Bravo
GP SunMill Sprint S: Soaring Stocks 94 (Trippi) T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez
GP SunMill Filly and Mare Sprint S: It's Me Mom 102 (Put It Back) L. Scace/W. Martinez
GP $100k OC/C (1m): Boys At Tosconova 99 (Officer) R. Dutrow/J. Castellano (Groupie Doll 98)
GP 3yo-MSW (7.5f): Quick Wit 81 (Sharp Humor) D. Romans/J. Leparoux
GP 3yo-OC/N1X (8.5f): El Padrino 100 (Pulpit) T. Pletcher/J. Castellano

SA Santa Monica S (G1): Home Sweet Aspen 90 (Candy Ride-ARG) J. Sadler/J. Rosario
SA Santa Ysabel S (G3): Willa B Awesome 87 (Awesome Gambler) W. Solis/M. Pedroza
SA Wishing Well S: Unzip Me - (City Zip) M. Jones/R. Bejarano
SA Sensational Star S: Compari 89 (Redattore-BRZ) M. Jones/M. Smith
SA Crystal Water S: Holladay Road 98 (Street Cry-IRE) J. Canani/R. Bejarano
SA Valentine Dancer S: Chokecherymary 87 (Capsized) G. Mandella/C. Nakatani

HOU John B. Connally Turf Cup S (G3): Papaw Bodie 89 (Strong Hope) M. Maker/R. Napravnik

LRL Dancing Count S: Beggarthyneighbor 81 (Half Ours) C. Brown/M. Franklin

AQU Affectionately S: Love and Pride 89 (A.P. Indy) T. Pletcher/C. Velasquez
AQU Evening Attire S: Redding Colliery 96 (Mineshaft) K. McLaughlin/A. Garcia
AQU 3yo-NY-MSW (6f): The Lumber Guy 90 (Grand Slam) M. Hushion/J. Valdivia

GG Albany S: Shudacudawudya 96 (Marino Marini) L. Maso/F. Duran

OP King Cotton S: Riley Tucker 97 (Harlan's Holiday) S. Asmussen/M. Berry

TP Forego S: Grand Daddy 90 (Johannesburg) T. Drury/J. Felix

Kasept 01-29-2012 06:36 AM

81 Beyer for Mike Bruder's MDN-breaking Quick Wit.

Romans trainee flatters Pletcher cruiser Spring Hill Farm who beat him by 6.5L 2 wks ago.

Calzone Lord 01-29-2012 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 834858)
81 Beyer for Mike Bruder's MDN-breaking Quick Wit.

Romans trainee flatters Pletcher cruiser Spring Hill Farm who beat him by 6.5L 2 wks ago.

Yep. IMO, the Beyer variant shouldn't have been split the day of the SHF and Quick Wit MSW race. A little too much human judgement perhaps.

Kasept 01-29-2012 06:38 PM

Algorithms 98

Broadway's Alibi 100

El Padrino 100

blackthroatedwind 01-29-2012 06:47 PM

The actual Saturday figs are 96 for Awesome Feather and 100 for Mucho Macho Man.

Indian Charlie 01-29-2012 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 835035)
Algorithms 98

Broadway's Alibi 100

El Padrino 100

The Holy Bull was kinda ugly.

At least the Godolphin colt ran huge.

cmorioles 01-30-2012 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 835043)
The actual Saturday figs are 96 for Awesome Feather and 100 for Mucho Macho Man.

Yes, though they use variants differing by 7 points.

Calzone Lord 01-30-2012 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 835091)
Yes, though they use variants differing by 7 points.

It's been kind of annoying how much that is happening without strong enough reason for it. Would you agree that the pace in the two Sunshine Million dirt routes was the reason -- not a change in the speed of the surface?

cmorioles 01-30-2012 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 835093)
It's been kind of annoying how much that is happening without strong enough reason for it. Would you agree that the pace in the two Sunshine Million dirt routes was the reason -- not a change in the speed of the surface?

Yes.

outofthebox 01-30-2012 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 835093)
It's been kind of annoying how much that is happening without strong enough reason for it. Would you agree that the pace in the two Sunshine Million dirt routes was the reason -- not a change in the speed of the surface?

The strangest split i ever came across beyer wise was the running of the '03 Smile and Carry Back stakes at Calder. Both winners Shake You Down and Valid Video both ran 1:10 03. and 1:10 15. respectively @ 45 minutes apart. Yet Shake You Down was given a 121 and Valid Video a 114 if my memory serves me well.

Danzig 01-30-2012 12:00 PM

i need to not scan names so quickly...i thought the one horse was named buggerthyneighbor!

Merlinsky 01-30-2012 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 835114)
i need to not scan names so quickly...i thought the one horse was named buggerthyneighbor!

;) If that's your problem, should make reading this interesting: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater George Takei's FB page. Always entertaining.

Danzig 01-30-2012 12:13 PM

i just scanned them quickly and thought, was that horse named buggerthyneighbor?? lol

i don't do facebook tho, but i might have to check it out if it's funny.


yeah, it got me too. on both.

DaTruth 02-01-2012 12:54 AM

Do you have the Beyer for Comisky's Honor, who broke Posse's 5f track record in Sunday's 4th race at Fair Grounds? Thanks.

Dahoss 02-01-2012 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 835531)
Do you have the Beyer for Comisky's Honor, who broke Posse's 5f track record in Sunday's 4th race at Fair Grounds? Thanks.

96...quite a number for a 10k maiden claimer.

DaTruth 02-01-2012 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 835532)
96...quite a number for a 10k maiden claimer.

Wow. For the sake of comparison, Comisky's Honor had a run-up of 50 feet in his race. Posse had no run-up. Thanks.

Indian Charlie 02-01-2012 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 835533)
Wow. For the sake of comparison, Comisky's Honor had a run-up of 50 feet in his race. Posse had no run-up. Thanks.

It's Humor, not Honor.

Just an FYI.

What kind of form did this horse have? That's pretty crazy shid.

Indian Charlie 02-01-2012 09:38 AM

From Dan Illman of DRF:

What do you make of COMISKY'S HUMOR's 96 Beyer effort in a $10,000 maiden claimer going five furlongs at Fair Grounds on January 29? Trained by Ron Faucheux, 3-year-old Comisky's Humor was beaten 10 3/4 lengths, with a 27 Beyer, in his career debut for $15,000 on January 6. Second-out, he romped by 14 lengths in gate-to-wire fashion. Comisky's Humor, a $14,000 RNA as a short yearling, sold for only $1,200 as a Keeneland yearling. By Sharp Humor out of the solid New York sprinter/router Lexiloush, Comisky's Humor's winning race was faster, on the Beyer scale, than the San Pedro Stakes (Midnight Transfer), Smarty Jones Stakes (Junebugred) and Gulfstream Park Derby (Reveron) earlier in the year. His Beyer was seven points quicker than what Hansen earned (89) when the juvenile champion of 2011 made his sophomore debut last week in the Holy Bull.

Calzone Lord 02-01-2012 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 835567)
Trained by Ron Faucheux,

This guy has been killing the world.

Indian Charlie 02-01-2012 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 835569)
This guy has been killing the world.

I figured it would be something either like that, or that this horse is out of a French Deputy mare.

Quantum Disciple 02-01-2012 10:14 AM

Any handicapper relying on Beyers in the year 2012 is at least ten years behind the times. I'll gladly keep taking your money with these juicy overlays. You just keep following Andy.

fpsoxfan 02-01-2012 10:21 AM

Troll alert!!!!!

Calzone Lord 02-01-2012 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 835570)
I figured it would be something either like that, or that this horse is out of a French Deputy mare.

A combo of both in this instance ...



The trainer is winning 42% with sprinters ... that'll make any $1,200 yearling out of a French Deputy mare look good.

I only wish I knew a little F'n French so I could properly pronounce this wizard trainers name...

BTW would nail this name. He even watches French movies.

Calzone Lord 02-01-2012 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quantum Disciple (Post 835574)
Any handicapper relying on Beyers in the year 2012 is at least ten years behind the times. I'll gladly keep taking your money with these juicy overlays. You just keep following Andy.

Glad to see we finally have a real handicapper around these parts.

Quantum Disciple 02-01-2012 10:31 AM

Thank you Calzone..as for the red sox fan (you have my sympathies)..No troll pal. I just know more than you. I have made it my business to know more than you. I am very successful in my business. 40 years and still well into the black. Listen and learn now that i'm here.

NTamm1215 02-01-2012 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quantum Disciple (Post 835585)
Thank you Calzone..as for the red sox fan (you have my sympathies)..No troll pal. I just know more than you. I have made it my business to know more than you. I am very successful in my business. 40 years and still well into the black. Listen and learn now that i'm here.

I knew today was going to be a special day. Now it's confirmed.

Calzone Lord 02-01-2012 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 835587)
I knew today was going to be a special day. Now it's confirmed.

I just hope the IP police can confirm this is a new one and not the same guy who taught Bobby Frankel how to train horses coming back under a different name.

Bigsmc 02-01-2012 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 835589)
I just hope the IP police can confirm this is a new one and not the same guy who taught Bobby Frankel how to train horses coming back under a different name.

Either way, Nick is right, this is a great day.

gamblin4ever 02-01-2012 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 835580)
A combo of both in this instance ...



The trainer is winning 42% with sprinters ... that'll make any $1,200 yearling out of a French Deputy mare look good.

I only wish I knew a little F'n French so I could properly pronounce this wizard trainers name...

BTW would nail this name. He even watches French movies.

It's also a jockey upgrade, Eramia vs J. Bridgmohan.

Quantum Disciple 02-01-2012 11:07 AM

Of course its a great day. For you. The QD will gladly share his knowledge and help bring you into the 21st century with his Quantum Handicapping. Of course I expect people will do what they do whenever a new boss arrives. The difference here is i'm not going to be your boss. I am not going to twist any arms. The QD is THE best and has been for better than 30 years.
You can listen and learn or you can keep giving me all these juicy overlays. The choice will be up to each individual handicapper. So hit the report button all you want. It won't rid me because I won't break any rules. I am just here to help.

Any Questions?
Class Dismissd!:mad:

Dahoss 02-01-2012 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quantum Disciple (Post 835595)
Of course its a great day. For you. The QD will gladly share his knowledge and help bring you into the 21st century with his Quantum Handicapping. Of course I expect people will do what they do whenever a new boss arrives. The difference here is i'm not going to be your boss. I am not going to twist any arms. The QD is THE best and has been for better than 30 years.
You can listen and learn or you can keep giving me all these juicy overlays. The choice will be up to each individual handicapper. So hit the report button all you want. It won't rid me because I won't break any rules. I am just here to help.

Any Questions?
Class Dismissd!:mad:

You've piqued my interest. What is Quantum Handicapping?

my miss storm cat 02-01-2012 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 835589)
I just hope the IP police can confirm this is a new one and not the same guy who taught Bobby Frankel how to train horses coming back under a different name.

This isn't Dixie... Dixie would have walked in like he owned the place.

He'd have an avatar (Coaltown, Affectionately, Hoist the Flag, Hail to Reason or the Beverly Hills Hotel), have filled out his profile and would have started his own thread thank you very much.

He wouldn't tell you how much he knows right off the bat... he'd call you (as in you in general, not you in particular) a moron and let you know how little you know first.

Quantum Disciple 02-01-2012 11:16 AM

Dixie, whoever that was couldn't carry the QD's racing form. Nobody can. Quantum Handicapping is the result of 40 years of research and development by the countrys foremost handicapper, myself. I have written a book which will be available shortly. It would take me years to teach you all Quantums but I suggest you follow what I say with keen interest. I will not be shy in letting you all SEE how a Quantum Handicapper thinks. I will also bring in the cornerstones of what makes Quantums as we go along. Be patient and don't be afraid to ask questions. Publicly or privately.

Dahoss 02-01-2012 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quantum Disciple (Post 835602)
Dixie, whoever that was couldn't carry the QD's racing form. Nobody can. Quantum Handicapping is the result of 40 years of research and development by the countrys foremost handicapper, myself. I have written a book which will be available shortly. It would take me years to teach you all Quantums but I suggest you follow what I say with keen interest. I will not be shy in letting you all SEE how a Quantum Handicapper thinks. I will also bring in the cornerstones of what makes Quantums as we go along. Be patient and don't be afraid to ask questions. Publicly or privately.

Very well. Just one question for now. Does the Quantum Handicapper like anything for today?

Quantum Disciple 02-01-2012 11:25 AM

The QD does not LIKE anything. The QD plays who is the most likely winner with the most value. He is also NOT a performer and will NOT regularly post picks. This would upset the delicate balance of Quantums which states "listen to nobody, look at nothing, and say nothing". Of course as we go along I will offer picks as they relate to certain topics being discussed concerning Quantums.

declansharbor 02-01-2012 11:28 AM

Anyone else have the feeling that QD is gonna fizzle out faster than Bind?

Dahoss 02-01-2012 11:28 AM

Okay, how about a brief explanation about what a quantum is? As an aside, I loved the show Quantum Leap. One of the more underrated shows of all time IMO.

If I'm asking too much, I apologize. I'm just eager to learn and I sense something special with you. You seem WAY smarter than most of the people that post here.

Calzone Lord 02-01-2012 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quantum Disciple (Post 835608)
The QD does not LIKE anything. The QD plays who is the most likely winner with the most value. He is also NOT a performer and will NOT regularly post picks. This would upset the delicate balance of Quantums which states "listen to nobody, look at nothing, and say nothing". Of course as we go along I will offer picks as they relate to certain topics being discussed concerning Quantums.

Riveting.

Maybe there are a few horses today who are morning line favorites and look vulnerable on Quantums?

Quantum Disciple 02-01-2012 11:38 AM

I am not smarter. Just more dedicated to what I do. TOTALY dedicated. I have been doing it since I was a child. I was THE boy wonder who kept getting better and better. To give you a taste of what Quantums is all about, I will give you a general formula with the 5 considerations.

Speed / Resistance / Fuel / Trip / Cycle

Quantum Disciple 02-01-2012 11:40 AM

Calzone, of course there are. Thats how the QD makes his living. Stay tuned and learn how he thinks.


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