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Riot 01-06-2012 04:45 PM

US Navy saves Iranian sailors from pirates
 
"US Navy Frees Iranians From Pirates - US to Iran 'How do you like them apples?"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...es?via=siderec

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In the last week or so the Iranian navy has repeatedly been boasting of its capabilities and threatening to attack the aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis if it attempts to pass through the Strait of Hormuz again. They've threatened to shut down all traffic of crude oil through the Strait, and Iran's parliament is debating a measure that would require the US Navy to get permission before passing through the international waterway.

Cue today's story

http://abcnews.go.com/...
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The U.S. Navy rescued more than a dozen Iranian sailors who had been held at sea by a band of pirates for weeks, the Pentagon announced today.

According to the military's account, an American helicopter from the destroyer USS Kidd "detected a suspected pirate skiff alongside" an Iranian-flagged fishing ship in the Arabian Sea Thursday. At the same time, the Iranian ship was able to send a distress call, claiming the ship was held by pirates.

American Navy sailors with a "visit, board, search and seizure team" then boarded the Iranian ship and were able to detain 15 suspected pirates and free the 13-member Iranian crew, the Pentagon said. A Navy Criminal Investigative Service agent on the scene, Josh Schminky, said the Iranian crew had been forced to help the pirates carry out operations and pirates had apparently been using the Iranian ship as a "mothership".

"When we boarded, we gave [the Iranians] food, water, and medical care," Schminky said in a Pentagon report. "They had been through a lot. We went out of our way to treat the fishing crew with kindness and respect."

Rear Admiral Craig Faller, commander of the nearby USS John C. Stennis, told ABC News the Iranians knew their rescuers were Americans and were "ecstatic" and "overjoyed" to be freed.


bigrun 01-06-2012 06:06 PM

The Iranian sailors left the ship with a hug and wearing USS Kidd caps...nice touch...:tro:

somerfrost 01-06-2012 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 829711)
The Iranian sailors left the ship with a hug and wearing USS Kidd caps...nice touch...:tro:

Again one must remember that our beef isn't with the Iranian people but their idiot government.

DaTruth 01-07-2012 01:10 AM

It is nice that we saved the Iranian fisherman. Too bad our Navy doesn't take a more aggressive approach against pirates preying on merchant vessels and pleasure craft.

Coach Pants 01-07-2012 05:26 AM

Well it's totally o.k. To bomb their country now.

Ocala Mike 01-07-2012 12:00 PM

US Navy saves Iranian sailors from pirates
 
Or, better still, have Israel do it. Some itchy trigger fingers with Iran squarely in their sights.


Ocala Mike

clyde 01-07-2012 12:26 PM

You fools...that Iranian Fishy Ship.




That is the Iranian Armada!!

Danzig 01-07-2012 12:29 PM

you'd think irans tremendous naval force could have saved their own folks-i mean, that juggernaut has enough force to keep us out of the gulf, to close the strait of hormuz...

anyway, glad they were rescued.

DaTruth 01-07-2012 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ocala Mike (Post 829821)
Or, better still, have Israel do it. Some itchy trigger fingers with Iran squarely in their sights.


Ocala Mike

Israel will do the dirty work, just like they did against Iraq in 1981.

Riot 01-07-2012 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 829762)
It is nice that we saved the Iranian fisherman. Too bad our Navy doesn't take a more aggressive approach against pirates preying on merchant vessels and pleasure craft.

:zz:

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Navy Seals kill Somali Pirates, Captain Richards Rescued
By LEE FERRAN
April 13, 2009

At least one former SEAL was not surprised that each of the three Somali pirates was killed with just one shot, despite the fact that they were on a rolling sea and the Navy snipers had to make a successful "head shot," something he said is "extremely difficult."

DaTruth 01-07-2012 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 829847)
:zz:

That definitely showed the pirates about who is boss. The only pirates that you see today are played by Johnny Depp. Of course, for those who elevate symbolism over long term results, taking out a few Somali pirates is sufficient.

Riot 01-07-2012 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 829860)
That definitely showed the pirates about who is boss. The only pirates that you see today are played by Johnny Depp. Of course, for those who elevate symbolism over long term results, taking out a few Somali pirates is sufficient.

I'm not sure why you say our navy doesn't aggressively go after pirates. Our navy aggressively patrols international waters off the coast of Africa and the Sea of Hormuz just to look for pirates, and aggressively engages them when found. The above isn't the only instance.

Why do you think we do not do that? It doesn't make sense. Our navy deliberately and aggressively goes after pirates constantly, they patrol certain international waters just to keep merchant vessels safe from pirates.

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U.S. Navy frees ship from suspected Indian Ocean pirates
PIRACY
March 06, 2011|By the CNN Wire Staff

The USS Bulkeley helped rescue an oil tanker in the Indian Ocean from suspected pirates on Saturday.

A U.S. Navy ship came to the rescue of an oil tanker in the Indian Ocean on Saturday after four suspected pirates climbed aboard.

The Japanese-owned MV Guanabara reported it was under attack Friday afternoon 328 nautical miles southeast of Oman, the Navy said. The Guanabara had 24 crew members aboard.

The warship USS Bulkeley, assigned to the Combined Maritime Forces' CTF-151 counter-piracy mission, was directed to intercept the Guanabara, supported by the Turkish warship TCG Giresun of NATO's counter-piracy task force.

After Guanabara's master confirmed to the Bulkeley that his crew had taken refuge in the ship's citadel room, or secure compartment, the Bulkeley's specialist boarding team climbed aboard Saturday, detained the four men and secured the vessel, the Navy said.

There was no exchange of fire at any time during the operation, and an SH-60 Seahawk helicopter supported the boarding team from the air, the Navy added.

Officials said they are still deciding what to do with the suspected pirates. The U.S. Navy did not disclose the nationalities of those detained or where they were being taken.

"Through our mutual cooperation and shared coordination, CTF-151 and our partner organizations has prevented the kidnapping of legitimate mariners who sought only to go peacefully about their business," said CMF's counter-piracy commander, Commodore Abdul Alheem. "Today, there will be a merchant ship sailing freely that would not be doing so were it not for the efforts of CTF-151."

The Combined Maritime Forces is a naval partnership of 25 member nations including the United States that works to disrupt piracy and armed robbery and improve security in international waters off the Middle East.

DaTruth 01-07-2012 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 829863)
I'm not sure why you say our navy doesn't aggressively go after pirates. Our navy aggressively patrols international waters off the coast of Africa and the Sea of Hormuz just to look for pirates, and aggressively engages them when found. The above isn't the only instance.

Why do you think we do not do that? It doesn't make sense. Our navy deliberately and aggressively goes after pirates constantly, they patrol certain international waters just to keep merchant vessels safe from pirates.

So our navy aggressively goes after pirates, yet sea piracy remains a huge problem for merchant and pleasure vessels off the coast of Africa and the Sea of Hormuz? That doesn't say much about our navy, as well as the naval forces of other world powers, does it?

Riot 01-07-2012 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 829866)
So our navy aggressively goes after pirates, yet sea piracy remains a huge problem for merchant and pleasure vessels off the coast of Africa and the Sea of Hormuz? That doesn't say much about our navy, as well as the naval forces of other world powers, does it?

Kinda like how police departments across the country aggressively go after criminals, but yet, criminals remain. Guess our police departments suck. If they were any good, all the criminals would be gone.

Danzig 01-07-2012 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 829866)
So our navy aggressively goes after pirates, yet sea piracy remains a huge problem for merchant and pleasure vessels off the coast of Africa and the Sea of Hormuz? That doesn't say much about our navy, as well as the naval forces of other world powers, does it?

i think it's strait of hormuz, oman sea...at any rate, there's a lot of ocean out there. we don't have our fleet out there at all times; that would be impossible.
typically a ship does a six month cruise in a 3 year period. they have shorter times at sea at other times. but saltwater and time at sea is hard on a ship-they have to re-fit, perform maintenance, and of course you have to take the sailors into consideration.
so, take the number of ships and do the math to see how often a portion is at sea. also consider that a part of that number is assigned to a carrier to form a battle group-they sail when she sails. that group in turn is part of a fleet-the fifth in bahrain for example. and of course part of each fleet is submarines.
so, take that number, and then look at the sheer amount of water to be covered. it's a difficult task. we're spread thin, with plenty of places we have to patrol.

DaTruth 01-07-2012 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 829878)
Kinda like how police departments across the country aggressively go after criminals, but yet, criminals remain. Guess our police departments suck. If they were any good, all the criminals would be gone.

I don't know why I even bother responding to you, oh mistress of propaganda.

DaTruth 01-07-2012 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 829908)
i think it's strait of hormuz, oman sea...at any rate, there's a lot of ocean out there. we don't have our fleet out there at all times; that would be impossible.
typically a ship does a six month cruise in a 3 year period. they have shorter times at sea at other times. but saltwater and time at sea is hard on a ship-they have to re-fit, perform maintenance, and of course you have to take the sailors into consideration.
so, take the number of ships and do the math to see how often a portion is at sea. also consider that a part of that number is assigned to a carrier to form a battle group-they sail when she sails. that group in turn is part of a fleet-the fifth in bahrain for example. and of course part of each fleet is submarines.
so, take that number, and then look at the sheer amount of water to be covered. it's a difficult task. we're spread thin, with plenty of places we have to patrol.

I copied sea of Hormuz from Riot. You know that she is always right. :D

The U.S. Navy either goes after pirates aggressively or it doesn't. I don't think it does. We don't need naval vessels to track suspected pirates; we can depend on our eyes in the sky to do that. It isn't like the pirates are taking over vessels and disappearing, as they are holding the vessels and crew captive for ransom, although in one instance they killed Americans as retaliation for a pirate receiving a lengthy prison sentence.

Who knows why we don't treat sea piracy as seriously as we should. Our government doesn't take our illegal immigration problem as seriously as it should either, so why should I expect it to devote the resources and personnel to a problem a world away.

Riot 01-07-2012 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 829944)

The U.S. Navy either goes after pirates aggressively or it doesn't. I don't think it does.

Who knows why we don't treat sea piracy as seriously as we should.

You don't "think" the US Navy goes after pirates aggressively? You don't "think" we treat sea piracy seriously? Fine.

Got any, you know, actual evidence for that opinion? Or is it true just because you think it? Why do you think we do not do that?

We are part of a 25-nation anti-sea piracy organization, with some of our naval troops devoted to this international cause. So please, tell us why your opinion has any basis in example. Because you just saying it doesn't make it true.

And don't get me wrong: I'm not saying your opinion is wrong or not true. I'm just saying it doesn't seem to be backed by any obvious evidence. As I asked you before, why do you hold that opinion?

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Our government doesn't take our illegal immigration problem as seriously as it should either,
Yeah. More illegals have been kicked out in the past three years than in the entirely of the Bush administration.

Danzig 01-07-2012 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 829944)
I copied sea of Hormuz from Riot. You know that she is always right. :D

The U.S. Navy either goes after pirates aggressively or it doesn't. I don't think it does. We don't need naval vessels to track suspected pirates; we can depend on our eyes in the sky to do that. It isn't like the pirates are taking over vessels and disappearing, as they are holding the vessels and crew captive for ransom, although in one instance they killed Americans as retaliation for a pirate receiving a lengthy prison sentence.

Who knows why we don't treat sea piracy as seriously as we should. Our government doesn't take our illegal immigration problem as seriously as it should either, so why should I expect it to devote the resources and personnel to a problem a world away.

well, for one, it's not a priority for us. honestly, have the pirates really affected americans? i don't think they have. in the grand scheme of things, i'd imagine it's far down our list of things to do. those countries affected more have capabilities to go over there-it doesn't seem high on their list either.
like i showed above, we do have limited resources. we have to choose which battles to fight.
obviously if we had a naval presence right there, the pirates would stay on shore. once we leave, they'd be back out there. and we've got plenty of other things to handle as well.

as for illegal immigration, we've had that discussion on here before. and that all comes down to money. unless someone is paying cash under the table, it's not a big issue for the feds. social security benefits from all the money flowing in from undocumented workers and their employers-but they'll never collect that, will they? now, give them citizenship-and you've got future collectors. it's all about the money. it's always about the money.

Riot 01-07-2012 06:59 PM

I guess it's just that if the actuality doesn't feed the preconceived idea, you ignore it.
-----------------
Deportations from the United States increased by more than 60 percent from 2003 to 2008, with Mexicans accounting for nearly two-thirds of those deported.

Under the Obama administration, deportations have increased to record levels beyond the level reached by the George W. Bush administration with a projected 400,000 deportations in 2010, 10 percent above the deportation rate of 2008 and 25 percent above 2007.

Fiscal year 2011 saw 396,906 deportations, the largest number in the history of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Of those, 216,698 had been convicted of crimes, including:

* 44,653 convicted of "drug-related crimes"
* 35,927 convicted of driving under the influence
* 5,848 aliens convicted of sexual offenses
* 1,119 convicted of homicide

dellinger63 01-09-2012 01:46 PM

We risked American troops and spent American money to save Iranian fishermen? :zz:

jms62 01-09-2012 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 830315)
We risked American troops and spent American money to save Iranian fishermen? :zz:

Del I would hope that Iranian Navy would also save any countries innocent civilians from Pirates including ours.

Riot 01-09-2012 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 830315)
We risked American troops and spent American money to save Iranian fishermen? :zz:

Yes, Dell. We participate the 25-nation anti-piracy patrol, patrolling international waters with those other member nations. That benefits American ships, too. You should thank those other nations for looking out for your azz.

Danzig 01-09-2012 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 830325)
Del I would hope that Iranian Navy would also save any countries innocent civilians from Pirates including ours.

:tro:


all ships must answer distress calls if they are in the vicinity. of course that might not include piracy. i'd imagine the iranian captives didn't care whose flag was flying from the mast, they're just happy to be home. well, i guess they're happy to be home. at least i'm sure they were happy to be rescued.

i think merchant shipping might consider hiring some armed guards for their vessels in that region. a couple of .50 cals in the right spot, and in the right hands, would nip piracy in the bud.

dagolfer33 01-11-2012 08:42 AM

I heard a rumor that most pirates, as well as rap and hip-hop stars, are democrats. Again, just a rumor I heard.

clyde 01-11-2012 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 830334)
Yes, Dell. We participate the 25-nation anti-piracy patrol, patrolling international waters with those other member nations. That benefits American ships, too. You should thank those other nations for looking out for your azz.


It's funny, the US ships seem to have vastly better pirate finding equipment than those other 24.


So very odd.

dellinger63 01-11-2012 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 830334)
Yes, Dell. We participate the 25-nation anti-piracy patrol, patrolling international waters with those other member nations. That benefits American ships, too. You should thank those other nations for looking out for your azz.

You're so clueless you're dangerous.

Bahrain, Jordan, Greece, Kuwait, Pakistan, UAE and Turkey? They are somehow looking out for my azz?

Riot 01-11-2012 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 830754)
You're so clueless you're dangerous.

Bahrain, Jordan, Greece, Kuwait, Pakistan, UAE and Turkey? They are somehow looking out for my azz?

Why don't you fake-author an article on it? Here, use some facts:

http://www.icc-ccs.org/index.php?opt...map&Itemid=219

Don't forget Sweden and India. England. Of course, you're so clueless, you're dangerous. Seriously? Does your ignorance and childish insult have a point? Yeah, other countries help protect your azz. Get over it. You're so astounded? Get over it. Welcome to reality. You don't like or trust Muslims or any foreigners? You don't like spending any money? You hate the government taking your tax dollars? Yes, we get that. You have spent years here whining about the results gained by your tax dollars, all the while refusing to give up any of the benefits you get from that. Let alone realize that your tax dollars enables your freedom to whine. Your whining now about American tax dollars saving lives shows how isolationist, selfish and silly you are.

dagolfer33 01-11-2012 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dagolfer33 (Post 830703)
I heard a rumor that most pirates, as well as rap and hip-hop stars, are democrats. Again, just a rumor I heard.

.... Some are from Mississippi as well, such as the legendary country band, Pirates of the Mississippi.

dellinger63 01-12-2012 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 830779)
Why don't you fake-author an article on it? Here, use some facts:

http://www.icc-ccs.org/index.php?opt...map&Itemid=219

Don't forget Sweden and India. England. Of course, you're so clueless, you're dangerous. Seriously? Does your ignorance and childish insult have a point? Yeah, other countries help protect your azz. Get over it. You're so astounded? Get over it. Welcome to reality. You don't like or trust Muslims or any foreigners? You don't like spending any money? You hate the government taking your tax dollars? Yes, we get that. You have spent years here whining about the results gained by your tax dollars, all the while refusing to give up any of the benefits you get from that. Let alone realize that your tax dollars enables your freedom to whine. Your whining now about American tax dollars saving lives shows how isolationist, selfish and silly you are.

Your extreme inability or desire to survive without coveting others possessions is disgusting. Realizing the top half of taxpayers pay 97% of the total personal income tax and wanting even more is beyond selfish it’s financial anal rape. The underlying proviso you seem unable to waver from is financial success in this country is not created by hard work or even for that matter a well put-together, business-plan. But rather is achieved through cheating and or luck usually at the expense of others.

Personally I’m sick of the hypocritical babble you have so ignorantly championed over the last few years. There was not one single program or expense made under Obama you were not 100% behind that is until the Occupy crowd showed up. At that point, the loan to soon to be bankrupt Solyndra, became fraudulent with this administration somehow duped. Yet no complaints as to the lack of any prosecution and tonight instead of which Solyndra officer(s) may go to jail for fraud we’re deciding whether they will get bonuses first, under the bankruptcy agreement. How about reimbursing the American taxpayer its $500 million, first, even if it’s only $3.35 per taxpayer? Better us than the fraudulent officers? Right? Mr. President? Mr. Holder?

Pre Occupy you cheered for every stimulus and bailout ever put forth by this spend now/pay later White House on the misconception and fantasy every dollar spent came back with a sixty percent return. Even if it went to failed banks and failing automotive companies for example.

Post Occupy you are now vehemently opposed to corporate influence on our politicians but somehow you are able to stick your head in the sand with the hypocritical elusion the corporations, banks and mortgage companies who received bailout money courtesy of Obama & Co. are not the corporations, banks and mortgage companies targeted by OWS.

Pre-Occupy your enthusiasm for spend now/pay later came through loud and clear when you gave a standing ovation for the hundreds of billions that was borrowed and signed for, by the American taxpayer and then forwarded to States to pay for teachers, firemen and policemen.

Post Occupy the police were thugs and needed to be locked up.

You believed the President when he said we couldn’t afford not to let the Bush tax cuts expire yet did the happy dance when he cut the payroll tax, taxes that are ‘intended’ to finance SS and Medicare but are really deposited and spent out of the General Fund with IOU’s deposited in a trust fund. (Similar to a parent raiding their child’s piggy bank of its college savings and replacing the money with IOU notes, then blowing it on a night on the town, buying strangers drinks.)

You post endlessly of any minor allegation made against a State Governor yet hypocritically ignore a Federal agency that furnishes weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels. Not to mention said weapons were used to kill another government employee, whose job coincidently in part consists of fighting those same cartels, and we have an attorney general who pleas clueless and a President who thinks it was unfortunate.

The political ploy and con-job of spending to prevent going bankrupt deployed and carried out during the past three years had one major flaw. Spending for just the sake of spending, especially on things like giving away billions to less than stellar allies, (Pakistan and Egypt) does nothing but add debt. Spending as in carrying Fannie and Freddie is a loss. Government does not need any more money to throw away. It needs to deal with the fact the private sector can do far more, far better, for far less, whether it be education, healthcare, transportation, construction, administration or even getting a letter delivered via-email! They also need to allow corporations and banks to sink or swim without interference based on some delusional theory something is too big to fail. The only thing further from the truth would be the belief something is too small to succeed.

The only mitigating factor going for the President is because he has virtually zero business/financial experience professionally, sans perhaps a childhood Indonesian lemonade stand, his lack of financial sense can be partially dismissed. .

The reduction of government needs to be executed as a diet/exercise plan would. Starting is the hardest part but once we get moving it gets easier. Bad habits, like being involved with failing companies or giving away money to countries including one that housed bin-Laden need to be avoided. Hell with 140 million taxpayers and families cheering it on, ‘we can do it’ and instead of making momma proud. We can make our grandchildren proud.

And to think if the $3 billion given to Pakistan and Egypt had been distributed evenly between each taxpayer, each would have received just over $20 bucks. In media speech ‘by tossing the money to the mid east this President denied pizza night for over 149 million families.’

Go look at the National Debt and how it’s going up year by year during both W. Bush and Obama and realize where we are headed if we continue to live with a government who does business under a quid pro quo structure and system.

BTW For some reason an odd sense of compassion, likely imbedded by Jesuits many years ago, exists for people like Riot as it must be terribly ugly to live life suffocating with overwhelming feelings of envy and disenfranchisement from the American Dream. A life void of self-reliance and consumed with government reliance. This is obviously the same train of thought behind it taking a village to raise a child rather than two parents. But I suppose at least in Riot’s case it gives her the false impression of a brotherhood with other groups/cultures that similarly perceive themselves as disenfranchised. It’s likely a contributing factor in her love of all things Muslim and of course for the Occupy Wall Street folks.

Riot 01-12-2012 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 831104)
Your extreme inability or desire to survive without coveting others possessions is disgusting.

Wow. Gigantic fail. It's a shame that your angry, victim-laden mind has to create fantasies in order to try and justify your silly, selfish, ignorant, bigoted and hate-filled views. But creating imaginings about people you know nothing about is precisely what bigots do.

I think you should take your little rant to your psychologist at your next visit. It seems rather ripe with self-loathing revelation.

You know, if you go out into your backyard, and spray vinegar at the sky, you can make the "chemtrails" disappear. It works every time!


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