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Does Sanchez always look disinterested when they are losing? He sure looked it today. Unlike my pathetic Bills the Fins have heart. Too bad Jason Taylors TD didnt hold up.

ateams new year just went bad..

It was a moot point, the Titans won.

It was a moot point except your QB looked terrible again, your offensive line was shaky, your vaunted defense gave up a 21 play, lead changing drive to a team playing without its best player (Jake Long), best RB and a banged up WR. Add to that LT is probably going to retire, one of your captains finished the game pouting on the bench and you just lost to a 6-10 team when you absolutely had to win.

But hey they did cover the spread

Definitely not mine Chuck, I root for the other residents of the swamp. But yes,they definitely have some issues. I'm expecting some sort of overhaul on the entire offensive side (including coaches).

Some issues is putting it nicely. They are an absolute mess. I'm just glad I decided not to watch the game. Saved me a lot of frustration.

I guess it could be worse though. It's not like Jets fans are flying banners over the stadium calling for the firing of the GM.....yet.

Oh **** I'm sorry.

it seems like Sanchez is a stiff, thus must go before anything changes. RGIII would be a perfect fit.

The QB is not an NFL QB, hes not. The coach is all talk, all talk. He does his BS and other coaches keep there mouths shut and win Championships. Start with replacing those 2, then you need another RB. Then the D needs to get younger. Other then that they are OK.

The irony here is priceless.

I certainly can't defend what Sanchez did this season because he was awful. But he was the QB on a team that won 4 road playoff games in his first two seasons.

He's no Tim Tebow, but he's an NFL QB.

The Ryan brothers are attention whores. So is Tebow. Tebow is in the early stages of being the media darling. Rex was there a few years ago. Then his brother was crowbarred in with that press conference deal.

The only real difference between the Ryan brothers and Tebow is that the Ryan boys are heathens and Tebow is JC Superstar.

Defense and ground game won those games, and we both know at this point the D is old and you need at least 1 more RB. Gotta replace the production from LT and Jones.

Rex sticking with Sanchez should be his demise. That offense was laughably stagnant. How in the WORLD is Schottenheimer even being mentioned as a head coach candidate?! He BLOWS, Pettine would make the better HC, imo. I hope they turn it around next year, bc they ended this season like a bag of dog $hit

Thanks captain obvious.

Its not just your team... My team needs a RB, a deep threat and a lot on D. We have the coach and QB though. Thats the difference.

I seem to recall the Jets knocking out the Pats...at home in the playoffs last season with their second rate Coach and QB.

We'll see what happens in the off season. I figured you'd like Rex Ryan. All of his talking kind of reminds me of yours.

You guys did beat us, congrats. Bad loss for NE, still hurts. Super Bowls though, Sanchez wont get you 1.

I think Rex's problem is that he doesn't get involved enough with the offense. They were down 10-7 at the half against the Giants in a half where they were moving the ball on the ground. Rex needed to mandate that they stay with the ground and pound. It just seem like he doesn't focus or use his input on the offensive side of the ball at all. I thought I heard him say this morning that he didn't even realize why Santonio was on he bench.

I still believe that Sanchez can be an effective QB in the league. Between his comeback performances (last year) and his playoff success, there's just too much good there to dismiss. I'm not saying that he wasn't bad (downright awful) at times, but it doesn't rest solely on his shoulders. The offensive line was horrendous and the kid was running for his life many times back there. Also the drops, balls taken of helmets and tips for interceptions didn't help his case either.

It's funny, cause around the NY area there have been a few articles planting the seeds about them getting Peyton Manning. Really, what do these people think he would be able to do behind that line?

The off season is going to be interesting because I'm thinking there could be a major overhaul on the offensive side of the ball. They need to upgrade the line. Not sure what's going to happen at the reciever position. I guess I could see Braylon Edwards coming back to replace Plax who will probably bolt. But how is Ryan and the organization going to handle the Holmes situation? Was his bad season just a by-product of a bad offense or is it a case of him getting his payday? I would give him the benifit of the doubt, but I'm thinking his actions yesterday might have left a bad taste in the mouth of many of his teamates.

Then there is the defense. If Leonard comes back, their in pretty decent shape. I do think it's time to end the Bart Scott era, maybe I'm wrong but he seemed invisible out there many times this season. So if they can acquire a MLB and maybe draft/sign a pass rusher they should be in pretty decent shape. Obviously at times they struggled, but also due to the ineptness of the offense they were forced in to being on the field for long periods of time (not to mention trying to defend very bad field position).

They definitey looks like their plate is full for this offseason.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/N...meeting-010212

Take this with a grain of salt as I am obviously biased but the shelf life of a team's continuity isn't long when the head coach feels the need to constantly stroke their collective ego. There are far too many players in the NFL who are successful because they buy into the scheme and team concept despite having less than overwhelming talent. The teams like the Jets are emotionally fragile because they have too many primadonnas and when they have adversity and feel the pressure they fall apart and start pointing fingers and making excuses. Rex had them believing that they were underrated and overlooked for two years, that people didnt believe. That only works for so long.

Sorry for the Dr Phil analysis.

he'd probably rather stroke their feet....

seriously tho, the ego's of most nfl athletes doesn't need help. nothing helps a team more than a lot of hard work...and a good coach.

Glad your perpetual 6-10 team won its Super Bowl again, Chuck. Should be comforting.

Sanchez will be fine once Schitty is toast and they bring Braylon back. Let's not forget that Drew Brees had to be benched in his third season when Schitty was his QB coach. It's fashionable to dump on Rex now, but the guy has been wildly successful for a rookie head coach thus far. Every franchise in the country going through a championship drought would sign up for what Rex has given us in his first three years. They had a bad year and have to get a lot of things corrected, but I'm way happier with Tannenbaum/Rex/Sanchez than I've ever been with a Jet GM/HC/QB in my life.

Glad to see you are still a delusional Jet fan. Braylon Edwards? Wow.

Yeah, he never made any big plays for us. Brandon Marshall's really changed things for the Jimmy Buffetts. Hopefully another one of our assistants doesn't turn down your head coaching job.

Brandon Marshall versus Braylon Edwards? You are kidding right? Are you seriously going to say that the lack of Braylon Edwards was a factor in the Jets collapse? Really?

I would be glad to discuss Miami's issues if anyone would be interested. Unlike you I understand that my team has some holes to fill that wont be solved by a B-level WR but hey we still managed to beat your team again.

I realize it sounds silly, but I agree not having Braylon was a factor. Was it as big a factor as having an ineffective offensive line? Of course not.

Was it as big a factor as the defense underperforming? Again, of course not. But Braylon made a lot of big plays when it mattered. That was something that was missing from the Jets for a majority of the season. No one stepped up with a big play when the team desperately needed someone to.

I don't think having Braylon there this season would have off set their flaws, but it might have made them not so apparent.

As a Dolphin fan, you may have been asleep the last two Decembers and Januarys, but Braylon was an enormous part of our success. He gets dogged because of his off-field issues and his disappearance this season, but he's a legitimate deep threat when healthy, which we lacked completely this year. Are you saying that Sanchez and Schottenheimer suddenly forgot how to throw passes further than 20 yards? No, we just had nobody who could get separation downfield. It hurts every facet of the offense, particularly the running game.

You'll have to point out where I said our only issue was not having Braylon. But that's only if you want to stop having straw man arguments. The Jets have several issues, but I think anybody with a brain would say we're still a hell of a lot closer to a Super Bowl than your miserable team. Like I said, congrats on winning your yearly championship. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Are we talking about the same Braylon Edwards? The guy who led the league in drops? The guy that a playoff team lacking in WR depth cut? The guy that is always hurt? The team decided to grab a guy out of jail as opposed to him, Braylon Edwards? The guy with the bad knee that every team in the NFL just passed on?

When did Braylon Edwards turn into Larry Fitzgerald? He had a few big catches but seriously was a non-factor far more often. Hard to believe that him being there as opposed to Burress would have made a big difference. If you said that Woody and Faneca's replacements obviously were a downgrade I guess that would make sense. I'm just surprised that more isnt made of that.

Braylon Edwards YPC 2010: 17.1
Jets' leading WR in YPC 2011: 13.6 (Plax)

He has his faults, but we simply didn't have a vertical passing attack without him. It was a big loss.

Really? Where was all this Braylon love before? He caught 50 something passes last year. Are you forgetting that it didnt matter if Bob Hayes was running open 50 yards downfield when the QB was often running from the pass rush as opposed to finding receivers?
You pointed out Edwards and the O coordinator. Thats it. I was working off of your inane comments that if they had a different coordinator and Braylon Edwards that things would have been different. That is the pie in the sky argument.

The Jets went into the tank this season and have lost their identity. That much is obvious to those without green colored glasses. Lashing out at me doesnt change that. Being all defensive just makes you look like a homer.

Well get your super bowl tickts for next year!!! Surely Mr Edwards will be available?

I didn't say it was a major factor and I certainly didn't compare him to Larry Fitzgerald. You even admitted he had a few big catches. That's all I was getting at.

Considering one of the guys they signed (Mason) to replace Braylon didn't even make it halfway through the season, I think the Jets missed him.

I agree the offensive line replacements were downgrades. It's part of the reason Sanchez struggled IMO. When you get around 3 seconds to find a receiver it's tough to be effective.

Oh jeez, with the 'identity' bullshit. This isn't CSI. They didn't play well this year, period. They had several issues. But not having a receiver like Braylon was, without a doubt, one of them.

Way to refute my point.

Just curious.

If Edwards was so valuable why did they run him out of town? He said he preferred to stay and only signed for 1M? They didn't want him this year, what makes you think they would want him back.

Of course Edwards was hurt most of the season so it might have been a moot point anyway. I just think that the Jets were set up to fail this year because they actually believed themselves to be better than they thought they were despite issues (Mason, O-line, lack of quality depth, offensive scheme) which falls on Rex. It isnt that they arent a good team or talented team, just one that wasnt as good as the press clippings and Rex made them out to be.

A question that should be asked is why were they millions below the cap when having some obvious need areas?

Yeah well when your offense and defense are fighting, your QB and captain WR are having fights in meetings and that same captain quits on the team in full view of the entire world...well???

Supposedly because of off-field issues and him being a locker room diva. But I'd argue that Santonio is an even bigger diva. I don't know if they're going to bring him back, but I'd like to see it happen.

Your point was fairly pointless. Holmes led the league in YPC a few years ago. Is he crippled now? Why are you always so defensive? It isnt like i'm breaking down your fantasy team?

It means Santonio is a dipshit. I don't know what that has to do with your 'identity' comment. For someone who hates the overstating of intangibles, I'm surprised you'd use such a meaningless term.

This is what you do. You're dead wrong about things you barely know anything about, and then you act like I'm the one who is out of line because I tell you you're wrong. You're just trolling. I agreed with you that Braylon was far from the only missing piece, but said you were understating his importance, backing it up with numbers. What else do you want me to say?